If you get rid of guns, this man would be alive? No. Had he or his girlfriend had a gun, he might still be alive.

Then why have them shitbird?

What purpose do they serve fool?

Alec Baldwin is an actor. Try reality.


I derive great pleasure in looking at them. Some are works of art. Some are mechanical masterpieces, some are historically significant.

Those that I shoot provide hours of quality entertainment, both as a form of meditation, and honing my accuracy.

Unlike you, I actually DO things.
 
I derive great pleasure in looking at them. Some are works of art. Some are mechanical masterpieces, some are historically significant.

Those that I shoot provide hours of quality entertainment, both as a form of meditation, and honing my accuracy.

Unlike you, I actually DO things.
Yeah, I like the challenge of hitting the target center mass consistently. And it is relaxing.
 
What kind of an idiot thinks that he can talk sense to some subhuman destroying scooters at 4AM in Brooklyn?
The media say he was an idealistic activist.

Sadly, he did not realize that you simply cannot reason with certain folks.
 
The media say he was an idealistic activist.

Sadly, he did not realize that you simply cannot reason with certain folks.
"Idealistic activists" got his ass killed, didn't he? Stupid sonofabitch.

Putting aside that he is a stupid Moon Bat why didn't he take a cab or Uber home?

Being on the streets in the Negro section of New York at 4:00 in the morning walking around with a White chick in a "fuck me" gown has to be the dumbest thing anybody could do.

I am not surprised the idiot got killed. I am just surprise the dumbass chick didn't get raped.
 
And yet you fail to link to them.......so, asshole, we will wait to see your link so we can, once again, show you how full of crap your "stats," are.
Linked thousands of times to the same response.

Stupidity.

But to feed your stupidity...


Since I've done your work I expect a specific quote and reference to ALL of these links.
 
Shit stain.....I listed a whole bunch of people who used their guns to save their lives.....and that happens about 1.1 million times a year......those people would tell you you have no idea what the Fuck you are talking about....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)


2021 national firearm survey, Prof. William English, PhD. designed by Deborah Azrael of Harvard T. Chan School of public policy, and Mathew Miller, Northeastern university.......1.67 million defensive uses annually.

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

2021 national firearms survey..

The survey was designed by Deborah Azrael of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, and Matthew Miller of Northeastern University,
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The survey further finds that approximately a third of gun owners (31.1%) have used a firearm to defend themselves or their property, often on more than one occasion, and it estimates that guns are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million incidents per year. Handguns are the most common firearm employed for self-defense (used in 65.9% of defensive incidents), and in most defensive incidents (81.9%) no shot was fired. Approximately a quarter (25.2%) of defensive incidents occurred within the gun owner's home, and approximately half (53.9%) occurred outside their home, but on their property. About one out of ten (9.1%) defensive gun uses occurred in public, and about one out of twenty (4.8%) occurred at work.
2021 National Firearms Survey

Clinton's study by the DOJ....

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

Applying those restrictions leaves 19 NSPOF respondents (0.8 percent of the sample), representing 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known estimate of Kleck and Gertz, shown in the last column of exhibit 7. While the NSPOF estimate is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. Inclusion of multiple DGUs reported by half of the 19 NSPOF respondents increases the estimate to 4.7 million DGUs.



n the third column of Table 6.2, we apply the Kleck and Gertz (1995) criteria for "genuine" DGUs (type A), leaving us with just 19 respondents. They represent 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known Kleck and Gertz estimate of 2.5 million, shown in the last

While ours is smaller, it is staistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. to the when we include the multiple DGUs victim. defensive reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 milli

While ours is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference petrator; in most cases (69 percent), the is due to sampling error. Note that when we include the multiple DGUs reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 million DGUs.
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As shown in Table 6.6, the defender fired his or her gun in 27 percent of these incidents (combined "fire warning shots" and "fire at perpetrator" percentages, though some respondents reported firing both warning shots and airning at the perpetrator). Forty percent of these were "warning shots," and about a third were aimed at the perpetrator but missed. The perpetrator was wounded by the crime victim in eight percent of all DGUs. In nine percent of DGUs the victim captured and held the perpetrator at gunpoint until the police could arrive.

Obama's study...

Defensive Use of Guns

Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed (Cook and Ludwig, 1996; Kleck, 2001a). Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010).
National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. 2013. Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press. Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | The National Academies Press.

Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | The National Academies Press
Selected studies using selected data is invalid.

The source for all of that data?
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The only thing guns do well is kill innocent people.
 
I derive great pleasure in looking at them. Some are works of art. Some are mechanical masterpieces, some are historically significant.

Those that I shoot provide hours of quality entertainment, both as a form of meditation, and honing my accuracy.

Unlike you, I actually DO things.
What a load of crap.

Do something?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You've done NOTHING but post crap on this site since 8:00 AM today.

That's 4 posts each and every hour.

Do seething?

Maybe here...

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But actual factual reality says you're some Keyboard Kommando living in his Mama's garage because they won't let your unemployed 50 year old fat ass in the house anymore.
 
Linked thousands of times to the same response.

Stupidity.

But to feed your stupidity...


Since I've done your work I expect a specific quote and reference to ALL of these links.


And they are all bullshit...but thanks for giving us the fake crap so we can rebutt it.......
 
Linked thousands of times to the same response.

Stupidity.

But to feed your stupidity...


Since I've done your work I expect a specific quote and reference to ALL of these links.


Your very first link....criminals in possession of guns getting shot by other criminals.....during the commision of crime or living the criminal life....

From that link....the big clue how they came by their stats....

Our control participants were, however, significantly more unemployed than the general population.

Good for you....
 
Linked thousands of times to the same response.

Stupidity.

But to feed your stupidity...


Since I've done your work I expect a specific quote and reference to ALL of these links.


Second study....women living with criminals.....and drug addicts, and alcoholics....

But......for some reason they did not specify the criminal status of any of their cohort, or their drug or alcohol abuse status...

That's kinda important information....but it would have wrecked their study.....

 
Linked thousands of times to the same response.

Stupidity.

But to feed your stupidity...


Since I've done your work I expect a specific quote and reference to ALL of these links.


None of your links show criminal history, drug or alcohol abuse history....marital status, of the people involved....so what you have here are studies targeting the worst of the worst people in order to push an agenda.........

How about normal people who own guns, people without criminal records, drug abuse or alcohol abuse...won't find those in your studies...because the factor that causes homicide isn't the gun, it is the criminal the woman has shacked up with...
 
And they are all bullshit...but thanks for giving us the fake crap so we can rebutt it.......
You were supposed to provide direct response to the actual contents of each.

Obviously the facts mean nothing when your substituting a Glock for your cock.

You think you're safer carrying? Great, do it, fool.
Let Darwin sort out the mess.
 
Your very first link....criminals in possession of guns getting shot by other criminals.....during the commision of crime or living the criminal life....

From that link....the big clue how they came by their stats....

Our control participants were, however, significantly more unemployed than the general population.

Good for you....
Figures don't lie but liars do figure.

Strap on that Glock to aid your tiny cock.
Let Darwin sort out the mess.
 
Linked thousands of times to the same response.

Stupidity.

But to feed your stupidity...


Since I've done your work I expect a specific quote and reference to ALL of these links.


This is how your studies lie....

Letter to editor..

  • The authors' interpretation of their results is an example of "data torturing" (1). Specifically, Kellermann and his colleagues are guilty of Procrustean data torturing, which is defined as "deciding on the hypothesis to be proved [in this case, owning a gun increases the risk of homicide] and making the data fit the hypothesis." Never mind that there were more users of illicit drugs, alcoholics, and persons with a history of violence in the households of the case subjects than in the households of the controls or that, by the authors' own admission, 11 of the case subjects were killed by private citizens acting legally in self-defense. In other words, some instances of gun ownership prevented the owner or family members from becoming victims -- indeed, may have even saved their lives.
    What the article did show is that illicit drug use, alcoholism, and a pattern of violent behavior are risk factors for homicide involving firearms. What the article failed to address is that gun ownership by responsible people is not a risk factor. In other words, it is not the gun (an inanimate object) that is the problem but its inappropriate use.
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    Additional analysis of Kellermann's ICPSR dataset shows that just over 4½ percent of all homicides, in the three counties Kellermann chose to study, involved victims being killed with a gun kept in their own home (see derivation). This supports the conclusion that people murdered with a gun kept in their own home are a small minority of all homicides, precisely the opposite of what an uncritical reader of Kellermann's study would likely conclude.
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    Who's at higher risk for homicide?​

    (The percentages in this paragraph are based on an examination of Kellermann's ICPSR dataset.)
    As mentioned, a reasonable estimate of gun victims killed by a gun from the victim's home is 34%. However, this number drops to 12.6% when households having a prior arrestee are excluded, and drops further to 7% when households with prior arrests, illicit drug use, or a history of violence are excluded. (That's 3.5% of all matched cases. Likewise, the previously mentioned 4½ percent figure of all homicides involving a victim killed by a gun in the home falls to 2.1%.)
    These percentages indicate Kellermann's study essentially shows that households with guns in the hands of residents having criminal records, illicit drug use, or prior histories of violence, are at a higher risk of experiencing domestic homicides.

    As a Dr. Pat Baranello writes in a letter to the editor in the New England Journal of Medicine, "What the article failed to address is that gun ownership by responsible people is not a risk factor (source)."
    Kellermann's response (contained in the same source) although a true statement, sidesteps the letter writer's point. Kellerman's response was, "Although we noted a degree of association among several behavioral risk factors, each contributed independently to the risk of homicide."












Correspondence -- NEJM 1994; 330: 365-368 -- February 3, 1994
 
Second study....women living with criminals.....and drug addicts, and alcoholics....

But......for some reason they did not specify the criminal status of any of their cohort, or their drug or alcohol abuse status...

That's kinda important information....but it would have wrecked their study.....

Figures don't lie but liars do figure.

Strap on that Glock to aid your tiny cock.
Let Darwin sort out the mess.
 
You were supposed to provide direct response to the actual contents of each.

Obviously the facts mean nothing when your substituting a Glock for your cock.

You think you're safer carrying? Great, do it, fool.
Let Darwin sort out the mess.


I looked them over and found they did not discuss criminal background, drug use, alcohol abuse, or police intervention at the residence....all of those are critical factors....that they left out...you dumb ass.....

Criminals with guns shooting their baby mommas or shooting people in their homes trying to steal their drug stash and cash are not normal gun owners....you doofus...
 
Figures don't lie but liars do figure.

Strap on that Glock to aid your tiny cock.
Let Darwin sort out the mess.


More on how your fake researchers lie....

Who's at higher risk for homicide?

(The percentages in this paragraph are based on an examination of Kellermann's ICPSR dataset.)
As mentioned, a reasonable estimate of gun victims killed by a gun from the victim's home is 34%. However, this number drops to 12.6% when households having a prior arrestee are excluded, and drops further to 7% when households with prior arrests, illicit drug use, or a history of violence are excluded. (That's 3.5% of all matched cases. Likewise, the previously mentioned 4½ percent figure of all homicides involving a victim killed by a gun in the home falls to 2.1%.)
These percentages indicate Kellermann's study essentially shows that households with guns in the hands of residents having criminal records, illicit drug use, or prior histories of violence, are at a higher risk of experiencing domestic homicides.



As a Dr. Pat Baranello writes in a letter to the editor in the New England Journal of Medicine, "What the article failed to address is that gun ownership by responsible people is not a risk factor (source)." Kellermann's response (contained in the same source) although a true statement, sidesteps the letter writer's point. Kellerman's response was, "Although we noted a degree of association among several behavioral risk factors, each contributed independently to the risk of homicide."



Households with persons having a criminal history or violence prone personality are at an increased risk for homicide, and a gun in the hands of these kinds of persons also most likely independently increases homicide risk more so than it does for law-abiding gun owning households.
Mathematically speaking, logistic regression calculates only one co-efficient per risk factor (which can be converted into an odds-ratio). If a gun in the hands of persons with criminal records or a history of violence are much more prone to commit homicide than unarmed persons without those risk factors, and the large majority of cases in a regression model had a history of violence and arrests, the odds-ratio is going to reflect the increased risk of a gun in the hands of a volatile group, rather than representing a risk factor for the general population. It's also possible that the risk of homicide by law-abiding persons could be extremely small, yet those same people with guns have a much higher risk of homicide, resulting in an odds ratio higher than what Kellermann's final model showed. Kellermann's study simply can't tell us which is the case (or neither).
Kellermann's defenders may try to claim that a link was found between guns and homicide for all 14 subgroups he studied (p. 1089), however each one of those subgroups still contained a majority of high-risk cases.

(For an example to the contrary, even though living alone was found to be riskier than owning a gun, examining the ICPSR dataset shows there were 46 matched-pair cases who lived alone and had no history of arrest or violent activity. 15 cases were gun owning households versus 19 of the controls, giving a crude odds-ratio of 0.688.


In this group, gunowners had a 31.2% lower risk of being murdered. But these numbers aren't conclusive of gun ownership being protective due to the lack of controls for any other factors that influence homicide victimization. It's simply an example of what might be a low-risk subgroup. Further study would be necessary.)

Kellermann-Gun Ownership as a Risk Factor for Homicide in the Home

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Figures don't lie but liars do figure.

Strap on that Glock to aid your tiny cock.
Let Darwin sort out the mess.


And more....how anti-gun researchers hide the truth...

https://crimeresearch.org/wp-conten...ack-of-Public-Health-Research-on-Firearms.pdf

3. The Incredibly Flawed Public Health Research Guns in the Home At a town hall at George Mason University in January 2016, President Obama said, “If you look at the statistics, there's no doubt that there are times where somebody who has a weapon has been able to protect themselves and scare off an intruder or an assailant, but what is more often the case is that they may not have been able to protect themselves, but they end up being the victim of the weapon that they purchased themselves.”25 The primary proponents of this claim are Arthur Kellermann and his many coauthors. A gun, they have argued, is less likely to be used in killing a criminal than it is to be used in killing someone the gun owner knows. In one of the most well-known public health studies on firearms, Kellermann’s “case sample” consists of 444 homicides that occurred in homes. His control group had 388 individuals who lived near the deceased victims and were of the same sex, race, and age range.


After learning about the homicide victims and control subjects—whether they owned a gun, had a drug or alcohol problem, etc.—these authors attempted to see if the probability of a homicide correlated with gun ownership. Amazingly these studies assume that if someone died from a gun shot, and a gun was owned in the home, that it was the gun in the home that killed that person.

The paper is clearly misleading, as it fails to report that in only 8 of these 444 homicide cases was the gun that had been kept in the home the murder weapon.



Moreover, the number of criminals stopped with a gun is much higher than the number killed in defensive gun uses. In fact, the attacker is killed in fewer than 1 out of every 1,000 defensive gun uses. Fix either of these data errors and the results are reversed. To demonstrate, suppose that we use the same statistical method—with a matching control group—to do a study on the efficacy of hospital care. Assume that we collect data just as these authors did, compiling a list of all the people who died in a particular county over the period of a year. Then we ask their relatives whether they had been admitted to the hospital during the previous year. We also put together a control sample consisting of neighbors who are part of the same sex, race, and age group. Then we ask these men and women whether they have been in a hospital during the past year. My bet is that those who spent time in hospitals are much more likely to have died.
 

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