If Jefferson founded Republican Party in 1793, liberalism has no place in our history

[Pogo]

Better than that DUMBASS --

>> Grand New Party

It began in a little schoolhouse in Ripon, Wisconsin, in 1854. A small group of dedicated abolitionists gathered to fight the expansion of slavery, and they gave birth to a Party dedicated to freedom and equal opportunity.
The name “Republican” was chosen, alluding to Thomas Jefferson’s Democratic-Republican Party and conveying a commitment to the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

The Party was formally organized in July 1854 by thousands of anti-slavery activists at a convention in Jackson, Michigan. And it was no accident that two years later, in 1856, the first Republican National Convention took place in Philadelphia, where the Constitution was written. << Source: gop.com <<​

Now pay the fuck up.

But this does not account for Jefferson's party does it? Do you accept the bet as legally binding?

Edwena is gonna keep dodging, ducking and denying that the tip of the foil ever made contact. Something akin to Monty Python's black knight.

Special Ed's new avatar:

 

[JakeStarkey]

But this does not account for Jefferson's party does it? Do you accept the bet as legally binding?

Of course it does not, dear. You finally got something right. You see, the modern Democratic Party evolved from Jefferson's party and the GOP began in 1854.

 

[JWBooth]

But this does not account for Jefferson's party does it? Do you accept the bet as legally binding?

Of course it does not, dear. You finally got something right. You see, the modern Democratic Party evolved from Jefferson's party and the GOP began in 1854.

Edwina has been schooled numerous times on the evolution of both modern parties but, as with the black knight, he refuses to acknowledge when he has been bested and is nothing more than a comic buffoon.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

But this does not account for Jefferson's party does it? Do you accept the bet as legally binding?

It doesn't NEED to account for Jefferson's party any more than September needs to account for April. They're [Jefferson's Republicans and Lincoln's Republicans]not connected..

Not connected?

In 1838 leading Whig politicians selected him[Horace Greely] to edit a major national campaign newspaper, the Jeffersonian, which reached 15,000 circulation


not connected???? "The name &#8220;Republican&#8221; was chosen[by Greely], alluding to Thomas Jefferson&#8217;s Democratic-Republican Party and conveying a commitment to the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Sorry to rock your world,dear.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No, eddy dear, the paper edited by Greely was a Whig publication, foreshadowing the Republican connection sixteen years later, and having nothing to do with the Jeffersonian party or the Democratic Party.

Where did you study, eddy? You are embarrassing yourself.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

No, and no:

so you feel in your liberal heart that Jefferson wanted the purchase to draw people closer to a more powerful central govt? Why?

There were a number of reasons Jefferson wanted Louisiana besides the 3 cents an acre part; the Mississippi River meant, commerce and trade on that river and it meant, New Orleans. Three eighths of our trade went through that port. It was the highlight of Jefferson's presidency.

dear, the question was about Jefferson's thoughts on individual liberty and the purchase. Can you answer the question?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

It's a moot point. Jefferson was the poster child for liberalism in his day.

that is true only if you mean the poster child for freedom from big liberal govt.

 

[Pogo]

But this does not account for Jefferson's party does it? Do you accept the bet as legally binding?

It doesn't NEED to account for Jefferson's party any more than September needs to account for April. They're [Jefferson's Republicans and Lincoln's Republicans]not connected..

Not connected?

In 1838 leading Whig politicians selected him[Horace Greely] to edit a major national campaign newspaper, the Jeffersonian, which reached 15,000 circulation


not connected???? "The name &#8220;Republican&#8221; was chosen[by Greely], alluding to Thomas Jefferson&#8217;s Democratic-Republican Party and conveying a commitment to the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Sorry to rock your world,dear.

In 1838, neither Jefferson's Democratic-Republican Party, nor the current Republican Party, existed. Matter of fact neither did Jefferson himself.

The word "Republican" was already a hundred years old before Jefferson and Madison used it. The fact that two disconnected entities in different times and places employ the same word in no way means they are the same entities.

Trust me, "dear", you haven't rocked anything except my underestimation of the bounds of abject human stupidity.

 

[Pogo]

It's a moot point. Jefferson was the poster child for liberalism in his day.

that is true only if you mean the poster child for freedom from big liberal govt.

That's an oxymoron.

Take off the oxy part and you have a mirror.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Uh-- all the history books in the world. .

well its worth $10,000 if you have one good history book that says that. Is it a bet?

What's a "good" history book, does that mean you have to approve of the book as being good? How about a government book, would that qualify? And how long would it be before you paid the money?

a good history book would be one that used primary sources to show the name of Jefferson's Party in the 18th Century. A newspaper article or Congressional Record would be excellent primary sources.


"In referring to political parties I have adopted the names which the respective parties used in self-designation. Thus the Jeffersonian party has been referred to throughout as the Republican Party. This name came into use early in the 1790's among persons who considered themselves of a common political "interest", and the term "Republican interest" was generally used until it was replaced by the more definite "Republican Party".

The Jeffersonian Republicans( the formation of Party organization (1789-1801) by Noble E. Cunningham,Jr.

Again, welcome to your first lesson in American History

 

[JakeStarkey]

The Jeffersonian Party has been considered throughout the forerunner of the Democratic Party.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

It's a moot point. Jefferson was the poster child for liberalism in his day.

that is true only if you mean the poster child for freedom from big liberal govt.

That's an oxymoron.

Take off the oxy part and you have a mirror.

dear, can you say why its an oxymoron?

liberals spied for Stalin because they hate freedom not beuase they love it. Do you understand?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Conservatives aided Hitler because they hated freedom. Do you understand?

 

[Wry Catcher]

well its worth $10,000 if you have one good history book that says that. Is it a bet?

What's a "good" history book, does that mean you have to approve of the book as being good? How about a government book, would that qualify? And how long would it be before you paid the money?

a good history book would be one that used primary sources to show the name of Jefferson's Party in the 18th Century. A newspaper article or Congressional Record would be excellent primary sources.


"In referring to political parties I have adopted the names which the respective parties used in self-designation. Thus the Jeffersonian party has been referred to throughout as the Republican Party. This name came into use early in the 1790's among persons who considered themselves of a common political "interest", and the term "Republican interest" was generally used until it was replaced by the more definite "Republican Party".

The Jeffersonian Republicans( the formation of Party organization (1789-1801) by Noble E. Cunningham,Jr.

Again, welcome to your first lesson in American History

The Congressional Record is a fiction. It is only a record of what each member of congress chooses to edit and have published.

"In order to get the Record printed and available to members for the next day of business, a daily Record is produced. By custom and by the rules of each House, members can “revise and extend� the remarks they actually made on the floor before the debates are published in the daily Record and in the final Congressional Record. The final, paper-bound Record takes several years to be published."

See: 10. The Congressional Record | The Open House Project

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

What's a "good" history book, does that mean you have to approve of the book as being good? How about a government book, would that qualify? And how long would it be before you paid the money?

a good history book would be one that used primary sources to show the name of Jefferson's Party in the 18th Century. A newspaper article or Congressional Record would be excellent primary sources.


"In referring to political parties I have adopted the names which the respective parties used in self-designation. Thus the Jeffersonian party has been referred to throughout as the Republican Party. This name came into use early in the 1790's among persons who considered themselves of a common political "interest", and the term "Republican interest" was generally used until it was replaced by the more definite "Republican Party".

The Jeffersonian Republicans( the formation of Party organization (1789-1801) by Noble E. Cunningham,Jr.

Again, welcome to your first lesson in American History

The Congressional Record is a fiction. It is only a record of what each member of congress chooses to edit and have published.

"In order to get the Record printed and available to members for the next day of business, a daily Record is produced. By custom and by the rules of each House, members can “revise and extend� the remarks they actually made on the floor before the debates are published in the daily Record and in the final Congressional Record. The final, paper-bound Record takes several years to be published."

See: 10. The Congressional Record | The Open House Project

not true in the 1790's and certainly there was no reason then for them not to know and use the correct names of political parties then. Here's an example:

1)5th Congress (1797-1799)
Majority Party: Federalist (22 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (10 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Total Seats: 32

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6th Congress (1799-1801)

Majority Party: Federalist (22 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (10 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Total Seats: 32

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7th Congress (1801-1803)

Majority Party: Republican (17 seats)

Minority Party: Federalist (15 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Vacant: 2

Total Seats: 34





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On every question of construction carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed.
Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, June 12, 1823

 

[JakeStarkey]

delusional eddy rants on

let's move this to the badlands, please.

 

[Pogo]

well its worth $10,000 if you have one good history book that says that. Is it a bet?

What's a "good" history book, does that mean you have to approve of the book as being good? How about a government book, would that qualify? And how long would it be before you paid the money?

a good history book would be one that used primary sources to show the name of Jefferson's Party in the 18th Century. A newspaper article or Congressional Record would be excellent primary sources.


"In referring to political parties I have adopted the names which the respective parties used in self-designation. Thus the Jeffersonian party has been referred to throughout as the Republican Party. This name came into use early in the 1790's among persons who considered themselves of a common political "interest", and the term "Republican interest" was generally used until it was replaced by the more definite "Republican Party".

The Jeffersonian Republicans( the formation of Party organization (1789-1801) by Noble E. Cunningham,Jr.

Again, welcome to your first lesson in American History

You are a true blind idiot.

Once again, using the same word does not mean it's the same entity. Jefferson's party also used the word "Democratic". For that matter the National Republican Party (1824) used the word Republican and it ceased to exist in 1833. Then there was the American Republican Party, which devolved into the Know Nothings and dissolved by 1860 -- which is six years AFTER today's Republican Party formed. Are you trying to tell the world that there were two Republican Parties for six years that were the same thing? Some kind of "holy trinity" in twos? Moreover I quoted you the history of the Republican Party from the Republican Party's own website confirming the 1854 date. You're saying they're lying about their own history?

Exactly how stupid a hole are you willing to dig here?

Here's the Republican People's Party of Turkey -- same thing as the so-called "GOP"?

Germany has four different parties with the word Democratic in their name. Are we to believe they're all the same party as Jefferson's? With four different philosophies ranging from far left to far right?


Let's dumb it down to a level maybe even your tiny mind might grasp:

This is a Lancer, made by the Dodge division of the Chrysler Corporation, Detroit Michigan, USA:

This is a Lancer, made by the Mitsubishi Corporation of Tokyo, Japan:

Same car, right? Must be the same car -- it has the same name!

By your thread title's logic then:
"If Dodge invented the Lancer in 1955, Japanese cars have no place on our roads".

Idiot.

 

[Pogo]

Interesting found object: world map of perceived perception in national political parties. Check us out:.

Go Morrocco!

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Jefferson's party also used the word "Democratic". ?

I will bet you $10,000 that it did not use the word Democratic in the 18th Century. Bet? Yes or no? 1000 primary sources can confirm or deny this.

So, we have established that Jefferson's Party and the modern version went/go by the name Republican and more importantly both stood for very very limited govt or freedom from big liberal govt.

Are you catching on now?

 

[regent]

Jefferson's party also used the word "Democratic". ?

I will bet you $10,000 that it did not use the word Democratic in the 18th Century. Bet? Yes or no? 1000 primary sources can confirm or deny this.

So, we have established that Jefferson's Party and the modern version went/go by the name Republican and more importantly both stood for very very limited govt or freedom from big liberal govt.

Are you catching on now?

I think it would be more accurate to say the Jeffersonian's were against big conservative government, as Britain's, not big liberal government. When did America have big liberal government until it was allowed under the new liberal Constitution?