Idiots protesting mosque near Ground Zero attack two Christians

[bodecea]

I hope you're hitting this fool with the neg rep as often as I am. He's a disgrace to liberals everywhere.

Wow! You have some serious issues with him....are you a broken up couple or something?

Just sick of his lies and drivel.

You both have been here no more than 9 days...you get sick easily, don't you? Low tolerance of those who don't toe your party line?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

As I've said before. When a non Muslim group kills 3000 Americans in one morning I will worry about that group as much as I worry about Muslims. When Christian groups start attacking our Embassies, I'll be alarmed. When Christian preachers start issuing fatwas against others en masse I will be shocked.

this isn't even a valid comparison and you know it. I mean seriously if you want to have a valid debate about why we shouldn't be against all Muslims let's have one, but don't try to make the silly argument that Christians are just as likely to be terrorists.

Here, would you like me to make your argument for you?


Because I'm a nice guy, and enjoy an honest debate, I'm going to do just that. Read this website

How Many Muslims Are Terrorists? - Reader comments at Daniel Pipes

It will give you some nice figures and stats to actually have a valid debate that not all Muslims are terrorists, rather than your stupid point your failing to make about Christians.

If you've been reading my posts, you would know that I don't give a crap if Christians are specifically terrorists, or if Muslims are. They're not. Terrorists will do what they want to do and use whatever they want, whether it be religion, creed or ideology to justify those actions. Arguing that one is worse than the other is moot because they all get used in the end.

I didn't pop in debate if Christians are child-molesting hypocrites, or if Muslims are murdering psychopaths who wear towels on their heads. Every side has its stupid hacks that everyone agrees are bloody idiots who don't represent every Muslim or Christian as a whole.

Lonestar wanted a list of Christian terrorist attacks, I gave him one and then some.

Being a Christian and commiting violent acts in the name of said religious belief is two different things.

And being a Muslim and committing acts in the name of said religious belief are two different things.

And being a Buddhist and committing acts in the name of said religious belief are two different things.

And being a Hindu and committing acts in the name of said religious belief are two different things.

Hope the point is getting through.

I doubt it. Look at what you're dealing with:

Were you smiling when they took your picture?

 

[Woyzeck]

As I've said before. When a non Muslim group kills 3000 Americans in one morning I will worry about that group as much as I worry about Muslims. When Christian groups start attacking our Embassies, I'll be alarmed. When Christian preachers start issuing fatwas against others en masse I will be shocked.

this isn't even a valid comparison and you know it. I mean seriously if you want to have a valid debate about why we shouldn't be against all Muslims let's have one, but don't try to make the silly argument that Christians are just as likely to be terrorists.

Here, would you like me to make your argument for you?


Because I'm a nice guy, and enjoy an honest debate, I'm going to do just that. Read this website

How Many Muslims Are Terrorists? - Reader comments at Daniel Pipes

It will give you some nice figures and stats to actually have a valid debate that not all Muslims are terrorists, rather than your stupid point your failing to make about Christians.

If you've been reading my posts, you would know that I don't give a crap if Christians are specifically terrorists, or if Muslims are. They're not. Terrorists will do what they want to do and use whatever they want, whether it be religion, creed or ideology to justify those actions. Arguing that one is worse than the other is moot because they all get used in the end.

I didn't pop in debate if Christians are child-molesting hypocrites, or if Muslims are murdering psychopaths who wear towels on their heads. Every side has its stupid hacks that everyone agrees are bloody idiots who don't represent every Muslim or Christian as a whole.

Lonestar wanted a list of Christian terrorist attacks, I gave him one and then some.

Being a Christian and commiting violent acts in the name of said religious belief is two different things.

And being a Muslim and committing acts in the name of said religious belief are two different things.

And being a Buddhist and committing acts in the name of said religious belief are two different things.

And being a Hindu and committing acts in the name of said religious belief are two different things.

Hope the point is getting through.

The point being is that Islamic extremist are in fact committing acts of terror in the name of their religion. You cannot say the same for the list you provided.

And why is what you say any different? Why can you say that they commit it in the name of their religion and the other Christian terrorists and hate groups I posted do not?

I believe that's what they call a 'double-standard' in the vernacular.

 

[sangha]

If you've been reading my posts, you would know that I don't give a crap if Christians are specifically terrorists, or if Muslims are. They're not. Terrorists will do what they want to do and use whatever they want, whether it be religion, creed or ideology to justify those actions. Arguing that one is worse than the other is moot because they all get used in the end.

I didn't pop in debate if Christians are child-molesting hypocrites, or if Muslims are murdering psychopaths who wear towels on their heads. Every side has its stupid hacks that everyone agrees are bloody idiots who don't represent every Muslim or Christian as a whole.

Lonestar wanted a list of Christian terrorist attacks, I gave him one and then some.



And being a Muslim and committing acts in the name of said religious belief are two different things.

And being a Buddhist and committing acts in the name of said religious belief are two different things.

And being a Hindu and committing acts in the name of said religious belief are two different things.

Hope the point is getting through.

The point being is that Islamic extremist are in fact committing acts of terror in the name of their religion. You cannot say the same for the list you provided.

And why is what you say any different? Why can you say that they commit it in the name of their religion and the other Christian terrorists and hate groups I posted do not?

I believe that's what they call a 'double-standard' in the vernacular.

When conjob asks for info, and it is provided, he rejects it and changes his request, as he did when I mentioned christian terrorism that occured overseas.

 

[ConHog]

I'm still waiting for you to get my point.

I'm not defending radical Muslim terrorist anymore than I would defend the radical Christian terrorists I posted. Both sides are terrorists willing to use anything as justification for their radical ways. They're both wrong for it, as well. No religion is worse or better than another one.

You're a naive fucking idiot if you believe that. Did you look at that website at all?

Just looking at one time period proves it. From Sep 03 to Nov 03 there were FORTY SIX terror acts committed by Muslims in the name of their religion. I defy you to find me 46 such acts by Christian terrorists in the last ten , no make it fifty , years combined.


Again, if you want to have a legitimate debate about not all Muslims being terrorists let's have that debate but this stupidity of " all religions are equally as bad" makes you look like a totally uneducated buffoon. No, all religions aren't equally bad.

Nice words. Take a look at the hate groups in the link I listed, and attacks (which do not account for ALL of the attacks) in the link before it. But lemme list some other stuff that Christians did:

Puritan Witch Trials
Crusades
Inquisistions
French Wars of Religion
English Civil War
Thirty Years War

Why should I believe that Christianity is any less worse than Islam? You demonize Islam, but give insufficient information on why Christianity or Hinduism or Buddhism or anything else is better than it. Feel free to list the historical events where Muslim committed atrocities too, I'll gladly welcome it. It only proves my point that a lot, if not all major religions are naughty.

The website I listed goes back into perpetuity, well not really but you know what I mean.

Now let's discuss the events you listed

Puritan witch trial

Actually the more correct name is the Salem witch trials, and oh by the way although Mass was heavily puritan they were not a theocracy so the fact that the state tried those women for witchcraft doesn't automatically mean Christians did, in fact some Christians vehemently opposed the state being involved at all. Most notable among them was Roger Williams

Crusades

The crusades were not terrorist acts, they were wars waged by governments, governments who had close ties with the churches yes, but if you actually do some studying on them you will see that Christians adn Muslims alike pretty much just used their Churches as excuses to grab land.

Inquisitions

Again, this root cause of the inquisition was not religion, it was political power. Many people were accused of , and subsequently killed in the name of, religion simply b/c the accuser wanted more power. Not because those in power actually cared about their religion.

French Wars of Religion

These were actually two groups fighting over religion

English Civil War

Was a war between Royalists and Parliamentarians, had nothing to do with religion.

Thirty Year War

This war did start out as a religion war, but quickly became about control of the Roman Empire.

NONE of the above actions are acts of terrorism.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Jihad begot Crusades.

 

[sangha]

Jihad begot Crusades.

Crusades begot Jihad

 

[ConHog]

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Here's conjob claims that death threats, arsons, and bombings aren't terrorism

You know I must say , everyone is getting sick of your lying. How about we settle this.

If you find ANYWHERE where I have posted that death threats, arson, or bombing weren't terrorism I will ask that my account be deleted and I'll never return. If on the other hand you can't you agree to ask for your account to be deleted and never return.

Do you have the fucking cojones to back up your idiotic statement you moron?

SO you have nothing to say about the christian terrorists who have committed hundreds of acts of terrorism?

In other words, you made an idiotic statement and now you can't back it up (again) so you want to change the subject?

Listen moron, I can guarantee you that if a group of Christians hijacked a plane and flew it into a skyscraper in downtown Mecca I would condemn them, I would further condemn anyone caught on camera cheering about the deaths of people who were committing the crime of , gasp, going about their daily lives. The fact that you don't condemn Muslims for the same doesn't mean I would follow your lead in regards to Christians.

 

[sangha]

You know I must say , everyone is getting sick of your lying. How about we settle this.

If you find ANYWHERE where I have posted that death threats, arson, or bombing weren't terrorism I will ask that my account be deleted and I'll never return. If on the other hand you can't you agree to ask for your account to be deleted and never return.

Do you have the fucking cojones to back up your idiotic statement you moron?

SO you have nothing to say about the christian terrorists who have committed hundreds of acts of terrorism?

In other words, you made an idiotic statement and now you can't back it up (again) so you want to change the subject?

Listen moron, I can guarantee you that if a group of Christians hijacked a plane and flew it into a skyscraper in downtown Mecca I would condemn them, I would further condemn anyone caught on camera cheering about the deaths of people who were committing the crime of , gasp, going about their daily lives. The fact that you don't condemn Muslims for the same doesn't mean I would follow your lead in regards to Christians.

So you have STILL nothing to say about the christian terrorists who have committed hundreds of acts of terrorism?

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

If you've been reading my posts, you would know that I don't give a crap if Christians are specifically terrorists, or if Muslims are. They're not. Terrorists will do what they want to do and use whatever they want, whether it be religion, creed or ideology to justify those actions. Arguing that one is worse than the other is moot because they all get used in the end.

I didn't pop in debate if Christians are child-molesting hypocrites, or if Muslims are murdering psychopaths who wear towels on their heads. Every side has its stupid hacks that everyone agrees are bloody idiots who don't represent every Muslim or Christian as a whole.

Lonestar wanted a list of Christian terrorist attacks, I gave him one and then some.



And being a Muslim and committing acts in the name of said religious belief are two different things.

And being a Buddhist and committing acts in the name of said religious belief are two different things.

And being a Hindu and committing acts in the name of said religious belief are two different things.

Hope the point is getting through.

Please look at this website

Prophet of Doom - Islamic Terrorism Timeline - Introduction - Islamic Terrorism Timeline

and list to me which of those acts were committed by people who were Muslims but their attacks had nothing to do with their religion.

I'm still waiting for you to get my point.

I'm not defending radical Muslim terrorist anymore than I would defend the radical Christian terrorists I posted. Both sides are terrorists willing to use anything as justification for their radical ways. They're both wrong for it, as well. No religion is worse or better than another one.

Actually you are defending Islamic jihad, You are making a moral equivalency argument where non exists
Try to wrap your mind around this.
Its a rough thumbnail but in general accurate
When a " Christian kills it is against the teaching of Christ."
When a "muslims kills a non believer ,he is doing and act of piety sanctified by scripture "

See the difference?

 

[sangha]

Please look at this website

Prophet of Doom - Islamic Terrorism Timeline - Introduction - Islamic Terrorism Timeline

and list to me which of those acts were committed by people who were Muslims but their attacks had nothing to do with their religion.

I'm still waiting for you to get my point.

I'm not defending radical Muslim terrorist anymore than I would defend the radical Christian terrorists I posted. Both sides are terrorists willing to use anything as justification for their radical ways. They're both wrong for it, as well. No religion is worse or better than another one.

Actually you are defending Islamic jihad, You are making a moral equivalency argument where non exists
Try to wrap your mind around this.
Its a rough thumbnail but in general accurate
When a " Christian kills it is against the teaching of Christ."
When a "muslims kills a non believer ,he is doing and act of piety sanctified by scripture "

See the difference?

Scott Roeder disagrees.

 

[ConHog]

Jihad begot Crusades.

Crusades begot Jihad

LOL Do you want to start a history debate? You better pull up your pampers then.

Do you know why the First Crusade began? No. Oh it was b/c Emperor Alexius I (Byzantine) requested that Pope Urban II enlist the aid of the western Catholic nations to help repel invading Turks. So Muslims struck first. MUCH later Saladin introduced the idea of jihad to warfare (around 1187.)

So , would you like to continue this debate????

 

[ConHog]

I'm still waiting for you to get my point.

I'm not defending radical Muslim terrorist anymore than I would defend the radical Christian terrorists I posted. Both sides are terrorists willing to use anything as justification for their radical ways. They're both wrong for it, as well. No religion is worse or better than another one.

Actually you are defending Islamic jihad, You are making a moral equivalency argument where non exists
Try to wrap your mind around this.
Its a rough thumbnail but in general accurate
When a " Christian kills it is against the teaching of Christ."
When a "muslims kills a non believer ,he is doing and act of piety sanctified by scripture "

See the difference?

Scott Roeder disagrees.

Big deal, many Muslims disagree to, the point is those who do the killing are interpreting the Koran as saying some killing is ok. Some Christians surely do misinterpret the Bible the same way, the ratio is like 500000:1 though and only a total and complete liar , like yourself, would claim otherwise.

 

[sangha]

Jihad begot Crusades.

Crusades begot Jihad

MUCH later Saladin introduced the idea of jihad to warfare (around 1187.)

So , would you like to continue this debate????

Thanks for proving that the crusades begot jihad

 

[Woyzeck]

You're a naive fucking idiot if you believe that. Did you look at that website at all?

Just looking at one time period proves it. From Sep 03 to Nov 03 there were FORTY SIX terror acts committed by Muslims in the name of their religion. I defy you to find me 46 such acts by Christian terrorists in the last ten , no make it fifty , years combined.


Again, if you want to have a legitimate debate about not all Muslims being terrorists let's have that debate but this stupidity of " all religions are equally as bad" makes you look like a totally uneducated buffoon. No, all religions aren't equally bad.

Nice words. Take a look at the hate groups in the link I listed, and attacks (which do not account for ALL of the attacks) in the link before it. But lemme list some other stuff that Christians did:

Puritan Witch Trials
Crusades
Inquisistions
French Wars of Religion
English Civil War
Thirty Years War

Why should I believe that Christianity is any less worse than Islam? You demonize Islam, but give insufficient information on why Christianity or Hinduism or Buddhism or anything else is better than it. Feel free to list the historical events where Muslim committed atrocities too, I'll gladly welcome it. It only proves my point that a lot, if not all major religions are naughty.

The website I listed goes back into perpetuity, well not really but you know what I mean.

My links are still up as well. Christians are terrorists too, I've given you proof. Go ahead and look at them.

Now let's discuss the events you listed

Puritan witch trial

Actually the more correct name is the Salem witch trials, and oh by the way although Mass was heavily puritan they were not a theocracy so the fact that the state tried those women for witchcraft doesn't automatically mean Christians did, in fact some Christians vehemently opposed the state being involved at all. Most notable among them was Roger Williams

They were ALL Christian Connie, there's no getting around this, all 'good Puritan Christians.' Anyone who opposed the religious conformity of it got the boot. Roger Williams? He got himself kicked out for not being Christian enough and he went south to found Rhode Island.

Massachusetts Bay Colony

Crusades

The crusades were not terrorist acts, they were wars waged by governments, governments who had close ties with the churches yes, but if you actually do some studying on them you will see that Christians adn Muslims alike pretty much just used their Churches as excuses to grab land.

Yeah this would be my point. Neither side has the higher ground. Both Christians and Muslims have been gits.

Inquisitions

Again, this root cause of the inquisition was not religion, it was political power. Many people were accused of , and subsequently killed in the name of, religion simply b/c the accuser wanted more power. Not because those in power actually cared about their religion.

Oh really? How was it about political power? Who stood to gain from it?

What about if you were say... Jewish? Or didn't conform with Catholic beliefs? How was it about political power?

Spanish Inquisition - Death tolls

French Wars of Religion

These were actually two groups fighting over religion

Yes, they were part of the Catholic and Protestant conflicts. My, my, my, it's an awful lot of bloodshed from them.

English Civil War

Was a war between Royalists and Parliamentarians, had nothing to do with religion.

Nothing? A lot of it had to do with the Protestant Parliament not wanting a Catholic king. You're right, it was political power, but you're flat out ignoring the religion aspect of it.

Thirty Year War

This war did start out as a religion war, but quickly became about control of the Roman Empire.

I'm not sure of your argument against here, you just said yourself it started as a religious war.

NONE of the above actions are acts of terrorism.

I never said they were, but they are part of the numerous bloodshed and atrocities committed by Christianity. It's no more holy or in the right than Islam is.

 

[bodecea]

You know I must say , everyone is getting sick of your lying. How about we settle this.

If you find ANYWHERE where I have posted that death threats, arson, or bombing weren't terrorism I will ask that my account be deleted and I'll never return. If on the other hand you can't you agree to ask for your account to be deleted and never return.

Do you have the fucking cojones to back up your idiotic statement you moron?

SO you have nothing to say about the christian terrorists who have committed hundreds of acts of terrorism?

In other words, you made an idiotic statement and now you can't back it up (again) so you want to change the subject?

Listen moron, I can guarantee you that if a group of Christians hijacked a plane and flew it into a skyscraper in downtown Mecca I would condemn them, I would further condemn anyone caught on camera cheering about the deaths of people who were committing the crime of , gasp, going about their daily lives. The fact that you don't condemn Muslims for the same doesn't mean I would follow your lead in regards to Christians.

Did you condemn the guy who flew a plane into a building in Austin TX? OR is that somehow "different"?

And are we to condemn ALL Muslims for the acts of some radical, mislead crazies?

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Jihad begot Crusades.

Crusades begot Jihad

Bat Ye’or summarizes the Arab Muslim conquest of Palestine as follows:

…the whole Gaza region up to Cesarea was sacked and devastated in the campaign of 634. Four thousand Jewish, Christian, and Samaritan peasants who defended their land were massacred.

The villages of the Negev were pillaged…Towns such as Jerusalem, Gaza, Jaffa, Cesarea, Nablus, and Beth Shean were isolated and closed their gates. In his sermon on Christmas day 634, the patriarch of Jerusalem, Sophronius, lamented…that the Christians were being forcibly kept in Jerusalem: ‘…chained and nailed by fear of the Saracens,’ whose ‘savage, barbarous and bloody sword’ kept them locked up in the town…Sophronius, in his sermon on the Day of the Epiphany 636, bewailed the destruction of the churches and monasteries, the sacked towns, the fields laid waste, the villages burned down by the nomads who were overrunning the country.

In a letter the same year to Sergius, the patriarch of Constantinople, he mentions the ravages wrought by the Arabs. Thousands of people perished in 639, victims of the famine and plague that resulted from these destructions. 40


According to [the Muslim chronicler] Baladhuri (d. 892 C.E.), 40,000 Jews lived in Caesarea alone at the Arab conquest, after which all trace of them is lost... 41

 

[sangha]

Actually you are defending Islamic jihad, You are making a moral equivalency argument where non exists
Try to wrap your mind around this.
Its a rough thumbnail but in general accurate
When a " Christian kills it is against the teaching of Christ."
When a "muslims kills a non believer ,he is doing and act of piety sanctified by scripture "

See the difference?

Scott Roeder disagrees.

Big deal, many Muslims disagree to, the point is those who do the killing are interpreting the Koran as saying some killing is ok. Some Christians surely do misinterpret the Bible the same way, the ratio is like 500000:1 though and only a total and complete liar , like yourself, would claim otherwise.

And the christians who commit terrorism think the Bible says it's OK.

The Talibornagains are just like the Islamic terrorists

 

[bodecea]

Jihad begot Crusades.

Crusades begot Jihad

LOL Do you want to start a history debate? You better pull up your pampers then.

Do you know why the First Crusade began? No. Oh it was b/c Emperor Alexius I (Byzantine) requested that Pope Urban II enlist the aid of the western Catholic nations to help repel invading Turks. So Muslims struck first. MUCH later Saladin introduced the idea of jihad to warfare (around 1187.)

So , would you like to continue this debate????

And Pope Urban II made it a RELIGIOUS war, not simply a war for territory.

 

[Woyzeck]

Please look at this website

Prophet of Doom - Islamic Terrorism Timeline - Introduction - Islamic Terrorism Timeline

and list to me which of those acts were committed by people who were Muslims but their attacks had nothing to do with their religion.

I'm still waiting for you to get my point.

I'm not defending radical Muslim terrorist anymore than I would defend the radical Christian terrorists I posted. Both sides are terrorists willing to use anything as justification for their radical ways. They're both wrong for it, as well. No religion is worse or better than another one.

Actually you are defending Islamic jihad, You are making a moral equivalency argument where non exists
Try to wrap your mind around this.
Its a rough thumbnail but in general accurate
When a " Christian kills it is against the teaching of Christ."
When a "muslims kills a non believer ,he is doing and act of piety sanctified by scripture "

See the difference?

But any Christian terrorist will say it is with the teachings of Christ and God and the Bible, just as a Muslim terrorist will do the same with Allah, Muhammad and the Koran. They are terrorists and radicals, not to be taken as the majority of their religions. Which has been my point for many pages now.