If the Sandy Hook incident does not bring on changes due to the NRA NO

The NRA is nothing but a pork barreled lobbyist group that forces gun manufactures to keep bankrolling them. They are essentially a union on steroids, but the right wingers don't care.

bullshit

Oh no, that's true shit. Though I would take issue with the verb "forces", as this is a very much symbiotic relationship...

Organized Corporate Solicitation Program Disproves Longstanding NRA Claim That It's Independent of Gun Industry

Washington, DC--The National Rifle Association (NRA) receives millions of dollars directly from domestic and foreign gun manufacturers and other members of the firearms industry through an organized corporate outreach program according to a new report issued today by the Violence Policy Center (VPC).

The report, Blood Money: How the Gun Industry Bankrolls the NRA, reveals that since 2005 contributions from gun industry "corporate partners" to the NRA total between $14.7 million and $38.9 million. Total donations to the NRA from all "corporate partners"--both gun industry and non-gun industry--for the same time period total between $19.8 million and $52.6 million. The vast majority of funds--74 percent--contributed to the NRA from “corporate partners” come from members of the firearms industry: companies involved in the manufacture or sale of firearms or shooting-related products.

Despite the NRA's historical claims that it is not financially allied with the gun industry, including the current disclaimer on its website that it “is not affiliated with any firearm or ammunition manufacturers or with any businesses that deal in guns and ammunition,” NRA "corporate partners" include many of the world's best known gunmakers as well as such companies as Xe, the new name of the now infamous Blackwater Worldwide--known for its abuses in the Iraq war--which alone contributed between $500,000 and $999,999 to the NRA since 2005.
-- Violence Policy Center, released 2011

-- so you have a public PR organization spreading gun pacifier fear, funded directly by manufacturers who stand to gain directly from that fearmongering as the gun show sheeple hear the call and obey, bleating "yes Master, may I have another gun?".

Do the freaking math.
 
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Freedom of association is a fundamental principle of our country and needs to be vigorously defended.

Do you feel like your single vote does not matter any more? Well, political associations allow your voice to be greatly amplified. Anyone who would oppose the power of a political association would have you become an insignificant crumb.
 
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So, keeping war weopons out of the hands of the crazies is gun grabbing. And what do you think is going to happen if all this is just passed over, and then we have another Sandy Hook?

Not only that, but the fact that in a short time, there are going to be more deaths from guns than from traffic accidents. This is no cause for concern?

Well, some good ideas have been suggested as to how to prevent the ease at which these guns are aquired by anyone with the cash. But those ideas have been met with the same rejection as suggestions that actually do infringe on your right to own a gun.

Absolutism, meet absolutism. In other words, address this issue with reason, or in the future when we lose another bunch of innocents to a crazy with the type of war weopon you people are so determined to keep in open circulation. And then you will see some draconian gun laws, and blame for that will lay on you.

No, but your plan is to keep semi-autos out of the hands of of anyone, regardless of the fact that THEY are not crazy.
 
The more the rabid gun owners rant, whine and lie, the greater the likelihood rational citizens will demand Congress take some action to control guns. Many of the posts since Sandy Hook on this message board are quite disturbing, so disturbing as to cause a rational reader to wonder if some of you should ever be trusted to own, possess or have in you custody and control any gun.

We of the gun owners world are the rational ones. Do you have something to suggest that hasn't already been tried?
 
So, keeping war weopons out of the hands of the crazies is gun grabbing.

What if a majority decides all Muslims are crazy?

Hell, Fox News has a large chunk of the population already convinced they all are.
 
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The more the rabid gun owners rant, whine and lie, the greater the likelihood rational citizens will demand Congress take some action to control guns. Many of the posts since Sandy Hook on this message board are quite disturbing, so disturbing as to cause a rational reader to wonder if some of you should ever be trusted to own, possess or have in you custody and control any gun.

oh well, we wonder if some of you should own a computer
so much blaa blaa blaa
People have been asking for restrictions on abortions too, we see how you ALL turn red in the face defending A WOMANS CHOICE...give up, none of you "gun haters" are RATIONAL
 
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So, keeping war weopons out of the hands of the crazies is gun grabbing. And what do you think is going to happen if all this is just passed over, and then we have another Sandy Hook?

Not only that, but the fact that in a short time, there are going to be more deaths from guns than from traffic accidents. This is no cause for concern?


Emotional reckoning let you down ?

Gun deaths have gone down every year since 2007.

More people die from knives than rifles in 2011.

Per the FBI.
 
They don't represent the majority of gun owners anymore.
Yes, they do.

Please stop using this tragedy to push your political agenda.

Thanks in advance.
If this tragedy does not merit a responsible debate about the presence of assault weapons on our streets, I dread the tragedy that does.

If 9/11 does not merit a responsible debate about the presence of Muslims on our streets, I dread the tragedy that does.

Everyone has their corner of the Constitution they want to tear off.
 
They don't represent the majority of gun owners anymore.
Yes, they do.

Please stop using this tragedy to push your political agenda.

Thanks in advance.
If this tragedy does not merit a responsible debate about the presence of assault weapons on our streets, I dread the tragedy that does.

well as we see with most of you here and the Democrat party, none of the conversation is reasonable...you all just want to impose more laws and now fines and jail for "responsible LEGAL gun owners" and nothing will happen with the CRAZYS out there..
 
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Yes, they do.

Please stop using this tragedy to push your political agenda.

Thanks in advance.
If this tragedy does not merit a responsible debate about the presence of assault weapons on our streets, I dread the tragedy that does.

If 9/11 does not merit a responsible debate about the presence of Muslims on our streets, I dread the tragedy that does.

Everyone has their corner of the Constitution they want to tear off.

There has been and there always will be, with FOX leading the way. Now, lets talk about assault weapons on the street. That sounds reaonable.
 
So, keeping war weopons out of the hands of the crazies is gun grabbing. And what do you think is going to happen if all this is just passed over, and then we have another Sandy Hook?

Not only that, but the fact that in a short time, there are going to be more deaths from guns than from traffic accidents. This is no cause for concern?

Well, some good ideas have been suggested as to how to prevent the ease at which these guns are aquired by anyone with the cash. But those ideas have been met with the same rejection as suggestions that actually do infringe on your right to own a gun.

Absolutism, meet absolutism. In other words, address this issue with reason, or in the future when we lose another bunch of innocents to a crazy with the type of war weopon you people are so determined to keep in open circulation. And then you will see some draconian gun laws, and blame for that will lay on you.


No one wants ANY firearm in the hands of crazies.


The whole "weapons of war" shtick is crap.

I've said it 1000 times, an AR15 functions not one bit differently than an M1911 pistol, or a Beretta 9mm (M9) pistol, both also "weapons of war", but no one is seriously proposing that they should be banned, even though the lions share of firearm murders are committed by handguns.

So let's just agree that that talking point is stupid and throw it out.


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The gun grabbers interpretation of "reason" is "do it my way".

Your way is neither reasonable or logical.


Myth: Enhanced background checks will keep dangerous weapons out of the hands of these madmen.

Reality:
Most mass murderers do not have criminal records or a history of psychiatric hospitalization. They would not be disqualified from purchasing their weapons legally. Certainly, people cannot be denied their Second Amendment rights just because they look strange or act in an odd manner. Besides, mass killers could always find an alternative way of securing the needed weaponry, even if they had to steal from family members or friends.

Myth: Restoring the federal ban on assault weapons will prevent these horrible crimes.

Reality:
The overwhelming majority of mass murderers use firearms that would not be restricted by an assault-weapons ban. In fact, semiautomatic handguns are far more prevalent in mass shootings. Of course, limiting the size of ammunition clips would at least force a gunman to pause to reload or switch weapons.



Top 10 Myths About Mass Shootings - The Conversation - The Chronicle of Higher Education
 
The more the rabid gun owners rant, whine and lie, the greater the likelihood rational citizens will demand Congress take some action to control guns. Many of the posts since Sandy Hook on this message board are quite disturbing, so disturbing as to cause a rational reader to wonder if some of you should ever be trusted to own, possess or have in you custody and control any gun.

You're already disturbed, so no harm done.
 
Liberals do not have a rational response. Some crazy guy goes on a shooting spree. To democrats the answer is to treat the entire population as if they were just as crazy. It makes as much sense as banning cruise ships because the Titanic sunk. The only reason why Sandy Hook has any importance at all is as a tool for a political agenda.
 
the nra is nothing but a pork barreled lobbyist group that forces gun manufactures to keep bankrolling them. They are essentially a union on steroids, but the right wingers don't care.

bullshit

oh no, that's true shit. Though i would take issue with the verb "forces", as this is a very much symbiotic relationship...

organized corporate solicitation program disproves longstanding nra claim that it's independent of gun industry

washington, dc--the national rifle association (nra) receives millions of dollars directly from domestic and foreign gun manufacturers and other members of the firearms industry through an organized corporate outreach program according to a new report issued today by the violence policy center (vpc).

The report, blood money: How the gun industry bankrolls the nra, reveals that since 2005 contributions from gun industry "corporate partners" to the nra total between $14.7 million and $38.9 million. Total donations to the nra from all "corporate partners"--both gun industry and non-gun industry--for the same time period total between $19.8 million and $52.6 million. the vast majority of funds--74 percent--contributed to the nra from “corporate partners” come from members of the firearms industry: Companies involved in the manufacture or sale of firearms or shooting-related products.

despite the nra's historical claims that it is not financially allied with the gun industry, including the current disclaimer on its website that it “is not affiliated with any firearm or ammunition manufacturers or with any businesses that deal in guns and ammunition,” nra "corporate partners" include many of the world's best known gunmakers as well as such companies as xe, the new name of the now infamous blackwater worldwide--known for its abuses in the iraq war--which alone contributed between $500,000 and $999,999 to the nra since 2005.
-- violence policy center, released 2011

-- so you have a public pr organization spreading gun pacifier fear, funded directly by manufacturers who stand to gain directly from that fearmongering as the gun show sheeple hear the call and obey, bleating "yes master, may i have another gun?".

Do the freaking math.


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Yes, they do.

Please stop using this tragedy to push your political agenda.

Thanks in advance.
If this tragedy does not merit a responsible debate about the presence of assault weapons on our streets, I dread the tragedy that does.

Well please go on suggest something that hasn't already been tried.
Whenever the debate starts in D.C., the NRA doesn't get to sidetrack the issue with talk about the cosmetic aspects of assault weapons. And they don't get a veto on any other discussions.

The issue is too dire to leave it to the lackeys of the gun manufacturers.
 
The more the rabid gun owners rant, whine and lie, the greater the likelihood rational citizens will demand Congress take some action to control guns. Many of the posts since Sandy Hook on this message board are quite disturbing, so disturbing as to cause a rational reader to wonder if some of you should ever be trusted to own, possess or have in you custody and control any gun.

We of the gun owners world are the rational ones. Do you have something to suggest that hasn't already been tried?

Yep. As you know I've posted them several times. The fact is the rabid gun owner, and you are one, is unwilling to take any action which might save even one life. You and others are so focused on your rights, you forget that others have rights too.

You have claimed the right to own a 100-round magazine and even bragged recently - post Sandy Hook - you have purchased 10 of them. Others claim they will take the life of peace officers who might be detailed to search and or confiscate illegal firearms - showing Mens Rea for all to see when no one in authority is even advocating the such an action be taken.

The behavior as witnessed by anyone who has read your posts, and the posts of others in defense of the Second Amendments
 
What gets me is some of our fellow Americans siding with the Government to step on our Constitutional rights..

You think once they go after the Second Amendment they will STOP AT THAT?

some of you are idiots
 

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