If the GOP was running a candidate with....

[bedowin62]

GOP - a party of "victims."

at this point you're simply laughable

Sorry Bedowin, you can't afford to laugh at anyone.. You post insults and incoherent arguments for not just this thread but many before...

You usually loose and then resort to straight out insults... Look you have been embarrassed in this thread again adn we are just waiting for the usual insult...

The way I look at that and the way you should look at your posts... If you were in a debating contest you would have been thrown out... You can just insult people, you would be asked to back up you claims with actual facts and evidence and it is expected that when your claims are rebuffed using evidence that choosing to ignore is admitting defeat.

i havent lost anything. you're universally recognized as a clown on these boards. no that isnt a laughing matter

You see, no addressing the actual discussion just insulting..

i'm stating a fact. if i asked for a show of posts if you're a clown what do you think would happen???

 

[CowboyTed]

GOP - a party of "victims."

at this point you're simply laughable

Sorry Bedowin, you can't afford to laugh at anyone.. You post insults and incoherent arguments for not just this thread but many before...

You usually loose and then resort to straight out insults... Look you have been embarrassed in this thread again adn we are just waiting for the usual insult...

The way I look at that and the way you should look at your posts... If you were in a debating contest you would have been thrown out... You can just insult people, you would be asked to back up you claims with actual facts and evidence and it is expected that when your claims are rebuffed using evidence that choosing to ignore is admitting defeat.

i have backed up what i posted. it's laughable for somebody like you to want to lecture me; seeing as you're crying about not backing things up when in reality you simply ignored the facts presented

You have two types of posts:

• One which involves insults and then an unsubstantiated rant.
• A post from some page

This is not a way to present an argument. Thing back to a debate...

By the way I never disputed the costs of Medicare or Medicaid. So why are posting articles about it?

 

[bedowin62]

GOP - a party of "victims."

at this point you're simply laughable

Sorry Bedowin, you can't afford to laugh at anyone.. You post insults and incoherent arguments for not just this thread but many before...

You usually loose and then resort to straight out insults... Look you have been embarrassed in this thread again adn we are just waiting for the usual insult...

The way I look at that and the way you should look at your posts... If you were in a debating contest you would have been thrown out... You can just insult people, you would be asked to back up you claims with actual facts and evidence and it is expected that when your claims are rebuffed using evidence that choosing to ignore is admitting defeat.

i have backed up what i posted. it's laughable for somebody like you to want to lecture me; seeing as you're crying about not backing things up when in reality you simply ignored the facts presented

You have two types of posts:

• One which involves insults and then an unsubstantiated rant.
• A post from some page

This is not a way to present an argument. Thing back to a debate...

By the way I never disputed the costs of Medicare or Medicaid. So why are posting articles about it?

because clowns like you use hyperbole to portray ANY cuts as "starving" people. you JUST DID IT YOURSELF

ur a joke

 

[CowboyTed]

there are more failing and strugging european socialist democracies then successful ones.

libs are losers who lie to themselves

Some get it right some get it wrong but name a country which has no socialist programs which are successful. Name a country which has no government education program which is successful.

more moronic relativist arguments. we have more government programs that fail then ones that are successful.

the so-called entitlement programs have OVER $100 TRILLION IN UNFUNDED MANDATE LIABILITIES

Honestly, can't really answer that without some actual facts...

So list the entitlement programs you deem a failure and you want cut...

Could you put a value against them so we can see the savings as well.

SS, Medicare and Medicaid will have to be reformed or they cant survive. most honest people are able to admit this.

Medicaid in particular can be cut since it is the most waste and fraud-ridden of the programs

So what is your plan to do with people who need Medical care and can't afford it?

 

[CowboyTed]

Some get it right some get it wrong but name a country which has no socialist programs which are successful. Name a country which has no government education program which is successful.

more moronic relativist arguments. we have more government programs that fail then ones that are successful.

the so-called entitlement programs have OVER $100 TRILLION IN UNFUNDED MANDATE LIABILITIES

Honestly, can't really answer that without some actual facts...

So list the entitlement programs you deem a failure and you want cut...

Could you put a value against them so we can see the savings as well.

Medicare by the Scary Numbers - Wall Street Journal
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Jun 24, 2013 - The unfunded liability in Medicare, the trustees tell us, is $34 trillion over ... Office in June 2012, the long-term shortfall is more than $100 trillion

So you want to totally defund Medicare and let old people die in agony...

Please run on that platform.

and to think; just a few minutes ago you accused me of not being a serious debater!!

lol; try another straw man leftard!

Actually I didn't say that.. I said if conducted yourself in a debate the way you have you would have been thrown out.
I don't know if you understand any debate rules but insulting the opposition is considered an admission of defeat. It shows that you can't actually tackle the subject and have to resort to insults like a child would.

I am asking you for an alternative plan to Medicare and Medicaid...

 

[bedowin62]

more moronic relativist arguments. we have more government programs that fail then ones that are successful.

the so-called entitlement programs have OVER $100 TRILLION IN UNFUNDED MANDATE LIABILITIES

Honestly, can't really answer that without some actual facts...

So list the entitlement programs you deem a failure and you want cut...

Could you put a value against them so we can see the savings as well.

Medicare by the Scary Numbers - Wall Street Journal
www.wsj.com/.../SB1000142412788732339380...

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Jun 24, 2013 - The unfunded liability in Medicare, the trustees tell us, is $34 trillion over ... Office in June 2012, the long-term shortfall is more than $100 trillion

So you want to totally defund Medicare and let old people die in agony...

Please run on that platform.

and to think; just a few minutes ago you accused me of not being a serious debater!!

lol; try another straw man leftard!

Actually I didn't say that.. I said if conducted yourself in a debate the way you have you would have been thrown out.
I don't know if you understand any debate rules but insulting the opposition is considered an admission of defeat. It shows that you can't actually tackle the subject and have to resort to insults like a child would.

I am asking you for an alternative plan to Medicare and Medicaid...

making it voluntary is an alternate plan.

 

[bedowin62]

there are more failing and strugging european socialist democracies then successful ones.

libs are losers who lie to themselves

Some get it right some get it wrong but name a country which has no socialist programs which are successful. Name a country which has no government education program which is successful.

more moronic relativist arguments. we have more government programs that fail then ones that are successful.

the so-called entitlement programs have OVER $100 TRILLION IN UNFUNDED MANDATE LIABILITIES

Honestly, can't really answer that without some actual facts...

So list the entitlement programs you deem a failure and you want cut...

Could you put a value against them so we can see the savings as well.

SS, Medicare and Medicaid will have to be reformed or they cant survive. most honest people are able to admit this.

Medicaid in particular can be cut since it is the most waste and fraud-ridden of the programs

So what is your plan to do with people who need Medical care and can't afford it?

direct subsidies

 

[easyt65]

Great, you're both great debaters....debating something completely off topic....but great debaters.

 

[CowboyTed]

Socialism is terrible. How does Sanders plan on paying for all his shit? Pull a France or something? Fuck him
I LOVE me some capitalism. But any reasonable capitalist KNOWS that without some "social democracy" shit will hit the fan. Capitalists recognize something that the left doesn't even consider; human nature
Capitalism is what drives people to come here.
Capitalism made America great.
Capitalism will keep America great if the lazy fucks who cant wipe their own ass will back off.
More socialist leaning countries always lack something. Whether it be the ability to protect themselves, they don't accept immigrants etc. I would guess that is something else the left doesn't consider much.. It is all emotion.

TN,
I don't believe anyone on the left is saying ban all capitalism (unlike some on the right)... Capitalism has its definite place and can run some things way better than the government.

Things that are needed like infrastructure are best left to the Government. Take for example broadband access (it a newbie), it is the common good that everyone has access to it... Is that going to be by private or public... In cities that's a no brainer private can do it very well but how about rural... Now you are in a case of common good for the profits from the city to help rural or should the government contract someone to do it?

At the moment the rural is being left behind and people need to move into the city and thus clog up and already clogged up place..

That is the question...

I believe the government should be involved (like the do for roads) and provide nearly all with a good broadband(within reason, just like roads) and some would say let the market decide...

It is a balancing act, no absolute right or wrong... But if high speed broadband comes to a small town then overall community could be enhanced. While the individual cost/ROI of that broadband might not be substantiated by broadband charges alone.

 

[CowboyTed]

Some get it right some get it wrong but name a country which has no socialist programs which are successful. Name a country which has no government education program which is successful.

more moronic relativist arguments. we have more government programs that fail then ones that are successful.

the so-called entitlement programs have OVER $100 TRILLION IN UNFUNDED MANDATE LIABILITIES

Honestly, can't really answer that without some actual facts...

So list the entitlement programs you deem a failure and you want cut...

Could you put a value against them so we can see the savings as well.

SS, Medicare and Medicaid will have to be reformed or they cant survive. most honest people are able to admit this.

Medicaid in particular can be cut since it is the most waste and fraud-ridden of the programs

So what is your plan to do with people who need Medical care and can't afford it?

direct subsidies

So you want to pay for it anyway...

 

[TNHarley]

Socialism is terrible. How does Sanders plan on paying for all his shit? Pull a France or something? Fuck him
I LOVE me some capitalism. But any reasonable capitalist KNOWS that without some "social democracy" shit will hit the fan. Capitalists recognize something that the left doesn't even consider; human nature
Capitalism is what drives people to come here.
Capitalism made America great.
Capitalism will keep America great if the lazy fucks who cant wipe their own ass will back off.
More socialist leaning countries always lack something. Whether it be the ability to protect themselves, they don't accept immigrants etc. I would guess that is something else the left doesn't consider much.. It is all emotion.

TN,
I don't believe anyone on the left is saying ban all capitalism (unlike some on the right)... Capitalism has its definite place and can run some things way better than the government.

Things that are needed like infrastructure are best left to the Government. Take for example broadband access (it a newbie), it is the common good that everyone has access to it... Is that going to be by private or public... In cities that's a no brainer private can do it very well but how about rural... Now you are in a case of common good for the profits from the city to help rural or should the government contract someone to do it?

At the moment the rural is being left behind and people need to move into the city and thus clog up and already clogged up place..

That is the question...

I believe the government should be involved (like the do for roads) and provide nearly all with a good broadband(within reason, just like roads) and some would say let the market decide...

It is a balancing act, no absolute right or wrong... But if high speed broadband comes to a small town then overall community could be enhanced. While the individual cost/ROI of that broadband might not be substantiated by broadband charges alone.

Good reasonable post.
Basic government services were outlined in the constitution. Nobody complains about those..
Internet? private.
think about how shitty our government is. Do you really want them to control that? Hell man, they already have google and apple by the strings. That's like Snowden saying the NSA is paying more attention to our "porn habits" than doing their UNconstitutional duty of spying on terrorists
I live in the middle of nowhere and I have fast wifi for 45 dollars a month. That includes a landline with long distance. There is also satellite which can pick up pretty much anywhere.

 

[Misty]

The news media failed to vet Obama properly and we ended up with the worst president in history. They are similarly silent on Sanders, failing to note the taxes needed to pay for his largesse would bankrupt the middle class. But reporters these days are idiots. They are propaganda machines, not much more.

We don't need to bankrupt the middle class- just get the rich to pay their fair share.

the top 1% controls 43% of the wealth. The top 20% control 83% of the wealth.

Meanwhile, the bottom 40% controls less than 1% of the wealth.

Even if the so called "rich" paid 90% of their earnings to the government it still wouldn't make a dent in the debt or pay for all the "free" shit Bernie is promising.

 

[The Rabbi]

The news media failed to vet Obama properly and we ended up with the worst president in history. They are similarly silent on Sanders, failing to note the taxes needed to pay for his largesse would bankrupt the middle class. But reporters these days are idiots. They are propaganda machines, not much more.

We don't need to bankrupt the middle class- just get the rich to pay their fair share.

the top 1% controls 43% of the wealth. The top 20% control 83% of the wealth.

Meanwhile, the bottom 40% controls less than 1% of the wealth.

Even if the so called "rich" paid 90% of their earnings to the government it still wouldn't make a dent in the debt or pay for all the "free" shit Bernie is promising.

You'll have to excuse Joe. He's a worthless POS laid off by his boss, doubtless for constant griping. So he spends his time here blaming Republicans for every ill. And if not them, then rich people. Or corporations. Or someone else. And he is kinda stupid too and cant distinguish between "wealth" and "income".

 

[Misty]

The news media failed to vet Obama properly and we ended up with the worst president in history. They are similarly silent on Sanders, failing to note the taxes needed to pay for his largesse would bankrupt the middle class. But reporters these days are idiots. They are propaganda machines, not much more.

We don't need to bankrupt the middle class- just get the rich to pay their fair share.

the top 1% controls 43% of the wealth. The top 20% control 83% of the wealth.

Meanwhile, the bottom 40% controls less than 1% of the wealth.

Even if the so called "rich" paid 90% of their earnings to the government it still wouldn't make a dent in the debt or pay for all the "free" shit Bernie is promising.

You'll have to excuse Joe. He's a worthless POS laid off by his boss, doubtless for constant griping. So he spends his time here blaming Republicans for every ill. And if not them, then rich people. Or corporations. Or someone else. And he is kinda stupid too and cant distinguish between "wealth" and "income".

If the government really wanted to get more of Hillary and bill gates and warren buffets money they would outlaw foundations. That's the biggest scam ever.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

The news media failed to vet Obama properly and we ended up with the worst president in history. They are similarly silent on Sanders, failing to note the taxes needed to pay for his largesse would bankrupt the middle class. But reporters these days are idiots. They are propaganda machines, not much more.

We don't need to bankrupt the middle class- just get the rich to pay their fair share.

the top 1% controls 43% of the wealth. The top 20% control 83% of the wealth.

Meanwhile, the bottom 40% controls less than 1% of the wealth.

they pay more than there fair share already.
How much do the middle class put toward the bill? how about those that make less? how about the welfare crowd, are they paying their fair share?
Every time the left wants to give something else away for free, they always look at those that don't need the free stuff for the money.
Here is a really interesting idea, how about the poor and middle class either STFU or start paying THEIR fare share.

 

[Conservative65]

Socialism is terrible. How does Sanders plan on paying for all his shit? Pull a France or something? Fuck him
I LOVE me some capitalism. But any reasonable capitalist KNOWS that without some "social democracy" shit will hit the fan. Capitalists recognize something that the left doesn't even consider; human nature
Capitalism is what drives people to come here.
Capitalism made America great.
Capitalism will keep America great if the lazy fucks who cant wipe their own ass will back off.
More socialist leaning countries always lack something. Whether it be the ability to protect themselves, they don't accept immigrants etc. I would guess that is something else the left doesn't consider much.. It is all emotion.

TN,
I don't believe anyone on the left is saying ban all capitalism (unlike some on the right)... Capitalism has its definite place and can run some things way better than the government.

Things that are needed like infrastructure are best left to the Government. Take for example broadband access (it a newbie), it is the common good that everyone has access to it... Is that going to be by private or public... In cities that's a no brainer private can do it very well but how about rural... Now you are in a case of common good for the profits from the city to help rural or should the government contract someone to do it?

At the moment the rural is being left behind and people need to move into the city and thus clog up and already clogged up place..

That is the question...

I believe the government should be involved (like the do for roads) and provide nearly all with a good broadband(within reason, just like roads) and some would say let the market decide...

It is a balancing act, no absolute right or wrong... But if high speed broadband comes to a small town then overall community could be enhanced. While the individual cost/ROI of that broadband might not be substantiated by broadband charges alone.

Good reasonable post.
Basic government services were outlined in the constitution. Nobody complains about those..
Internet? private.
think about how shitty our government is. Do you really want them to control that? Hell man, they already have google and apple by the strings. That's like Snowden saying the NSA is paying more attention to our "porn habits" than doing their UNconstitutional duty of spying on terrorists
I live in the middle of nowhere and I have fast wifi for 45 dollars a month. That includes a landline with long distance. There is also satellite which can pick up pretty much anywhere.

What basic government services are outlined in the Constitution?

 

[TNHarley]

Socialism is terrible. How does Sanders plan on paying for all his shit? Pull a France or something? Fuck him
I LOVE me some capitalism. But any reasonable capitalist KNOWS that without some "social democracy" shit will hit the fan. Capitalists recognize something that the left doesn't even consider; human nature
Capitalism is what drives people to come here.
Capitalism made America great.
Capitalism will keep America great if the lazy fucks who cant wipe their own ass will back off.
More socialist leaning countries always lack something. Whether it be the ability to protect themselves, they don't accept immigrants etc. I would guess that is something else the left doesn't consider much.. It is all emotion.

TN,
I don't believe anyone on the left is saying ban all capitalism (unlike some on the right)... Capitalism has its definite place and can run some things way better than the government.

Things that are needed like infrastructure are best left to the Government. Take for example broadband access (it a newbie), it is the common good that everyone has access to it... Is that going to be by private or public... In cities that's a no brainer private can do it very well but how about rural... Now you are in a case of common good for the profits from the city to help rural or should the government contract someone to do it?

At the moment the rural is being left behind and people need to move into the city and thus clog up and already clogged up place..

That is the question...

I believe the government should be involved (like the do for roads) and provide nearly all with a good broadband(within reason, just like roads) and some would say let the market decide...

It is a balancing act, no absolute right or wrong... But if high speed broadband comes to a small town then overall community could be enhanced. While the individual cost/ROI of that broadband might not be substantiated by broadband charges alone.

Good reasonable post.
Basic government services were outlined in the constitution. Nobody complains about those..
Internet? private.
think about how shitty our government is. Do you really want them to control that? Hell man, they already have google and apple by the strings. That's like Snowden saying the NSA is paying more attention to our "porn habits" than doing their UNconstitutional duty of spying on terrorists
I live in the middle of nowhere and I have fast wifi for 45 dollars a month. That includes a landline with long distance. There is also satellite which can pick up pretty much anywhere.

What basic government services are outlined in the Constitution?

Hey conservative
taxes and spending clause

 

[rdean]

...as much SCANDAL surrounding them as Hillary has, their 'politics of personal destruction' and media would be unmerifully crucifying them right now and would be demanding they drop out.

If a member of the GOP openly declared they were a member of the Socialist party they would demonize them for it....while the Democrats quietly embrace it within their own ranks. 10 years ago there is no way in hell an American would give a Socialist a 2nd thought...but I guess they have gotten used to it the last 7 years.

While the GOP candidates may not be the BEST choices, they are a far better choice than a lying, deceitful, failed, self-serving, scandal-plagued, power-hungry failure and an old self-proclaimed Socialist apostle of Saul Alynski that the Democrats are running as the best their party has to offer.

The news media failed to vet Obama properly and we ended up with the worst president in history. They are similarly silent on Sanders, failing to note the taxes needed to pay for his largesse would bankrupt the middle class. But reporters these days are idiots. They are propaganda machines, not much more.

Obama will end up near or at the top. Saddled with GOP economic and foreign policy disasters and the GOP trying to bring down the country the entire time Obama has been president. He has managed to track down and kill the worst terrorist in US history and to minimize GOP damage to both the country and the world.

And Hillary has defeated the Republican Party since she was first lady. Finally, the Republicans admitted they were using the deaths of four Americans for political reasons. Such disgusting people to do such a nasty thing.

 

[thanatos144]

CCJ, if you were being honest, you would admit it to be true. This is probably the worse candidate offering by a party at least in the modern age, if not ever - a treasonous criminal and a Socialist....WOW. And that's the BEST the DNC has to offer.....

He is a leftist he doesn't know how

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[Conservative65]

Socialism is terrible. How does Sanders plan on paying for all his shit? Pull a France or something? Fuck him
I LOVE me some capitalism. But any reasonable capitalist KNOWS that without some "social democracy" shit will hit the fan. Capitalists recognize something that the left doesn't even consider; human nature
Capitalism is what drives people to come here.
Capitalism made America great.
Capitalism will keep America great if the lazy fucks who cant wipe their own ass will back off.
More socialist leaning countries always lack something. Whether it be the ability to protect themselves, they don't accept immigrants etc. I would guess that is something else the left doesn't consider much.. It is all emotion.

TN,
I don't believe anyone on the left is saying ban all capitalism (unlike some on the right)... Capitalism has its definite place and can run some things way better than the government.

Things that are needed like infrastructure are best left to the Government. Take for example broadband access (it a newbie), it is the common good that everyone has access to it... Is that going to be by private or public... In cities that's a no brainer private can do it very well but how about rural... Now you are in a case of common good for the profits from the city to help rural or should the government contract someone to do it?

At the moment the rural is being left behind and people need to move into the city and thus clog up and already clogged up place..

That is the question...

I believe the government should be involved (like the do for roads) and provide nearly all with a good broadband(within reason, just like roads) and some would say let the market decide...

It is a balancing act, no absolute right or wrong... But if high speed broadband comes to a small town then overall community could be enhanced. While the individual cost/ROI of that broadband might not be substantiated by broadband charges alone.

Good reasonable post.
Basic government services were outlined in the constitution. Nobody complains about those..
Internet? private.
think about how shitty our government is. Do you really want them to control that? Hell man, they already have google and apple by the strings. That's like Snowden saying the NSA is paying more attention to our "porn habits" than doing their UNconstitutional duty of spying on terrorists
I live in the middle of nowhere and I have fast wifi for 45 dollars a month. That includes a landline with long distance. There is also satellite which can pick up pretty much anywhere.

What basic government services are outlined in the Constitution?

Hey conservative
taxes and spending clause

That's a process not a service.