If Bush Had Done This.....

[The Rabbi]

At what point do the same people who swore up and down that Bush was turning the US into a police state protest Obama's policies that are far far worse. Torture? No. Killing? Yes.

U.S. to offer legal backing for "targeted killing": source - Yahoo! News

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Obama administration on Monday plans to outline how U.S. laws empower the government to kill Americans overseas who engage in terrorism against their home country, a source familiar with the matter said, months after a drone strike killed a U.S.-born cleric who plotted attacks from Yemen.

Civil liberties groups have been pressuring the administration to offer justification for what has been described as a top-secret "targeted kill" program in which Americans who have joined al Qaeda or other militants are deemed legitimate targets to be killed overseas.

More at the source.

 

[DaGoose]

At what point do the same people who swore up and down that Bush was turning the US into a police state protest Obama's policies that are far far worse. Torture? No. Killing? Yes.

U.S. to offer legal backing for "targeted killing": source - Yahoo! News

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Obama administration on Monday plans to outline how U.S. laws empower the government to kill Americans overseas who engage in terrorism against their home country, a source familiar with the matter said, months after a drone strike killed a U.S.-born cleric who plotted attacks from Yemen.

Civil liberties groups have been pressuring the administration to offer justification for what has been described as a top-secret "targeted kill" program in which Americans who have joined al Qaeda or other militants are deemed legitimate targets to be killed overseas.

More at the source.

I don't know if Bush doing this would make any difference.

Killing terrorist traitors overseas cannot be all bad.

American citizens who are overseas and plan terrorist attacks deserve to lose their citizenship, freedom and even their life.

 

[candycorn]

Perry.

 

[editec]

More partisan nonsense.

Note how this board's partisans are comfortable when their team augments the police state and uncomfortable when their other team does it?

Fools.

 

[The Rabbi]

More partisan nonsense.

Note how this board's partisans are comfortable when their team augments the police state and uncomfortable when their other team does it?

Fools.

Note I didnt express an opinion about it.

 

[Old Rocks]

When someone is actively engaged in violent acts against our nation and it's citizens, we do whatever we can to stop those actions. Doing otherwise is insanity. If that person is under the protection of another nation, then, irregardless of his or her citizenship, we take them out.

President Obama's record on terrorists is excellent. He has effectively dismantled Al Quida, and gotten Bin Laden.

In fact, there is another poster whose sig line is 'Bin Laden is dead, and GM is alive'. That could serve as a re-election slogan for President Obama.

 

[Paulie]

The problem is that the government doesn't just get to SAY someone is planning terrorism and then kill them. That's the whole reason we have a legal system in the first place.

What's to stop them from doing it to ANYONE they deem simply a threat to the status quo? If we're going to accept their word based on top secret information to begin with, and cheer assassinations, they're going to realize they can do it to anyone and get away with it.

This is how totalitarianism becomes reality. We give the government small little advancements over time until one day we wake up and realize we gave them everything.

 

[Sallow]

The problem is that the government doesn't just get to SAY someone is planning terrorism and then kill them. That's the whole reason we have a legal system in the first place.

What's to stop them from doing it to ANYONE they deem simply a threat to the status quo? If we're going to accept their word based on top secret information to begin with, and cheer assassinations, they're going to realize they can do it to anyone and get away with it.

This is how totalitarianism becomes reality. We give the government small little advancements over time until one day we wake up and realize we gave them everything.

Osama Bin Laden was on CNN saying he was at war with the US. The Clinton administration took that very seriously and after the Cole was bombed, put together plans to have special ops take out Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan..and the Republicans balked because the CIA wouldn't confirm Bin Laden's role.

Fast forward to Bush..who completely directed policy to agitate the Russians and Chinese prior to 9/11, despite the fact that the spook world was telling him that Bin Laden was up to something big. Add in this..

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGmnz5Ow-o]Bush: Truly not concerned about bin Laden (short version) - YouTube[/ame]

I got no problem with offing a person that is plotting major terrorist attacks from another country.

 

[Paulie]

The problem is that the government doesn't just get to SAY someone is planning terrorism and then kill them. That's the whole reason we have a legal system in the first place.

What's to stop them from doing it to ANYONE they deem simply a threat to the status quo? If we're going to accept their word based on top secret information to begin with, and cheer assassinations, they're going to realize they can do it to anyone and get away with it.

This is how totalitarianism becomes reality. We give the government small little advancements over time until one day we wake up and realize we gave them everything.

Osama Bin Laden was on CNN saying he was at war with the US. The Clinton administration took that very seriously and after the Cole was bombed, put together plans to have special ops take out Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan..and the Republicans balked because the CIA wouldn't confirm Bin Laden's role.

Fast forward to Bush..who completely directed policy to agitate the Russians and Chinese prior to 9/11, despite the fact that the spook world was telling him that Bin Laden was up to something big. Add in this..

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGmnz5Ow-o]Bush: Truly not concerned about bin Laden (short version) - YouTube[/ame]

I got no problem with offing a person that is plotting major terrorist attacks from another country.

I'm talking about US citizens, first of all.

And why would you be so quick to just accept the government's word that someone is "plotting attacks"?

 

[rightwinger]

Bush would have been applauded for killing that son of a bitch

 

[Trajan]

At what point do the same people who swore up and down that Bush was turning the US into a police state protest Obama's policies that are far far worse. Torture? No. Killing? Yes.

U.S. to offer legal backing for "targeted killing": source - Yahoo! News

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Obama administration on Monday plans to outline how U.S. laws empower the government to kill Americans overseas who engage in terrorism against their home country, a source familiar with the matter said, months after a drone strike killed a U.S.-born cleric who plotted attacks from Yemen.

Civil liberties groups have been pressuring the administration to offer justification for what has been described as a top-secret "targeted kill" program in which Americans who have joined al Qaeda or other militants are deemed legitimate targets to be killed overseas.

More at the source.

I don't know if Bush doing this would make any difference.

Killing terrorist traitors overseas cannot be all bad.

American citizens who are overseas and plan terrorist attacks deserve to lose their citizenship, freedom and even their life.

you hack.

 

[Trajan]

The problem is that the government doesn't just get to SAY someone is planning terrorism and then kill them. That's the whole reason we have a legal system in the first place.

What's to stop them from doing it to ANYONE they deem simply a threat to the status quo? If we're going to accept their word based on top secret information to begin with, and cheer assassinations, they're going to realize they can do it to anyone and get away with it.

This is how totalitarianism becomes reality. We give the government small little advancements over time until one day we wake up and realize we gave them everything.

Osama Bin Laden was on CNN saying he was at war with the US. The Clinton administration took that very seriously and after the Cole was bombed, put together plans to have special ops take out Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan..and the Republicans balked because the CIA wouldn't confirm Bin Laden's role.

Fast forward to Bush..who completely directed policy to agitate the Russians and Chinese prior to 9/11, despite the fact that the spook world was telling him that Bin Laden was up to something big. Add in this..

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGmnz5Ow-o]Bush: Truly not concerned about bin Laden (short version) - YouTube[/ame]

I got no problem with offing a person that is plotting major terrorist attacks from another country.

what an odoriferous hamper of hack ....Rehab didn't take huh? Try again....

 

[Sallow]

The problem is that the government doesn't just get to SAY someone is planning terrorism and then kill them. That's the whole reason we have a legal system in the first place.

What's to stop them from doing it to ANYONE they deem simply a threat to the status quo? If we're going to accept their word based on top secret information to begin with, and cheer assassinations, they're going to realize they can do it to anyone and get away with it.

This is how totalitarianism becomes reality. We give the government small little advancements over time until one day we wake up and realize we gave them everything.

Osama Bin Laden was on CNN saying he was at war with the US. The Clinton administration took that very seriously and after the Cole was bombed, put together plans to have special ops take out Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan..and the Republicans balked because the CIA wouldn't confirm Bin Laden's role.

Fast forward to Bush..who completely directed policy to agitate the Russians and Chinese prior to 9/11, despite the fact that the spook world was telling him that Bin Laden was up to something big. Add in this..

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGmnz5Ow-o]Bush: Truly not concerned about bin Laden (short version) - YouTube[/ame]

I got no problem with offing a person that is plotting major terrorist attacks from another country.

I'm talking about US citizens, first of all.

And why would you be so quick to just accept the government's word that someone is "plotting attacks"?

Because terrorism is not an "abstract" notion for me. I live in NYC. It's a very real issue here.

 

[Big Black Dog]

I miss 'ole George - both of them.

 

[Sallow]

The problem is that the government doesn't just get to SAY someone is planning terrorism and then kill them. That's the whole reason we have a legal system in the first place.

What's to stop them from doing it to ANYONE they deem simply a threat to the status quo? If we're going to accept their word based on top secret information to begin with, and cheer assassinations, they're going to realize they can do it to anyone and get away with it.

This is how totalitarianism becomes reality. We give the government small little advancements over time until one day we wake up and realize we gave them everything.

Osama Bin Laden was on CNN saying he was at war with the US. The Clinton administration took that very seriously and after the Cole was bombed, put together plans to have special ops take out Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan..and the Republicans balked because the CIA wouldn't confirm Bin Laden's role.

Fast forward to Bush..who completely directed policy to agitate the Russians and Chinese prior to 9/11, despite the fact that the spook world was telling him that Bin Laden was up to something big. Add in this..

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGmnz5Ow-o]Bush: Truly not concerned about bin Laden (short version) - YouTube[/ame]

I got no problem with offing a person that is plotting major terrorist attacks from another country.

what an odoriferous hamper of hack ....Rehab didn't take huh? Try again....

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVhhu5OjMf8]Live TV Footage/Coverage of 9/11 (Second Plane hit, Collapse of Towers) World Trade Center - YouTube[/ame]

You can call me "hack" all you want.

This really happened here.

 

[elvis]

Thank God for dead terrorists.

 

[Immanuel]

When someone is actively engaged in violent acts against our nation and it's citizens, we do whatever we can to stop those actions. Doing otherwise is insanity. If that person is under the protection of another nation, then, irregardless of his or her citizenship, we take them out.

President Obama's record on terrorists is excellent. He has effectively dismantled Al Quida, and gotten Bin Laden.

In fact, there is another poster whose sig line is 'Bin Laden is dead, and GM is alive'. That could serve as a re-election slogan for President Obama.

Normally, I agree with you or at least understand the point you are making.

The only thing I can say in response to this post, however, is do we burn the Constitution now or are they going to rip it to shreds further before we burn it?

And for the record, I was in adament opposition to Bush's Patriot Act from day one of its announcement and still am.

Immie

 

[pinqy]

At what point do the same people who swore up and down that Bush was turning the US into a police state protest Obama's policies that are far far worse. Torture? No. Killing? Yes.

U.S. to offer legal backing for "targeted killing": source - Yahoo! News

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Obama administration on Monday plans to outline how U.S. laws empower the government to kill Americans overseas who engage in terrorism against their home country, a source familiar with the matter said, months after a drone strike killed a U.S.-born cleric who plotted attacks from Yemen.

Civil liberties groups have been pressuring the administration to offer justification for what has been described as a top-secret "targeted kill" program in which Americans who have joined al Qaeda or other militants are deemed legitimate targets to be killed overseas.

More at the source.

There's hypocricy on both sides....You're not going to hear Liberals condemn this because Obama is "their guy."

It's just like the Liberals supported Clinton attacking in Kosovo without the UN while condemning Bush for attacking in Iraq without the UN (even though Clinton was poised to do the exact same thing for the exact same reasons in 1998 but backed down).

 

[Paulie]

Osama Bin Laden was on CNN saying he was at war with the US. The Clinton administration took that very seriously and after the Cole was bombed, put together plans to have special ops take out Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan..and the Republicans balked because the CIA wouldn't confirm Bin Laden's role.

Fast forward to Bush..who completely directed policy to agitate the Russians and Chinese prior to 9/11, despite the fact that the spook world was telling him that Bin Laden was up to something big. Add in this..

Bush: Truly not concerned about bin Laden (short version) - YouTube

I got no problem with offing a person that is plotting major terrorist attacks from another country.

I'm talking about US citizens, first of all.

And why would you be so quick to just accept the government's word that someone is "plotting attacks"?

Because terrorism is not an "abstract" notion for me. I live in NYC. It's a very real issue here.

It's a real issue everywhere. Nothing is more special just because you live in NYC. An American citizen is born with rights that the rest of the world doesn't get. We're innocent until proven guilty. That goes for someone stealing a piece of candy, or plotting terrorism. If you're willing to relinquish that right based on nothing more than a government's claim, then what do we really have? Due process is what keeps us a free country. If we give that up because we're scared of someone's accusations, then we give away a huge part of what makes us free.

 

[Intense]

When someone is actively engaged in violent acts against our nation and it's citizens, we do whatever we can to stop those actions. Doing otherwise is insanity. If that person is under the protection of another nation, then, irregardless of his or her citizenship, we take them out.

President Obama's record on terrorists is excellent. He has effectively dismantled Al Quida, and gotten Bin Laden.

In fact, there is another poster whose sig line is 'Bin Laden is dead, and GM is alive'. That could serve as a re-election slogan for President Obama.

I think what is purposely being missed here is the distinction between Allegations, and proof. Also, the distinction between Targeted Assassination and Capture. Capture will potentially add to Intelligence Information. Dead Men tell no Tales. Still, New Precedents are being set, with No Question, No Balance Of Power, or Oversight. The Left swallowing it all hook, line, and sinker. Why is that, again?