If The Senate shuts this down....

[occupied]

I like to believe that most Americans agree that this should at least look like justice has been served. The form of the trial leaves senators plenty of time to examine their life choices that led to this sorry situation where conservative lawyers will be arguing that abuse of power and obstruction are not impeachable offenses. It's anyone's guess if it will goad any of them to honor their oaths.

You mean like the partisan hit job by the House?

Sucks for Trump all he has in defense is to attack the process like some obviously guilty Mob boss. He is counting entirely on every republican putting him before the party and the country,

Ironic, since you are posting in a thread started on the premise of attacking the process.

I took the OP to be speculation on the open question of how many republican senators will just go along with trying to sweep it all under the rug in spite of the damage it will do to the republican party. The political calculations being done by republicans right now must be a cause of great torment to them. They earned this mess by telling the president he had their unconditional support no matter what.

 

[Rye Catcher]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT

It's crystal clear that Senators Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham are eager to sweep this Senate impeachment trial under the rug, shut it down, and allow no new evidence or witnesses. But what happens if they try to do that? Will other Republican Senators march in lockstep, and try to deal with the coming election fallout in November? Will they break ranks and join the Democrats in insisting documents and witnesses being suppressed by President Trump be revealed? Recent polling shows:

71% of Democrats, 56% of independents and 40% of Republicans say Senate should call additional witnesses to testify.

51% say Senate should remove Trump from office.

Either way, Senate Republicans are in a tough spot. Do they cave in to public opinion and hold a fair trial? or do they cave in to Donald Trump and risk being removed from office in November?

JMHO - Too close to call right now.

Thoughts?

Most Voters Want More Impeachment Witnesses as Senate Prepares for Trial

How is calling witnesses fair? The House did not call these people, so why should the Senate? You numbers are indicative of the poor education these people received. Most of them probably don't vote.

Your echo of the call to put the Biden's in the witness chair is thoughtless. What do you think either Biden would or could offer to support evidence that trump's behavior to threaten the President of Ukraine didn't exist, and how Hunter Biden's employment was the singular evidence of proof that all of Ukraine was corrupt?

 

[wamose]

Democrats totally botched their House investigation, losing the opinion of the people in spite of running a totally crooked operation. In the end, the only people who thought they made a case against Trump was the MSM, and that's because they are so far up the Democrats asses it has become impossible for them to see anything clearly or even be rational. So after totally failing in the House, they're trying to continue their investigation in the Senate, which is like going into your neighbors house and insisting on telling him how to run his house, even though your stupid ideas were the reason you just lost your house. Democrats just can't accept their total failure in the House impeachment investigation and vote but their idea that they can fix their fuck up during the Senate trial is totally insane. Democrats have made total asses out of themselves and nothing is going to change that.

 

[Rye Catcher]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT

It's crystal clear that Senators Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham are eager to sweep this Senate impeachment trial under the rug, shut it down, and allow no new evidence or witnesses. But what happens if they try to do that? Will other Republican Senators march in lockstep, and try to deal with the coming election fallout in November? Will they break ranks and join the Democrats in insisting documents and witnesses being suppressed by President Trump be revealed? Recent polling shows:

71% of Democrats, 56% of Independents and 40% of Republicans say Senate should call additional witnesses to testify.

51% say Senate should remove Trump from office.

Either way, Senate Republicans are in a tough spot. Do they cave in to public opinion and hold a fair trial? or do they cave in to Donald Trump and risk being removed from office in November?

JMHO - Too close to call right now.

Thoughts?

Most Voters Want More Impeachment Witnesses as Senate Prepares for Trial

Ya gotta ask yer self. Why didn’t the House do it’s fucking job?

The D's have done their job, they had two hearings and presented witnesses and documents necessary and sufficient to hold the Defendant, Donald J. Trump, to answer. They presented all the evidence necessary to impeach The President.

The R's failed to provide any evidence probative to the issues subsequently sent to the Senate. Not one member of the R Caucus presented any witnesses to provide exculpatory evidence, and their cry that they could not bring forth witnesses or documents which were of benefit to the Defendant, those closest to him in the White House, refused the subpoena under the direction of The President.

Time will tell if the evidence presented is so incriminating that even Sen. Graham will fold and vote to convict the Defendant; consider, Senators are Pols and most pols sole concern is what will the voters do, if they don't vote how the majority of their constituents believe.

Most Americans want justice to prevail, notwithstanding the, "lock her up" set.

 

[william the wie]

The D circular firing squad will give the Rs a landslide with their half-assed trial lite.

 

[william the wie]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT

It's crystal clear that Senators Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham are eager to sweep this Senate impeachment trial under the rug, shut it down, and allow no new evidence or witnesses. But what happens if they try to do that? Will other Republican Senators march in lockstep, and try to deal with the coming election fallout in November? Will they break ranks and join the Democrats in insisting documents and witnesses being suppressed by President Trump be revealed? Recent polling shows:

71% of Democrats, 56% of Independents and 40% of Republicans say Senate should call additional witnesses to testify.

51% say Senate should remove Trump from office.

Either way, Senate Republicans are in a tough spot. Do they cave in to public opinion and hold a fair trial? or do they cave in to Donald Trump and risk being removed from office in November?

JMHO - Too close to call right now.

Thoughts?

Most Voters Want More Impeachment Witnesses as Senate Prepares for Trial

Ya gotta ask yer self. Why didn’t the House do it’s fucking job?

The D's have done their job, they had two hearings and presented witnesses and documents necessary and sufficient to hold the Defendant, Donald J. Trump, to answer. They presented all the evidence necessary to impeach The President.

The R's failed to provide any evidence probative to the issues subsequently sent to the Senate. Not one member of the R Caucus presented any witnesses to provide exculpatory evidence, and their cry that they could not bring forth witnesses or documents which were of benefit to the Defendant, those closest to him in the White House, refused the subpoena under the direction of The President.

Time will tell if the evidence presented is so incriminating that even Sen. Graham will fold and vote to convict the Defendant; consider, Senators are Pols and most pols sole concern is what will the voters do, if they don't vote how the majority of their constituents believe.

Most Americans want justice to prevail, notwithstanding the, "lock her up" set.

The nice thing about the impeachment is that it distracts the NAZIs from their improving Trump's landslide.

 

[j-mac]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT

It's crystal clear that Senators Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham are eager to sweep this Senate impeachment trial under the rug, shut it down, and allow no new evidence or witnesses. But what happens if they try to do that? Will other Republican Senators march in lockstep, and try to deal with the coming election fallout in November? Will they break ranks and join the Democrats in insisting documents and witnesses being suppressed by President Trump be revealed? Recent polling shows:

71% of Democrats, 56% of Independents and 40% of Republicans say Senate should call additional witnesses to testify.

51% say Senate should remove Trump from office.

Either way, Senate Republicans are in a tough spot. Do they cave in to public opinion and hold a fair trial? or do they cave in to Donald Trump and risk being removed from office in November?

JMHO - Too close to call right now.

Thoughts?

Most Voters Want More Impeachment Witnesses as Senate Prepares for Trial

Ok, so the premise is garbage, the poll (online polling company that partners with liberal outlets) is garbage, and you, as is the case with most liberals, have it exactly backwards....

It is the Democrats who are going to have to explain to voters why they went along with this railroad dog and pony show instead of working for the people.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Thoughts are, if it's coming from democrat controlled media it isn't true.

 

[Maxdeath]

I like to believe that most Americans agree that this should at least look like justice has been served. The form of the trial leaves senators plenty of time to examine their life choices that led to this sorry situation where conservative lawyers will be arguing that abuse of power and obstruction are not impeachable offenses. It's anyone's guess if it will goad any of them to honor their oaths.

You mean like the partisan hit job by the House?

Sucks for Trump all he has in defense is to attack the process like some obviously guilty Mob boss. He is counting entirely on every republican putting him before the party and the country,

Ironic, since you are posting in a thread started on the premise of attacking the process.

I took the OP to be speculation on the open question of how many republican senators will just go along with trying to sweep it all under the rug in spite of the damage it will do to the republican party. The political calculations being done by republicans right now must be a cause of great torment to them. They earned this mess by telling the president he had their unconditional support no matter what.

Not like Dems haven't been squirming since Trump won.
This whole affair is in hopes that they can either force Trump out or create enough dislike to make their candidate look better.

To tell the truth I hope that Trump wins a second term, the house and senate go to the Republicans with enough of a lean that no matter what is proposed the Dems don't have enough to shut it down.

Then just for giggles I would love the house to propose to exhonerarte his impeachment just I could watch Pelosi have a stroke.

 

[Rye Catcher]

So far no convincing post has been presented by the supporters of trump. I suppose the theory of their defense is that everyone but they and trump are liars. The irony which they will never admit, and likely can't even comprehend, is that lying to mislead the public is daily ritual coming from the White House and the words of The President at rallies, pressers and in tweets.

 

[occupied]

I like to believe that most Americans agree that this should at least look like justice has been served. The form of the trial leaves senators plenty of time to examine their life choices that led to this sorry situation where conservative lawyers will be arguing that abuse of power and obstruction are not impeachable offenses. It's anyone's guess if it will goad any of them to honor their oaths.

You mean like the partisan hit job by the House?

Sucks for Trump all he has in defense is to attack the process like some obviously guilty Mob boss. He is counting entirely on every republican putting him before the party and the country,

Ironic, since you are posting in a thread started on the premise of attacking the process.

I took the OP to be speculation on the open question of how many republican senators will just go along with trying to sweep it all under the rug in spite of the damage it will do to the republican party. The political calculations being done by republicans right now must be a cause of great torment to them. They earned this mess by telling the president he had their unconditional support no matter what.

Not like Dems haven't been squirming since Trump won.
This whole affair is in hopes that they can either force Trump out or create enough dislike to make their candidate look better.

To tell the truth I hope that Trump wins a second term, the house and senate go to the Republicans with enough of a lean that no matter what is proposed the Dems don't have enough to shut it down.

Then just for giggles I would love the house to propose to exhonerarte his impeachment just I could watch Pelosi have a stroke.

We already know republicans want a permanent one-party state and an absolute plutocratic ruler.

 

[Maxdeath]

You mean like the partisan hit job by the House?

Sucks for Trump all he has in defense is to attack the process like some obviously guilty Mob boss. He is counting entirely on every republican putting him before the party and the country,

Ironic, since you are posting in a thread started on the premise of attacking the process.

I took the OP to be speculation on the open question of how many republican senators will just go along with trying to sweep it all under the rug in spite of the damage it will do to the republican party. The political calculations being done by republicans right now must be a cause of great torment to them. They earned this mess by telling the president he had their unconditional support no matter what.

Not like Dems haven't been squirming since Trump won.
This whole affair is in hopes that they can either force Trump out or create enough dislike to make their candidate look better.

To tell the truth I hope that Trump wins a second term, the house and senate go to the Republicans with enough of a lean that no matter what is proposed the Dems don't have enough to shut it down.

Then just for giggles I would love the house to propose to exhonerarte his impeachment just I could watch Pelosi have a stroke.

We already know republicans want a permanent one-party state and an absolute plutocratic ruler.

Roflol. Yeah sure the checks in the mail also right?
The republicans want power just like the democrats do. The diffrence is
The republicans don't want to give people everything just because they breath, they expect people to at least make an attempt to do something with their life and help the country.
Don't fool yourself that Dems don't want a third world country they have proven it in cities that they control, the only thing that's missing is they have not had enough votes to pull it off for the country.
Dems would rather have a terrorist as a savior then a republican in congress.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Democrats only have one witness. Sondland is the only witness and he supports Trump. That's why the lying shitface democrats want to bring up more trained monkeys. They can't use any of those they drooled over before.

 

[occupied]

Sucks for Trump all he has in defense is to attack the process like some obviously guilty Mob boss. He is counting entirely on every republican putting him before the party and the country,

Ironic, since you are posting in a thread started on the premise of attacking the process.

I took the OP to be speculation on the open question of how many republican senators will just go along with trying to sweep it all under the rug in spite of the damage it will do to the republican party. The political calculations being done by republicans right now must be a cause of great torment to them. They earned this mess by telling the president he had their unconditional support no matter what.

Not like Dems haven't been squirming since Trump won.
This whole affair is in hopes that they can either force Trump out or create enough dislike to make their candidate look better.

To tell the truth I hope that Trump wins a second term, the house and senate go to the Republicans with enough of a lean that no matter what is proposed the Dems don't have enough to shut it down.

Then just for giggles I would love the house to propose to exhonerarte his impeachment just I could watch Pelosi have a stroke.

We already know republicans want a permanent one-party state and an absolute plutocratic ruler.

Roflol. Yeah sure the checks in the mail also right?
The republicans want power just like the democrats do. The diffrence is
The republicans don't want to give people everything just because they breath, they expect people to at least make an attempt to do something with their life and help the country.
Don't fool yourself that Dems don't want a third world country they have proven it in cities that they control, the only thing that's missing is they have not had enough votes to pull it off for the country.
Dems would rather have a terrorist as a savior then a republican in congress.

Hey don't blame me that the president's lawyers are about to argue that abuse of power and obstruction are not impeachable offenses. That's on you Trumpbots.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT

It's crystal clear that Senators Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham are eager to sweep this Senate impeachment trial under the rug, shut it down, and allow no new evidence or witnesses. But what happens if they try to do that? Will other Republican Senators march in lockstep, and try to deal with the coming election fallout in November? Will they break ranks and join the Democrats in insisting documents and witnesses being suppressed by President Trump be revealed? Recent polling shows:

71% of Democrats, 56% of Independents and 40% of Republicans say Senate should call additional witnesses to testify.

51% say Senate should remove Trump from office.

Either way, Senate Republicans are in a tough spot. Do they cave in to public opinion and hold a fair trial? or do they cave in to Donald Trump and risk being removed from office in November?

JMHO - Too close to call right now.

Thoughts?

Most Voters Want More Impeachment Witnesses as Senate Prepares for Trial

This donkey show shouldn't even be dignified by a trial.

 

[Hellokitty]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT

It's crystal clear that Senators Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham are eager to sweep this Senate impeachment trial under the rug, shut it down, and allow no new evidence or witnesses. But what happens if they try to do that? Will other Republican Senators march in lockstep, and try to deal with the coming election fallout in November? Will they break ranks and join the Democrats in insisting documents and witnesses being suppressed by President Trump be revealed? Recent polling shows:

71% of Democrats, 56% of Independents and 40% of Republicans say Senate should call additional witnesses to testify.

51% say Senate should remove Trump from office.

Either way, Senate Republicans are in a tough spot. Do they cave in to public opinion and hold a fair trial? or do they cave in to Donald Trump and risk being removed from office in November?

JMHO - Too close to call right now.

Thoughts?

Most Voters Want More Impeachment Witnesses as Senate Prepares for Trial

Why would an elected republican think the way to keep their job is by caving to democrats?
As for public opinion and calling more witnesses who doesn't want to hear from Hunter and the whistleblower?

 

[Rye Catcher]

You mean like the partisan hit job by the House?

Sucks for Trump all he has in defense is to attack the process like some obviously guilty Mob boss. He is counting entirely on every republican putting him before the party and the country,

Ironic, since you are posting in a thread started on the premise of attacking the process.

I took the OP to be speculation on the open question of how many republican senators will just go along with trying to sweep it all under the rug in spite of the damage it will do to the republican party. The political calculations being done by republicans right now must be a cause of great torment to them. They earned this mess by telling the president he had their unconditional support no matter what.

Not like Dems haven't been squirming since Trump won.
This whole affair is in hopes that they can either force Trump out or create enough dislike to make their candidate look better.

To tell the truth I hope that Trump wins a second term, the house and senate go to the Republicans with enough of a lean that no matter what is proposed the Dems don't have enough to shut it down.

Then just for giggles I would love the house to propose to exhonerarte his impeachment just I could watch Pelosi have a stroke.

We already know republicans want a permanent one-party state and an absolute plutocratic ruler.

I fully agree.

 

[wamose]

When Ds voted to impeach a month ago, they said the proof they presented was overwhelming and that Trump was proven guilty beyond any shadow of a doubt. Now all of a sudden, they think they need more witnesses. So what happened? Is it that Dems. want to throw another monkey wrench in Sander's election bid? Do they just want to drag the whole procedure out to hide the fact that they have no platform? Is it about putting certain R Senators on the spot with their constituents? Of course there's always the fact that Ds have been trying to squash all investigations against the criminals from the FBI, CIA and DOJ. A Democrat majority will insure that those deep state criminals will never face justice. Or is it just that these Ds are hypocritical liars who can't change. It's not really important what their true motivation is. But there are some things that can be said for certain. This impeachment had absolutely nothing to do with reverence for our constitution. It had nothing to do with the wishes of the American people. And it is certainly going to change our government for the absolute worst from this point on. But we must not let Democrats change it to their socialist-communist wet dream

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I like to believe that most Americans agree that this should at least look like justice has been served. The form of the trial leaves senators plenty of time to examine their life choices that led to this sorry situation where conservative lawyers will be arguing that abuse of power and obstruction are not impeachable offenses. It's anyone's guess if it will goad any of them to honor their oaths.

Abuse of power did not occur and obstruction of Congress is simply fiction. Maybe the Democrats will examine their life choices and vow not to be stupid any longer.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Again, it begs the question, dems said they had a rock solid case, undisputed. They went forward with articles of impeachment based on this rock solid evidence.

Now, they are scurrying for more witnesses. Why is that? It's possible that this shows the dems case may not have been rock solid at all, and they rushed the articles for political reasons. They used openly vague reasons for the impeachment articles, with the hope that they would find a more solid reason later.

There are those who say "we need all the evidence so we can see all that trump has done wrong, and new witnesses will show those new issues". So, if you have a rock solid, undisputed case, then what does new evidence matter? You say you have all the evidence you need. The idea here is to remove trump from office, right? Or is it to damage him far into the future?

Is it not possible that dems are not going to be satisfied with just removing trump, they hate him so much, they want to ruin the man?

This is not about justice, this is about revenge.