If the GOP was running a candidate with....

[Conservative65]

...as much SCANDAL surrounding them as Hillary has, their 'politics of personal destruction' and media would be unmerifully crucifying them right now and would be demanding they drop out.

If a member of the GOP openly declared they were a member of the Socialist party they would demonize them for it....while the Democrats quietly embrace it within their own ranks. 10 years ago there is no way in hell an American would give a Socialist a 2nd thought...but I guess they have gotten used to it the last 7 years.

While the GOP candidates may not be the BEST choices, they are a far better choice than a lying, deceitful, failed, self-serving, scandal-plagued, power-hungry failure and an old self-proclaimed Socialist apostle of Saul Alynski that the Democrats are running as the best their party has to offer.

The news media failed to vet Obama properly and we ended up with the worst president in history. They are similarly silent on Sanders, failing to note the taxes needed to pay for his largesse would bankrupt the middle class. But reporters these days are idiots. They are propaganda machines, not much more.

Obama will end up near or at the top. Saddled with GOP economic and foreign policy disasters and the GOP trying to bring down the country the entire time Obama has been president. He has managed to track down and kill the worst terrorist in US history and to minimize GOP damage to both the country and the world.

And Hillary has defeated the Republican Party since she was first lady. Finally, the Republicans admitted they were using the deaths of four Americans for political reasons. Such disgusting people to do such a nasty thing.

He's already on near if not at the top of most people's shit list.

 

[TNHarley]

Socialism is terrible. How does Sanders plan on paying for all his shit? Pull a France or something? Fuck him
I LOVE me some capitalism. But any reasonable capitalist KNOWS that without some "social democracy" shit will hit the fan. Capitalists recognize something that the left doesn't even consider; human nature
Capitalism is what drives people to come here.
Capitalism made America great.
Capitalism will keep America great if the lazy fucks who cant wipe their own ass will back off.
More socialist leaning countries always lack something. Whether it be the ability to protect themselves, they don't accept immigrants etc. I would guess that is something else the left doesn't consider much.. It is all emotion.

TN,
I don't believe anyone on the left is saying ban all capitalism (unlike some on the right)... Capitalism has its definite place and can run some things way better than the government.

Things that are needed like infrastructure are best left to the Government. Take for example broadband access (it a newbie), it is the common good that everyone has access to it... Is that going to be by private or public... In cities that's a no brainer private can do it very well but how about rural... Now you are in a case of common good for the profits from the city to help rural or should the government contract someone to do it?

At the moment the rural is being left behind and people need to move into the city and thus clog up and already clogged up place..

That is the question...

I believe the government should be involved (like the do for roads) and provide nearly all with a good broadband(within reason, just like roads) and some would say let the market decide...

It is a balancing act, no absolute right or wrong... But if high speed broadband comes to a small town then overall community could be enhanced. While the individual cost/ROI of that broadband might not be substantiated by broadband charges alone.

Good reasonable post.
Basic government services were outlined in the constitution. Nobody complains about those..
Internet? private.
think about how shitty our government is. Do you really want them to control that? Hell man, they already have google and apple by the strings. That's like Snowden saying the NSA is paying more attention to our "porn habits" than doing their UNconstitutional duty of spying on terrorists
I live in the middle of nowhere and I have fast wifi for 45 dollars a month. That includes a landline with long distance. There is also satellite which can pick up pretty much anywhere.

What basic government services are outlined in the Constitution?

Hey conservative
taxes and spending clause

That's a process not a service.

A process? What do you mean?

 

[Conservative65]

TN,
I don't believe anyone on the left is saying ban all capitalism (unlike some on the right)... Capitalism has its definite place and can run some things way better than the government.

Things that are needed like infrastructure are best left to the Government. Take for example broadband access (it a newbie), it is the common good that everyone has access to it... Is that going to be by private or public... In cities that's a no brainer private can do it very well but how about rural... Now you are in a case of common good for the profits from the city to help rural or should the government contract someone to do it?

At the moment the rural is being left behind and people need to move into the city and thus clog up and already clogged up place..

That is the question...

I believe the government should be involved (like the do for roads) and provide nearly all with a good broadband(within reason, just like roads) and some would say let the market decide...

It is a balancing act, no absolute right or wrong... But if high speed broadband comes to a small town then overall community could be enhanced. While the individual cost/ROI of that broadband might not be substantiated by broadband charges alone.

Good reasonable post.
Basic government services were outlined in the constitution. Nobody complains about those..
Internet? private.
think about how shitty our government is. Do you really want them to control that? Hell man, they already have google and apple by the strings. That's like Snowden saying the NSA is paying more attention to our "porn habits" than doing their UNconstitutional duty of spying on terrorists
I live in the middle of nowhere and I have fast wifi for 45 dollars a month. That includes a landline with long distance. There is also satellite which can pick up pretty much anywhere.

What basic government services are outlined in the Constitution?

Hey conservative
taxes and spending clause

That's a process not a service.

A process? What do you mean?

The manner in which you go about doing something.

A service is the something.

 

[Stephanie]

The democrat party knows they can get away with this with their base of voters

so they will continue to walk over them.

this is what the rest of us the country is up against. People who doesn't care about the corruption, the liars, the slimy of their candidates. all they want is TO WIN
party over country for many of them. as you see with Hillary it's the same thing for her. she doesn't care about anyone

 

[Wildman]

The news media failed to vet Obama properly...

THEY DID NOT WANT TO!!!

the commie media wanted one of their own kind, plus, a mulatto muslime!! on top of it all.

 

[TNHarley]

Good reasonable post.
Basic government services were outlined in the constitution. Nobody complains about those..
Internet? private.
think about how shitty our government is. Do you really want them to control that? Hell man, they already have google and apple by the strings. That's like Snowden saying the NSA is paying more attention to our "porn habits" than doing their UNconstitutional duty of spying on terrorists
I live in the middle of nowhere and I have fast wifi for 45 dollars a month. That includes a landline with long distance. There is also satellite which can pick up pretty much anywhere.

What basic government services are outlined in the Constitution?

Hey conservative
taxes and spending clause

That's a process not a service.

A process? What do you mean?

The manner in which you go about doing something.

A service is the something.

LOL ok?
Go read the federalist papers. Specifically Alexander Hamilton.

 

[Wildman]

more ridiculous whining from the right.

... ..... and

 

[Conservative65]

What basic government services are outlined in the Constitution?

Hey conservative
taxes and spending clause

That's a process not a service.

A process? What do you mean?

The manner in which you go about doing something.

A service is the something.

LOL ok?
Go read the federalist papers. Specifically Alexander Hamilton.

Already have. Constantly taxing people and spending more than we have is a disservice.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

What basic government services are outlined in the Constitution?

Hey conservative
taxes and spending clause

That's a process not a service.

A process? What do you mean?

The manner in which you go about doing something.

A service is the something.

LOL ok?
Go read the federalist papers. Specifically Alexander Hamilton.

If we did it Hamilton's way, the Federal government would hold all power and the states would have none.

 

[Conservative65]

Hey conservative
taxes and spending clause

That's a process not a service.

A process? What do you mean?

The manner in which you go about doing something.

A service is the something.

LOL ok?
Go read the federalist papers. Specifically Alexander Hamilton.

If we did it Hamilton's way, the Federal government would hold all power and the states would have none.

That's the way the big government Liberals want it.

 

[TNHarley]

Hey conservative
taxes and spending clause

That's a process not a service.

A process? What do you mean?

The manner in which you go about doing something.

A service is the something.

LOL ok?
Go read the federalist papers. Specifically Alexander Hamilton.

Already have. Constantly taxing people and spending more than we have is a disservice.

im not disagreeing with that. Roads, bridges police etc are basic services that add to the general welfare

 

[TNHarley]

Hey conservative
taxes and spending clause

That's a process not a service.

A process? What do you mean?

The manner in which you go about doing something.

A service is the something.

LOL ok?
Go read the federalist papers. Specifically Alexander Hamilton.

If we did it Hamilton's way, the Federal government would hold all power and the states would have none.

It's not tyranny we desire; it's a just, limited, federal government--- alexander Hamilton

 

[Conservative65]

That's a process not a service.

A process? What do you mean?

The manner in which you go about doing something.

A service is the something.

LOL ok?
Go read the federalist papers. Specifically Alexander Hamilton.

If we did it Hamilton's way, the Federal government would hold all power and the states would have none.

It's not tyranny we desire; it's a just, limited, federal government--- alexander Hamilton

Depends on how you define limited. Many today say the federal government doesn't have enough authority because it's LIMITED. We call them Progressive/Liberals.

 

[Stephanie]

That's a process not a service.

A process? What do you mean?

The manner in which you go about doing something.

A service is the something.

LOL ok?
Go read the federalist papers. Specifically Alexander Hamilton.

Already have. Constantly taxing people and spending more than we have is a disservice.

im not disagreeing with that. Roads, bridges police etc are basic services that add to the general welfare

yeah sure. so dishonest.
We pay State taxes for that and Federal Gas tax that is also suppose to be for those things. where's all that gas tax money going?

 

[TNHarley]

A process? What do you mean?

The manner in which you go about doing something.

A service is the something.

LOL ok?
Go read the federalist papers. Specifically Alexander Hamilton.

If we did it Hamilton's way, the Federal government would hold all power and the states would have none.

It's not tyranny we desire; it's a just, limited, federal government--- alexander Hamilton

Depends on how you define limited. Many today say the federal government doesn't have enough authority because it's LIMITED. We call them Progressive/Liberals.

Then they are damn fools. 3/4 of the govt isn't constitutional.
That always arises a question. Wouldn't it be easier to just move to a shitty European country than to diminish our nation? I mean, this country was started for a fuckin reason.. To leave that shit.

 

[Conservative65]

there are more failing and strugging european socialist democracies then successful ones.

libs are losers who lie to themselves

Some get it right some get it wrong but name a country which has no socialist programs which are successful. Name a country which has no government education program which is successful.

more moronic relativist arguments. we have more government programs that fail then ones that are successful.

the so-called entitlement programs have OVER $100 TRILLION IN UNFUNDED MANDATE LIABILITIES

Honestly, can't really answer that without some actual facts...

So list the entitlement programs you deem a failure and you want cut...

Could you put a value against them so we can see the savings as well.

SS, Medicare and Medicaid will have to be reformed or they cant survive. most honest people are able to admit this.

Medicaid in particular can be cut since it is the most waste and fraud-ridden of the programs

So what is your plan to do with people who need Medical care and can't afford it?

Send them to the bleeding hearts.

 

[Conservative65]

more moronic relativist arguments. we have more government programs that fail then ones that are successful.

the so-called entitlement programs have OVER $100 TRILLION IN UNFUNDED MANDATE LIABILITIES

Honestly, can't really answer that without some actual facts...

So list the entitlement programs you deem a failure and you want cut...

Could you put a value against them so we can see the savings as well.

SS, Medicare and Medicaid will have to be reformed or they cant survive. most honest people are able to admit this.

Medicaid in particular can be cut since it is the most waste and fraud-ridden of the programs

So what is your plan to do with people who need Medical care and can't afford it?

direct subsidies

So you want to pay for it anyway...

If you see someone without the ability to pay and deem it a need, pay their bill. If I see the same, I'll do the same. I won't say who you should help and all I ask is the same courtesy in return.

 

[TNHarley]

What is dishonest Stephanie?

 

[easyt65]

Obama will end up near or at the top. Saddled with GOP economic and foreign policy disasters and the GOP trying to bring down the country the entire time Obama has been president. He has managed to track down and kill the worst terrorist in US history and to minimize GOP damage to both the country and the world.

In my best Yoda voice: "DELUSION is STRONG with this one."

1. Saddled with 'GOP Economic Policy'
- Liberals took over both the House and Senate the last 2 years of Bush's term in office, meaning THEY controlled the purse strings. The Democrats were 2 -3 seats shy of holding a Super Majority control of Congress. (They claim despite that massive majority they were 'blocked' by the minority GOP...yet they also claim they NEVER blocked the GOP with the House under GOP control...even though Reid refused to let over 100 bills passed in the House even come to the floor of the Senate for DISCUSSION.) Even LIBERALS point out that the economy started going south the LAST 2 YEARS of the Bush administration. The Liberals held this massive majority all the way through the end of Obama's 1st 2 years in office. The economic decline Obama whines about having 'inherited' was NOT left to him by Bush but was instead HANDED to him by his own party that held the purse string the last 2 years Bush was in office and during his 1st 2 years in office!

Obama's 1st major economic bill that impacted the economy was the disastrously FAILED Stimulus bill that contained over 7,000 pieces of DNC-Only pork, lost $500 MILLION to failed Solyndra and millions more to 12 other failed 'Green Energy' companies his donors had invested in, FAILED to prevent 'immediate' jobs he promised, FAILED to keep unemployment below 6% right away (it went up to 10%) as promised, and ended up costing tax payers OVER $742,000 PER JOB he CLAIMED to have 'created / saved'! Other FAILED economic 'ventures' included Giving millions to a terrorist organization (HAMAS) that had just launched thousands of missiles into the country of our ally Israel, arming Mexican Drug Cartels, Funding and arming the Muslim Brotherhood, arming and taking the country to war to help Al Qaeida take over Libya, and running guns out of Benghazi to Syrian Rebels who eventually turned into ISIS! These weren't GOP Economic Policies' or Spending Programs!

Obama in his 1st 2 years (with DNC Control of Congress) set 'MONTHLY', 'ANNUAL', and 'TOTAL' US Deficit-Spending Records on the way to adding OVER $6 TRILLION in new debt in ONLY 4 Years (compared to the $4 Trillion in new debt over 8 years, with Liberal help his last 2 years in office during which $2 of that $4 Trillion was spent!). Obama added more debt than EVERY US President COMBINED, and contributed to his log infamous list of '1sts' by securing the 1st National Credit Rating Down-Grade in US History!

2. 'GOP's Foreign Policy'?

- Fast and Furious? Bush REJECTED that plan because he KNEW the weapons could not be secured / recovered once in the hands of Mexican Drug Cartels. The 'green light' to go ahead with this MORONIC plan was all on Obama and resulted in over 350 deaths (and counting) to include a US BPA and a US military member - ALL ONAMA

- Assisting the Muslim Brotherhood take over the govt of our ally Egypt - ALL OBAMA.

- Arming Libyan rebels who had been hiring Jihadists to go kill Americans in Afghanistan and Iraq just so they could fight Qadaffi - ALL OBAMA!

- Taking the nation to war on his own without Congressional approval to help Al Qaeida take over their own country - Libya - ALL OBAMA!

- Running weapons out of Benghazi to Syrian Rebels who eventually turned into ISIS and flooded into Iraq un-opposed to take over the nation liberated at great expense by our military and entrusted to him to protect by Bush - ALL OBAMA!

- 20 simultaneous US Embassy attacks, 4 overrun, and 4 dead Americans to include the 1st US Ambassador to be assassinated in over 30 years - ALL OBAMA!

- Hiring an Al Qaeida-associated militia to protect a NOW DEAD Ambassador Stevens - ALL OBAMA!

- Syrian 'Red Line' cowardice / inaction - ALL OBAMA!

- Failure to do anything to honor US promise to the Ukraine that we would defend and protect its sovereignty (yet Putin takes Crimea with no effort) - ALL OBAMA!

- Failure to prevent a terrorist attack on US soil after being warned by Russia/Putin in time to stop it (Boston Bombing) - ALL Obama!

- Violating the Constitution by by-passing Congress and violating Federal Law HE signed into law to make a treasonous' Iranian deal that guarantees a nuclear arms race in the middle east, all but ensures Iran will get nukes, and endangers our allies in the Middle East...while Iran calls for the death of Israel and the US - ALL OBAMA!

- Spending MILLIONS to militarily train and arm 6 (SIX) Syrians to fight the Assad regime only to have 5 convert to ISIS (taking their weapons/gear/training with them) and Putin killing the other one as he destroys the rebels fighting Assad - ALL OBAMA!

And that's not even ALL of it.......

LET THE INSANE, DELUSIONAL DENIAL, JUSTIFICATIONS, AND RANTS BEGIN....

 

[Maryland Patriot]

A process? What do you mean?

The manner in which you go about doing something.

A service is the something.

LOL ok?
Go read the federalist papers. Specifically Alexander Hamilton.

Already have. Constantly taxing people and spending more than we have is a disservice.

im not disagreeing with that. Roads, bridges police etc are basic services that add to the general welfare

yeah sure. so dishonest.
We pay State taxes for that and Federal Gas tax that is also suppose to be for those things. where's all that gas tax money going?

Where does it go? public transportation (more free or reduced price stuff for the non-producers) and roads that go nowhere. Then it also gets skimmed to pay for social services.
or maybe that's just Maryland.