If the LGBT movement is the same as civil rights, why didn't it get resolved then?

[TheOldSchool]

They're obviously not exactly the most powerful force in politics though they're slowly winning their fight.

So becoming a protected class is based on political clout?

Doesn't bode well for the anti-abortion fight. How much political clout does a fetus have?

the anti abortion fight has already been lost.

Not lost. The battlegrounds have just changed.

 

[g5000]

They're obviously not exactly the most powerful force in politics though they're slowly winning their fight.

So becoming a protected class is based on political clout?

Doesn't bode well for the anti-abortion fight. How much political clout does a fetus have?

Gays and fetuses and blacks would get nowhere without the support of the majority. The more outside the mainstream the oppressed are, the longer it takes them to appeal to the national conscience.

 

[nodoginnafight]

They're obviously not exactly the most powerful force in politics though they're slowly winning their fight.

So becoming a protected class is based on political clout?

Doesn't bode well for the anti-abortion fight. How much political clout does a fetus have?

Gays and fetuses and blacks would get nowhere without the support of the majority. The more outside the mainstream the oppressed are, the longer it takes them to appeal to the national conscience.

So it's not really the concept of "liberty and justice for all" that we are attached to, just "liberty and justice for those we can identify with" ???

 

[g5000]

So becoming a protected class is based on political clout?

Doesn't bode well for the anti-abortion fight. How much political clout does a fetus have?

Gays and fetuses and blacks would get nowhere without the support of the majority. The more outside the mainstream the oppressed are, the longer it takes them to appeal to the national conscience.

So it's not really the concept of "liberty and justice for all" that we are attached to, just "liberty and justice for those we can identify with" ???

No, we eventually find our "better angels". I cannot identify with homosexuals, but I definitely identify with liberty and justice for all. That is what minorities appeal to when beseeching the majority. You can clearly see that in MLK's "I Have A Dream" speech:

In a sense we've come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the "unalienable Rights" of "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note, insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked "insufficient funds."

 

[NYcarbineer]

What do you mean by "exactly" the same?


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A group of people being discriminated for a way they are born and not being privy to the same rights as the majority. LGBT advocates always say today's LGBT movement is the exact same thing as the civil-rights movement for minorities in America during the 60s

So if it's the exact same thing, why wasn't it resolved then?


Why do more people claim LGBT today than they did back then if this is so clearly something people are born with?

What's your point? That there was an expiration date before which everyone had to get their civil rights protected, or miss the boat?

Are you daft?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Easy, most people did not talk about sex in the 50s and 60's. Hell, it was a scandal when a married couple on a sitcom slept in the same bed. If you wanted to see boobs you had to read National Geographic. Younger people started rebelling against the norm in the mid 60s' and early seventies, but homosexuality was still taboo. Societal norms change. Always have, always will, and mostly they change towards more acceptance. In the Victorian era it was shamefull for a woman to show you her ankle. Think about it.

But if you're born gay and it's been that way since humans came to be, how could societal norms put this lifestyle away for so long? It would be like trying to put away heterosexuality due to a societal norm focus. You can't do that. Straight people want their straight sex. Gay people want their gay sex

So for the 1000s of years of recorded history, since it's such a natural thing and a good percentage of people are born lgbt, why did homosexual activity ever become seen as different? It's the "same love" after all isn't it?

Why wasn't racial discrimination ended with the ratification of the Constitution?

What the fuck is your point?

 

[Jarhead]

This is a question about culture. Not sure if this is the best place to discuss this question. So I understand if this needs to be moved



This LGBT movement and push to redefine what a family is, it is being compared to a modern-day civil rights fight equal to what minorities and America saw in the 50s/60s. People always equate the two.


If they are so similar, when American society was reassessing rights and culture, why wasn't this LGBT stuff cleared up then?

If it is the exact same thing?


Why did it take you bleeding heart liberals till 10 years ago to start fighting this issue/caring about this issue?

Are you making the assertion that civil rights (as in the 50s and 60s) has been completely "cleared up"?

Yes. It has.

Sure, you still have racism.

But the civil rights movement was all about blacks being viewed by the government....local, state and federal....as equal with the exact same rights and protections as all others.

And that is exactly what the gay movement should be all about. Nothing more.

You are fooling yourself if you think a movement will eliminate bias in the private sector. There will always be bigots.

There are those who will hate blacks, Jews, Gays, fat people, ugly people....

But they can only hate those people. They can not allow their hate to transform into actions.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

This is a question about culture. Not sure if this is the best place to discuss this question. So I understand if this needs to be moved



This LGBT movement and push to redefine what a family is, it is being compared to a modern-day civil rights fight equal to what minorities and America saw in the 50s/60s. People always equate the two.


If they are so similar, when American society was reassessing rights and culture, why wasn't this LGBT stuff cleared up then?

If it is the exact same thing?


Why did it take you bleeding heart liberals till 10 years ago to start fighting this issue/caring about this issue?

What makes you think the issue of civil rights has been 'resolved'?

Black, Hispanic, and gay Americans are still struggling today to realize their comprehensive civil rights against the fear and hatred exhibited by most on the right.