If the US is number one in science and technology, what place does the GOP have?

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    If the US is number one in science and technology, what place does the GOP have?

    Seriously, we know from Rick Santorum what they think about education. Since it was founded, the US has always been innovative. This is a country that's never "moved backward". American has always been innovative, forward thinking and progressive.

    Include the fact that Conservatives have at least 42 amendments to the constitution and the question is, "Do they really want to live here"?
     
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    Are we number one?

    We used to be tops in education. that is until government and unions took over.

    Fortunately there are charter schools. They are doing to much better than gov/union killed schools that Harlem has to run a lottery to see who gets in. And most of the others have a long waiting list.

    America will have it's greatness back, and there's not a fucking thing you can do to stop it.
     
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    You want to know what the US is number one in?

    Corporate taxation.

    I wonder if that has anything to do with the smart people going other places to make money.
     
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    You mean like China? Mitt admires the Chinese. He want's us to be more like them. I suspect you are already very close.
     
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    Were a nation that works to achieve its goals. We are built on strong morals and values. Were a melting pot of people who came to this country with nothing and turned it into a dream. Were an ambitious and powerful group of people. I much rather move "backwards" into prosperity. Proud conservative!!!
     
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    The Republican Party is 90% white and thinks education is for snobs.

    This is not a recipe for "prosperity", but it is a recipe for going "backwards".
     
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    SURPRISE! The GOP is a big part OF American rdean.
     
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    We put a man on the moon during a GOP administration. JFK gets credit in the uneducated liberal mind but he was just hot air.
     
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    Thought this might interest you, deanie....but you better be sitting down.

    "Less than two months after his inauguration, Mr Obama issued an executive order “removing [Bush’s] barriers to responsible scientific research involving human stem cells” and “directing the head of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy to develop a strategy for restoring scientific integrity to government decision making”…. Finally we had a president who would open the floodgates of government funding for human embryonic stem cell research.

    Myth 1: Bush banned federal funding of hESC (human embryonic stem cell ) research. (Some people even thought that he outlawed the research itself.)
    (1) from President Obama’s address on March 9, 2009: “we will lift the ban on federal funding for promising embryonic stem cell research.”
    (2) from the media: “President Obama lifted the eight-year-old ban on federal funding for embryonic stem cell research yesterday…” – Washington Post, March 10, 2009
    (3) from progressive websites: “With the stroke of a pen, President Barack Obama today erased the Bush administration’s eight-year-old restrictions on federal funding of research involving human embryonic stem cells, reaffirming his commitment to evidence and biomedical hope over his predecessor’s ideological distortion of science.” – Science Progress
    (4) from bioethicists: "After eight years of zero-budget funding of embryonic stem cell research, it is hardly fair and completely disingenuous for critics to point to the practice and wonder why it lags four decades behind government-funded adult stem cell research," -- Art Caplan, University of Pennsylvania
    Fact 1: Bush was the first to initiate the federal funding of hESC research.

    Myth 2: Bush was a foe of science and stem cell research.
    Supporting evidence:
    (1) The signing of Obama’s executive order was “a momentous occasion for anyone who believes in the pursuit of biomedical knowledge for the betterment of human health." -- Harvard Stem Cell Institute researcher George Daley.
    (2) "This marks a new era for stem cell research. It will not only impact research in the laboratory, but perhaps more importantly, it finally lifts the black cloud that has hovered over this research for so long. We have been operating for the last decade with one hand tied behind our back," -- Robert Lanza, science director of Advanced Cell Technologies.
    (3) “Bush’s approach to the issue of embryonic stem cell research… showed a deep disregard for the role of scientific information in political decision-making.” -- Chris Mooney, The Republican War On Science
    Fact 2: The NIH stem cell budget grew by leaps and bounds under Bush.

    Myth 3: President Obama has greatly increased funding for human embryonic stem cell research.
    Supporting evidence:
    (1) “The order was issued just in time for researchers to take advantage of money in Mr. Obama's economic recovery package and use it for stem cell studies.” - NYTimes
    (2) “The President's [March 9, 2009] decision does much more than expand funding for stem-cell research. It heralds a shift in the government's view of science, ushering in an era in which it promises to defend science — and the pursuit of useful treatments — against ideology.” – Time, March 9, 2009
    Fact 3: Stem cell scientists are still waiting for the river of gold. Even though Obama removed Bush’s restrictions on federal funds for hESC research, he has barely increased the hESC budget.
    MercatorNet: Barack, can you spare a dime?
     
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    Nixon was sworn into office on Jan. 20th 1969, and Apollo 11 Landed on the Moon on July 20th 1969 6 months after Nixon taking office. Prior to that time, Apollo 7, Apollo 8 which Circumnavigated the moon, had flown, and that does not include the entire Gemini program or Mercury program that led up to that. So while your statement is while true to a degree it does not take all the above factors into consideration and also seems to imply that all the work to get to the moon was done in a period of 6 months and was the sole credit of a GOP Administration which it clearly was not.

    On May 25, 1961, President John F. Kennedy announced before a special joint session of Congress the dramatic and ambitious goal of sending an American safely to the Moon before the end of the decade.

    The Decision to Go to the Moon: President John F. Kennedy's May 25, 1961 Speech before Congress

    Sp perhaps the best thing here would be to say, that what started as a means to catch up to Russia by Eisenhower (GOP) and moved forward as a vision to go to the moon by a Kennedy ( Dem) and concluded with a Nixon (GOP). Was in the end an AMERICAN achievement regardless of what political party one might have belonged too.
     
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