if a gay baker refused to bake a cake for a Muslim, whose side would liberals take?

[basquebromance]

just curious, folks!

 

[alang1216]

I would not support the baker.

 

[TNHarley]

I would totally defend the baker.
Although, i may be biased. I believe in individuality, private property and freedom..

 

[Syriusly]

just curious, folks!

Why does it matter what sexual preference the baker is?

How about this:

What if a Christian/Jew/Straight/Gay/Black/White/Male/Female baker refused to sell to someone because he was a Muslim?

Exactly the same as if the baker refused to sell to someone because he was a Christian or a Jew.

Against the law- and the Muslim or Jew or Christian the baker refused to sell to could sue, or file a legal complaint, depending on the law in that state.

 

[Meriweather]

Here are some issues people should consider.

Professional Photographer: Asked to take pictures of nude people. Should that be the call of the photographer or the customer.

Professional Baker: Asked to design a cake with a gay theme, a satanic theme, or a US Flag burning.

Private Teacher/Tutor: Asking teacher to teach Creationism when said teacher knows the truths of evolution/adaptation.

At what point is the business owner able to say, "This is not a good fit for the two of us. Allow me refer you to someone else."

 

[Czernobog]

That would depend on the cake. If it was just a cake - even a wedding cake - I would support the Muslim.

If the Muslim wanted something like "Die all infidel scum!!!" printed on the cake, I would support the baker. After all the "Hands On " case in Kentucky has set the precedent that, if a customer requests a specific message, then the business can refuse to fill that order.

So, your question is a little difficult to answer with a simple yes/no, as there are some variables left open.

 

[Syriusly]

Here are some issues people should consider.

Professional Photographer: Asked to take pictures of nude people. Should that be the call of the photographer or the customer."

Does the photographer offer to take pictures of nude people?

Nothing about public accommodation laws require a photographer or a baker to offer a service they don't offer- but if they do offer a service- like taking private nude photos or wedding cakes they can't refuse to do it for Muslims or Jews or blacks or Mexicans.

 

[TNHarley]

Its crazy how forcing people to go against their will and property is "progress" to the regressives

 

[Syriusly]

Here are some issues people should consider.


Professional Baker: Asked to design a cake with a gay theme, a satanic theme, or a US Flag burning."

a) gay theme- most states the Baker can refuse- a few states he would be violating the law
b) satanic theme- in all 50 states the Baker would be denying service based on the religion of his customer- no different than refusing to sell a cake for Easter.
c) No law prevents a baker from refusing to sell a cake about flag burning.

The Civil Rights Act says that a business cannot refuse service based upon religion, race, country of origin or gender.

States in some cases have expanded those groups- but if there is not one of those issues- PA laws don't apply.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Orlando resolved that mystery. Within the first hour of the massacre I was reading the left aligning itself behind Islam.

You see, homosexuals and Christians don’t go around slitting throats for not agreeing with them.

 

[Vandalshandle]

 

[dblack]

Here are some issues people should consider.


Professional Baker: Asked to design a cake with a gay theme, a satanic theme, or a US Flag burning."

a) gay theme- most states the Baker can refuse- a few states he would be violating the law
b) satanic theme- in all 50 states the Baker would be denying service based on the religion of his customer- no different than refusing to sell a cake for Easter.
c) No law prevents a baker from refusing to sell a cake about flag burning.

The Civil Rights Act says that a business cannot refuse service based upon religion, race, country of origin or gender.

States in some cases have expanded those groups- but if there is not one of those issues- PA laws don't apply.

The joys of corporatism. Individual rights are replaced with group privilege. Go team!

 

[Czernobog]

Here are some issues people should consider.

Professional Photographer: Asked to take pictures of nude people. Should that be the call of the photographer or the customer.

Has he advertised that this is a service he provides to customers? If not, then he is under no obligation to provide services to anyone that he does not advertise he provides. Now, if he takes nudes of women, and a man asks for a nude, and he refuses, the man would have a case.

Professional Baker: Asked to design a cake with a gay theme, a satanic theme, or a US Flag burning.

Now, you are getting into a different area fro the wedding cake. The Baker v Hands On case, in Kentucky has set the precedent that if one is asking a business to create a specific message that is contrary to the business owner's conscience, the business owner has the right to refuse. Once again, the only message sent by a wedding cake is "A wedding is happening here".

Private Teacher/Tutor: Asking teacher to teach Creationism when said teacher knows the truths of evolution/adaptation.

Unfortunately the critical word there is "private". The government has very little control over the practices of private institutions that do not take public money. So, yeah. The school has the right to dictate their curriculum.

At what point is the business owner able to say, "This is not a good fit for the two of us. Allow me refer you to someone else."

When that decision is made as an individual assessment, not based on a class of people.

 

[Syriusly]

Orlando resolved that mystery. Within the first hour of the massacre I was reading the left aligning itself behind Islam..

Within the first hour of the massacre I was reading the right lying about the left supporting the terrorist attack.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Here are some issues people should consider.

Professional Photographer: Asked to take pictures of nude people. Should that be the call of the photographer or the customer.

Has he advertised that this is a service he provides to customers? If not, then he is under no obligation to provide services to anyone that he does not advertise he provides. Now, if he takes nudes of women, and a man asks for a nude, and he refuses, the man would have a case.

Professional Baker: Asked to design a cake with a gay theme, a satanic theme, or a US Flag burning.

Now, you are getting into a different area fro the wedding cake. The Baker v Hands On case, in Kentucky has set the precedent that if one is asking a business to create a specific message that is contrary to the business owner's conscience, the business owner has the right to refuse. Once again, the only message sent by a wedding cake is "A wedding is happening here".

Private Teacher/Tutor: Asking teacher to teach Creationism when said teacher knows the truths of evolution/adaptation.

Unfortunately the critical word there is "private". The government has very little control over the practices of private institutions that do not take public money. So, yeah. The school has the right to dictate their curriculum.

At what point is the business owner able to say, "This is not a good fit for the two of us. Allow me refer you to someone else."

When that decision is made as an individual assessment, not based on a class of people.

It’s not about selling a prefab cake. It’s about art and people’s freedom of when to perform their art.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Orlando resolved that mystery. Within the first hour of the massacre I was reading the left aligning itself behind Islam..

Within the first hour of the massacre I was reading the right lying about the left supporting the terrorist attack.

Muslim-Americans face backlash after Orlando mass shooting

 

[Meriweather]

Nothing about public accommodation laws require a photographer or a baker to offer a service they don't offer- but if they do offer a service- like taking private nude photos or wedding cakes they can't refuse to do it for Muslims or Jews or blacks or Mexicans.

No, the photographer does not take nude pictures, period.

 

[Meriweather]

a) gay theme- most states the Baker can refuse- a few states he would be violating the law
b) satanic theme- in all 50 states the Baker would be denying service based on the religion of his customer- no different than refusing to sell a cake for Easter.
c) No law prevents a baker from refusing to sell a cake about flag burning.

The Civil Rights Act says that a business cannot refuse service based upon religion, race, country of origin or gender.

States in some cases have expanded those groups- but if there is not one of those issues- PA laws don't apply.

Keep in mind, I am not saying that the baker is refusing to sell a cake--he is simply declining to decorate a cake with a satanic theme. What the group adds to the cake (and does with the cake) after they purchase it is in their realm.

 

[Syriusly]

Nothing about public accommodation laws require a photographer or a baker to offer a service they don't offer- but if they do offer a service- like taking private nude photos or wedding cakes they can't refuse to do it for Muslims or Jews or blacks or Mexicans.

No, the photographer does not take nude pictures, period.

Then your question is answered.

 

[Syriusly]

a) gay theme- most states the Baker can refuse- a few states he would be violating the law
b) satanic theme- in all 50 states the Baker would be denying service based on the religion of his customer- no different than refusing to sell a cake for Easter.
c) No law prevents a baker from refusing to sell a cake about flag burning.

The Civil Rights Act says that a business cannot refuse service based upon religion, race, country of origin or gender.

States in some cases have expanded those groups- but if there is not one of those issues- PA laws don't apply.

Keep in mind, I am not saying that the baker is refusing to sell a cake--he is simply declining to decorate a cake with a satanic theme. What the group adds to the cake (and does with the cake) after they purchase it is in their realm.

If the Baker had a policy of never decorating any cake with any religious themes- so refused to decorate a cake with say "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Easter" etc, etc- then he could refuse any other religious themed cake- such as a satanic theme

b) satanic theme- in all 50 states the Baker would be denying service based on the religion of his customer- no different than refusing to sell a cake for Easter.