If liberals would shut the fuck up about guns they'd never lose another election.

[Confounding]

You love seeing bodies of children piling up.

Oh, you're one of those guys.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

And who decides whether background checks are constitutional?

That was decided in 1791, when an amendment to the Constitution was ratified which affirms that the people have a right to keep and bear arms, and which forbids government from infringing this right.

 

[Confounding]

You would have thought that the stupid Liberals would have learned in 1994 when Slick Willy lost his Democrat Congress because of the Assault Weapons Ban that gun control was a losing issue. Slick Willy even said so himself that the filthy gun control issue was the cause of the Republican Congress being elected.

Crooked Hillary ran on a platform demonizing the NRA and advocating stricter gun control laws and look what happen to that bitch.

Except in the deepest vile Moon Bat shithole voting districts of Florida a Democrats knows they can't win advocating the curtailment of a Constitutional right. It is that way in many other states.

Democrats are idiots trying to advocate taking away one of the fundamental rights that this country was founded upon. Of course these are the same asshole that usually run on a platform to increase taxes so go figure.

To be fair there are issues the right could drop that would allow them to decimate the left entirely. I don't know. Sometimes it seems like neither side is smart enough to win.

 

[basquebromance]

the world of the 2nd amendment is unrecognizable.

a world where every white American man served in the military for his entire adult life, where those citizen soldiers bought their own military weapons and stored them at home, and where the idea of a US army would be enough to send patriots to grab their musket.

when the militias evaporated, so did the original meaning of the 2nd amendment.

 

[Flash]

the world of the 2nd amendment is unrecognizable.

a world where every white American man served in the military for his entire adult life, where those citizen soldiers bought their own military weapons and stored them at home, and where the idea of a US army would be enough to send patriots to grab their musket.

when the militias evaporated, so did the original meaning of the 2nd amendment.

You are really confused, aren't you?

The right to keep and bear is just as much a fundamental individual right today as it was 250 years ago. The Supreme Court even said so recently.

 

[Kondor3]

If the Right would speak up in favor of sane Gun Control they would guarantee wins for themselves in 2018 and 2020.

 

[Kondor3]

the world of the 2nd amendment is unrecognizable.

a world where every white American man served in the military for his entire adult life, where those citizen soldiers bought their own military weapons and stored them at home, and where the idea of a US army would be enough to send patriots to grab their musket.

when the militias evaporated, so did the original meaning of the 2nd amendment.

You are really confused, aren't you?

The right to keep and bear is just as much a fundamental individual right today as it was 250 years ago. The Supreme Court even said so recently.

When your right to own a semi-automatic assault rifle and 30-round banana clips, without proper licensing and registration and training and oversight, conflicts with the right of a schoolchild to live, then, phukk your right...

 

[BrokeLoser]

the world of the 2nd amendment is unrecognizable.

a world where every white American man served in the military for his entire adult life, where those citizen soldiers bought their own military weapons and stored them at home, and where the idea of a US army would be enough to send patriots to grab their musket.

when the militias evaporated, so did the original meaning of the 2nd amendment.

No
Simplify the 2nd in your mind...The 2nd empowers citizens with the right to protect themselves and their property...PERIOD.
Our founders were smart mothafuckers, they knew not to limit citizens to X type of firearm...if perpetrators and the like have AR15’s and 308’s so should citizens.

 

[Confounding]

When your right to own a semi-automatic assault rifle and 30-round banana clips, without proper licensing and registration and training and oversight, conflicts with the right of a schoolchild to live, then, phukk your right...

Loose gun laws are not the cause of growing numbers of lunatics. Your solution won't fix the problem.

 

[BluesLegend]

Right, so let's restrict guns so violent lunatics can't kill people with them. I'm sure a few regulations will prevent people bent on carnage from carrying out their plans. It's not like less access to legal guns will simply create a larger black market for them in a country that has a gun for every man, woman and child. Oh wait, yes it will. But surely violent lunatics wouldn't dare break the law and buy guns illegally, right? If you think stricter gun laws will stem the violence in this country you are a complete boob. If you want to stem the violence you need to figure out how to make our culture less violent, and that's not an easy thing to do. We have a violent and warmongering culture. The people here are fucking nuts. Any meaningful solution will probably start with more funding for mental health efforts.

Gun bans and gun control laws are aimed at law abiding gun owners, not the lunatics and criminals. That's why your logical fact based argument is ignored. The left is filled with loathing and hatred for anyone who disagrees with them. They associate gun owners with Republicans and Conservatives, their mortal enemy so they attack guns only because they know its something we enjoy and cherish. Yes they are that petty and small.

 

[Kondor3]

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The way forward on Gun Control
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THE TECHNICAL COMPONENT
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* States continue to administer Owner Licensing and Firearm Registration

* National Firearm Owners Database: background and contact and licensure and criminal and mental health and other vetting data; updated constantly
* National Weapon Registration Database: data on every firearm in the country
* National Firearm Transaction Database: data on every sale, transfer, gifting, inheritance or other possession of a firearm; each transfer has a Transaction Number

* All three databases (Owners, Weapon and Transaction) capable of handling bulk uploads of data from law enforcement, manufacturers, retailers, healthcare, etc.

* National Firearm Owner and Weapon Query System: utilizes all three databases for a wide variety of licensing and registration and vetting processes.
* Query System has three levels of access: (1) government level, (2) civilian firearm transaction level, (3) general public access [FOIA, etc]

* National Firearm Owner Licensing Approval System: utilizes the Query System to grant or deny Approval for any State to grant a License to any applicant
* Owner Approval System provides detailed reason(s) for declining License at Level (1)[above]; only shows general declination data for Levels (2) and (3)
* Every License issued by any State must be Input and Approved and incorporate Federal Approval No. on the License and supporting paperwork

* National Firearm Transaction Approval System: utilizes the Query System to grant or deny Approval for the sale or transfer of any firearm
* Transaction Approval System provides detailed reason(s) for declining Transaction at Level 1; only shows general declination data for Levels (2) and (3)
* Every Transaction by any business or individual must be input and Approved and paperwork issued which includes the Federal Transaction No.

* Law enforcement at all levels must input mandated types of corporate and personal lawbreaking to the Owners (and, sometimes, Registration) database(s)
* Healthcare professionals must input mandate types of behaviors and diagnoses and treatment to the Owners database

* The Owners Database must contain and sustain safeguards to make it compliant with HIPPA, etc., as amended by the needs of Law Enforcement

* States either abandon their existing databases and use the Federal one or they build data-bridge/query interfaces between theirs and Federal systems

* Other related measures as indicated

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THE POLITICAL COMPONENT:
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* Repeal the Second Amendment
* Replace it with a Twenty-Eighth Amendment

Purpose: wipe-away any remaining Constitutional barrier to (1) sane gun-control and (2) archaic references to popular militias as the rationale for firearms, while (3) guaranteeing an inviolable right to keep and bear arms, subject to reasonable controls which society at-large can agree do as a compromise position.

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* Put real teeth into enforcement of related Federal law and standards; aimed at both States and Individuals who violate same

 

[Kondor3]

When your right to own a semi-automatic assault rifle and 30-round banana clips, without proper licensing and registration and training and oversight, conflicts with the right of a schoolchild to live, then, phukk your right...

Loose gun laws are not the cause of growing numbers of lunatics. Your solution won't fix the problem.

Entirely true... if won't reduce the growing number of lunatics.

But putting nationwide standards and enforcement into play to reduce the number of lunatics who possess firearms is an achievable outcome.

One that is well worth the price tag and the effort.

 

[bodecea]

Right, so let's restrict guns so violent lunatics can't kill people with them. I'm sure a few regulations will prevent people bent on carnage from carrying out their plans. It's not like less access to legal guns will simply create a larger black market for them in a country that has a gun for every man, woman and child. Oh wait, yes it will. But surely violent lunatics wouldn't dare break the law and buy guns illegally, right? If you think stricter gun laws will stem the violence in this country you are a complete boob. If you want to stem the violence you need to figure out how to make our culture less violent, and that's not an easy thing to do. We have a violent and warmongering culture. The people here are fucking nuts. Any meaningful solution will probably start with more funding for mental health efforts.

Same about Republicans and abortion.

 

[Kondor3]

Right, so let's restrict guns so violent lunatics can't kill people with them. I'm sure a few regulations will prevent people bent on carnage from carrying out their plans. It's not like less access to legal guns will simply create a larger black market for them in a country that has a gun for every man, woman and child. Oh wait, yes it will. But surely violent lunatics wouldn't dare break the law and buy guns illegally, right? If you think stricter gun laws will stem the violence in this country you are a complete boob. If you want to stem the violence you need to figure out how to make our culture less violent, and that's not an easy thing to do. We have a violent and warmongering culture. The people here are fucking nuts. Any meaningful solution will probably start with more funding for mental health efforts.

Gun bans and gun control laws are aimed at law abiding gun owners, not the lunatics and criminals. That's why your logical fact based argument is ignored. The left is filled with loathing and hatred for anyone who disagrees with them. They associate gun owners with Republicans and Conservatives, their mortal enemy so they attack guns only because they know its something we enjoy and cherish. Yes they are that petty and small.

You're running out of time.

Each slaughter of schoolchildren moves the ball further down the field towards Draconian gun control solutions.

And those slaughters of innocents now come with increasing frequency.

Just how much longer are you going to delude yourself (collectively) that a People's Judgment Day can be held back, related to Gun Control?

The time has come to sweep these obstructionist arguments aside and implement sane and reasonable gun controls on a nationwide basis.

Either join the Movement and work from within to control the worst impulses and solutions of the Leftists or be swept aside as popular support reaches tidal proportions.

The more you make excuses... the longer you delay... the more resentment you engender, and the less you'll walk away with in the end, as this comes to a head.

Judgment Day's a'comin with respect to Gun Control... acknowledge the oncoming freight train... don't get run over by it, eh?

Stand up now for sane and reasonable and effective controls, or regret your myopia and lack of vision later if you fail to work now for a healthy compromise.

 

[sealybobo]

Right, so let's restrict guns so violent lunatics can't kill people with them. I'm sure a few regulations will prevent people bent on carnage from carrying out their plans. It's not like less access to legal guns will simply create a larger black market for them in a country that has a gun for every man, woman and child. Oh wait, yes it will. But surely violent lunatics wouldn't dare break the law and buy guns illegally, right? If you think stricter gun laws will stem the violence in this country you are a complete boob. If you want to stem the violence you need to figure out how to make our culture less violent, and that's not an easy thing to do. We have a violent and warmongering culture. The people here are fucking nuts. Any meaningful solution will probably start with more funding for mental health efforts.

Bull. The question is are voters ready to vote for common sense gun regulations?

You keep your position while the electorates views have changes

 

[sealybobo]

The fallacy of the slippery slope argument.

Have the intellectual integrity to admit it damn sure won't stop with background checks.

Stop no but lower the number of attacks yes.

You’re waiting for it to never happen again? That will never happen

 

[Kondor3]

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Some fun on a cold Sunday morning in Illinois:
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Twenty-Eighth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America

Section 1. The second article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.

Section 2. The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Section 3. Law regulating the licensing of firearm owners and operators, the registration and transfer and possession of firearms, and the nature and number of arms which may be kept and borne by individual citizens, shall not be construed as infringement of the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

Section 4. Congress shall make no law which prevents a citizen from keeping and bearing arms permitted under Section 3 except through due process of law as these relate to criminality or professionally certified mental health abnormality or failure to abide by law as stipulated in Section 3.

Section 5. Congress shall have the power to establish standards and systems related to firearms for the regulation and enforcement of such standards and systems, to which the several States shall be obliged to subscribe and adhere.

Section 6. Congress shall have the power to enact laws to enforce these articles.

 

[BluesLegend]

Right, so let's restrict guns so violent lunatics can't kill people with them. I'm sure a few regulations will prevent people bent on carnage from carrying out their plans. It's not like less access to legal guns will simply create a larger black market for them in a country that has a gun for every man, woman and child. Oh wait, yes it will. But surely violent lunatics wouldn't dare break the law and buy guns illegally, right? If you think stricter gun laws will stem the violence in this country you are a complete boob. If you want to stem the violence you need to figure out how to make our culture less violent, and that's not an easy thing to do. We have a violent and warmongering culture. The people here are fucking nuts. Any meaningful solution will probably start with more funding for mental health efforts.

Gun bans and gun control laws are aimed at law abiding gun owners, not the lunatics and criminals. That's why your logical fact based argument is ignored. The left is filled with loathing and hatred for anyone who disagrees with them. They associate gun owners with Republicans and Conservatives, their mortal enemy so they attack guns only because they know its something we enjoy and cherish. Yes they are that petty and small.

You're running out of time.

Each slaughter of schoolchildren moves the ball further down the field towards Draconian gun control solutions.

And those slaughters of innocents now come with increasing frequency.

Just how much longer are you going to delude yourself (collectively) that a People's Judgment Day can be held back, related to Gun Control?

The time has come to sweep these obstructionist arguments aside and implement sane and reasonable gun controls on a nationwide basis.

Either join the Movement and work from within to control the worst impulses and solutions of the Leftists or be swept aside as popular support reaches tidal proportions.

The more you make excuses... the longer you delay... the more resentment you engender, and the less you'll walk away with in the end, as this comes to a head.

Judgment Day's a'comin with respect to Gun Control... acknowledge the oncoming freight train... don't get run over by it, eh?

Stand up now for sane and reasonable and effective controls, or regret your myopia and lack of vision later if you fail to work now for a healthy compromise.

Go ahead, amend the U.S. Constitution fool I'll just be over here waiting for you to never muster the votes to do it. Here I'll laugh in your face now

 

[Kondor3]

Right, so let's restrict guns so violent lunatics can't kill people with them. I'm sure a few regulations will prevent people bent on carnage from carrying out their plans. It's not like less access to legal guns will simply create a larger black market for them in a country that has a gun for every man, woman and child. Oh wait, yes it will. But surely violent lunatics wouldn't dare break the law and buy guns illegally, right? If you think stricter gun laws will stem the violence in this country you are a complete boob. If you want to stem the violence you need to figure out how to make our culture less violent, and that's not an easy thing to do. We have a violent and warmongering culture. The people here are fucking nuts. Any meaningful solution will probably start with more funding for mental health efforts.

Gun bans and gun control laws are aimed at law abiding gun owners, not the lunatics and criminals. That's why your logical fact based argument is ignored. The left is filled with loathing and hatred for anyone who disagrees with them. They associate gun owners with Republicans and Conservatives, their mortal enemy so they attack guns only because they know its something we enjoy and cherish. Yes they are that petty and small.

You're running out of time.

Each slaughter of schoolchildren moves the ball further down the field towards Draconian gun control solutions.

And those slaughters of innocents now come with increasing frequency.

Just how much longer are you going to delude yourself (collectively) that a People's Judgment Day can be held back, related to Gun Control?

The time has come to sweep these obstructionist arguments aside and implement sane and reasonable gun controls on a nationwide basis.

Either join the Movement and work from within to control the worst impulses and solutions of the Leftists or be swept aside as popular support reaches tidal proportions.

The more you make excuses... the longer you delay... the more resentment you engender, and the less you'll walk away with in the end, as this comes to a head.

Judgment Day's a'comin with respect to Gun Control... acknowledge the oncoming freight train... don't get run over by it, eh?

Stand up now for sane and reasonable and effective controls, or regret your myopia and lack of vision later if you fail to work now for a healthy compromise.

Go ahead, amend the U.S. Constitution fool I'll just be over here waiting for you to never muster the votes to do it. Here I'll laugh in your face now

1. Call to cooperation issued.
2. Due diligence satisfied
3. Opposition rejects in toto
4. Now free to proceed with a clear conscience to more Draconian solutions

 

[Kondor3]

Right, so let's restrict guns so violent lunatics can't kill people with them. I'm sure a few regulations will prevent people bent on carnage from carrying out their plans. It's not like less access to legal guns will simply create a larger black market for them in a country that has a gun for every man, woman and child. Oh wait, yes it will. But surely violent lunatics wouldn't dare break the law and buy guns illegally, right? If you think stricter gun laws will stem the violence in this country you are a complete boob. If you want to stem the violence you need to figure out how to make our culture less violent, and that's not an easy thing to do. We have a violent and warmongering culture. The people here are fucking nuts. Any meaningful solution will probably start with more funding for mental health efforts.

Gun bans and gun control laws are aimed at law abiding gun owners, not the lunatics and criminals. That's why your logical fact based argument is ignored. The left is filled with loathing and hatred for anyone who disagrees with them. They associate gun owners with Republicans and Conservatives, their mortal enemy so they attack guns only because they know its something we enjoy and cherish. Yes they are that petty and small.

You're running out of time.

Each slaughter of schoolchildren moves the ball further down the field towards Draconian gun control solutions.

And those slaughters of innocents now come with increasing frequency.

Just how much longer are you going to delude yourself (collectively) that a People's Judgment Day can be held back, related to Gun Control?

The time has come to sweep these obstructionist arguments aside and implement sane and reasonable gun controls on a nationwide basis.

Either join the Movement and work from within to control the worst impulses and solutions of the Leftists or be swept aside as popular support reaches tidal proportions.

The more you make excuses... the longer you delay... the more resentment you engender, and the less you'll walk away with in the end, as this comes to a head.

Judgment Day's a'comin with respect to Gun Control... acknowledge the oncoming freight train... don't get run over by it, eh?

Stand up now for sane and reasonable and effective controls, or regret your myopia and lack of vision later if you fail to work now for a healthy compromise.

Go ahead, amend the U.S. Constitution fool I'll just be over here waiting for you to never muster the votes to do it. Here I'll laugh in your face now

One too many slaughtered innocents will take care of that over time... you simply lack the vision to see it or to understand what you're seeing.