Idaho's ban on undercover animal abuse videos struck down by federal judge

[Uncensored2008]

What the hell does the first sentence have to do with the actual reality of starvation due to failed distribution methods? I have descended into absurdity? Venezuela is no paradise, but there's a reason the "socialists" are in power, the people support them, because it's still better then having no food at all.

Your claim that the success of capitalism is to blame for the failure of planned economies is childish stupidity - exemplified by the simile.

 

[Socialist]

What the hell does the first sentence have to do with the actual reality of starvation due to failed distribution methods? I have descended into absurdity? Venezuela is no paradise, but there's a reason the "socialists" are in power, the people support them, because it's still better then having no food at all.

Your claim that the success of capitalism is to blame for the failure of planned economies is childish stupidity - exemplified by the simile.

What the hell are you talking about now?

 

[Socialist]

Only return in investment? What self proclaimed "socialist state" do you want to examine?

The USSR, China under Mao, Vietnam under Ho, Cambodia under Pot, no matter...

You know a great deal, unfortunately none of it happens to be true.

Pol pot wasn't a socialist and was supported by the US, vietnam under Ho was doing quite well until the US dogs intervened. China/USSR need their own thread.

 

[IsaacNewton]

It is well understood, and regardless, women will get abortions whenever they choose, you can do nothing to stop it, get over it, idiot.
Distract from facts? Do you want to sit down and evaluate every single self described socialist state and the conditions present at the time? (It's not 100 million either, that book just takes the highest estimates, was written before new data came out, and relies on factual inaccuracies.) Evil movement in human history? Seriously? What the hell are you talking about? Yes, the study on democide that hardly anyone looks to apart from "libertarian" radicals like yourself who believe women shouldn't have the right to get an abortion.

You're right that is is about 200 million, not 100 - but you were trying to blow smoke by quibbling, so I pointed out that even using your deflated claim - y'all are still some evil fucks.

Oh, and I have said very little on my view of abortion. I just point out that your claim that humans are not sentient says a lot about you.

I mean seriously, y'all are some truly evil fucks. You know this. Death and misery are what you seek to bring to mankind.

You really believe anyone that isn't like you is 'evil'?

Ok sparky, go get some rest.

 

[martybegan]

They think that a person deserves a chance to be born, i.e. "life". You creating a Standard of them having to save all other children's lives to claim the term "pro-life" is nothing more than trying to re-frame the debate, instead of debating the actual points.

Yes, I am reframing the debate to include all life, rather than a politically expedient subset.

Does pro-life mean all life, or some life.

it means what they want it to mean, and what the public accepts it to mean. And I doubt anti-abortion rights people (see i used the negative there) don't actively go out of their way to ignore the plight of poor children, many of the Churches they belong to probably do things for that. The fact is they see the plight of the unborn as more important, and there are plenty of people working on the plight of poor children at the same time.

"it means what they want it to mean" What they want it to mean is we are pro-life if that life is in the country they live in and isn't out of the womb. Otherwise they couldn't care less. And they can't claim their impetus is biblical because the Christian god and Jesus say all are gods children.

It is the cherry picking of the 'life' that is important and the 'life' that is ignored. Stop claiming biblical affirmation and high moral ground. Trying to save 55 million while watching 100 or 200 million die is not noble. Sorry, this circle cannot be squared. And anyone who DOES claim to be pro-life knows it. It is just a very very uncomfortable reality that they angrily deny because it lays bare the hypocrisy.

Actually they probably do care, they just focus on the life that is snuffed out via abortion. And this is still just a mental exercise by you and others like you to ignore the real argument over the killing of something living for the sake of convenience (in the case of non-therapeutic abortions only, of course).

It boils down to:

A: Abortion is wrong and I think it should be illegal, and I am willing to work towards that
B: How dare you think about that when there are living children suffering and dying out there!!!

Notice B isn't answering A, or retorting, B is just bringing up a separate, even if related point, ignoring A's view entirely.

Ok, lol, last post.

Abortion is legal and will remain so, so this 'effort' against it feels good but does nothing. There are REAL children that CAN be saved.

You and others ARE pro-choice on whether to let 20,000 more children die today.

Choose.

Strawman argument is strawman. But keep it up if it helps you ignore the real facts.

 

[Uncensored2008]

What the hell are you talking about now?

Did you or did you not claim that "capitalism is to blame for people starving?"

Did you or did you not evoke the childish and idiotic idea that hard work by some was the cause of laziness in other?

Is this not your drooling stupidity?

they lack access to food when the world has a massive food surplus, 30-50% of food never reaches human hands thanks to capitalist distribution methods

Essentially you are claiming that if the USA did not exist, these people would not be starving - which is a level of idiocy that is jaw-dropping.

You're reaching Skylar levels of stupidity.

 

[Uncensored2008]

You really believe anyone that isn't like you is 'evil'?

Ok sparky, go get some rest.

You really think that movements that murder hundreds of millions of people are NOT evil?

Says a lot about you...

 

[tinydancer]

Ok back to the OP. For those thinking that the undercover videos being taken are only of "animals being killed for food", you are wrong.

I'm a mega carnivore and have no problem whatsoever with farm animals being properly slaughtered to end up in my oven or on my grill as long as they are being slaughtered under proper guidelines.

What we are talking about are undercover videos that truly show horrific abuses of farm animals. We are talking fucking sadistic mmmmm'kay?

Mostly made by MFA. These folks really do great undercover work and I for one am greatly appreciative of the work that they do.

Check this out. Video at link as well. The stills alone make me want to bazooka barf. The bastards are kicking the dairy cows in their udders.

Kicking punching and prodding New video shows horrific abuse of cows at dairy farm which supplies cheese to Papa John s pizza and Stouffer s Daily Mail Online

Kicking, punching and prodding: New video shows horrific abuse of cows at dairy farm which supplies cheese to Papa John's and Domino's pizza

• WARNING: GRAPHIC IMAGES
• The video was recorder at New Mexico's Winchester Dairy
• The dairy has since fired all of it's employees and dispersed thousands of cows to other dairies with good animal welfare track records
• Officials are working to track down the activist who filmed the disturbing video
• Winchester Dairy produces milk for Denver-based Leprino Foods, a cheese company that sells to Papa John's pizza, Stouffer's and Hot Pockets

 

[tinydancer]

Idaho video

Another staff member at Dry Creek Dairy kicks out at at suspended cow who was being prepared for milking

Nothing like punching a dairy cow in the head eh?

Oh yeah standing on the head will up production won't it now?

Idaho dairy farm which supplies food giant s Kraft and Wendy s fires staff after sickening video shows them stomping dragging and beating cows Daily Mail Online

 

[easyt65]

A federal judge struck down Idaho's ban on undercover videos at factory farms Monday, saying state legislators wrongly criminalized free speech to protect powerful agricultural groups.

Animal rights advocates called the ruling the first such defeat for a so-called ag-gag law in the U.S. The laws have gained popularity in some states as activists continue to publish undercover videos showing animal abuse at facilities around the country.

The remedy for misleading speech, or speech we do not like, is more speech, not enforced silence.- U.S. Chief Judge B. Lynn Winmill of the District of Idaho
U.S. Chief Judge B. Lynn Winmill of the District of Idaho swept away the state's ban on the grounds that the law violated the 1st Amendment and selectively targeted activists or journalists who might be critical of factory farm practices.

"The effect of the statute will be to suppress speech by undercover investigators and whistleblowers concerning topics of great public importance: the safety of the public food supply, the safety of agricultural workers, the treatment and health of farm animals, and the impact of business activities on the environment," Winmill wrote in a summary judgment.

The judge said that "the facts show the state's purpose in enacting the statute was to protect industrial animal agriculture by silencing its critics."

Gov. C.L. "Butch" Otter signed the ban into law in February 2014 after a Los Angeles-based animal rights group, Mercy for Animals, released undercover video that showed dairy workers at one Idaho farm beating and abusing cows.

One clip showed workers at Bettencourt Dairies' Dry Creek Dairy in Hansen, Idaho, dragging a cow with a tractor after attaching a chain to her neck.

Although the video resulted in criminal charges against some of the workers, many Idaho lawmakers appeared more piqued by the animal rights activists who produced the highly edited footage.


FOR THE RECORD

Lawmakers likened it to propaganda or worse. One lawmaker called the undercover videos "farm terrorism" intended to damage the agricultural industry. Another compared activists to ancient invaders who destroyed crops to starve enemies into submission.

Idaho's law made it a misdemeanor -- punishable by up to a year in prison, plus potentially steep damages -- to make secret recordings or misrepresent one's identity to gain entrance to an agricultural facility.

After the law was passed, a broad coalition of animal rights activists, journalists and civil liberties advocates sued Idaho in federal court. Plaintiffs included the Animal Legal Defense Fund, the American Civil Liberties Union of Idaho and left-wing news magazine CounterPunch.

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Aug. 4, 8:42 a.m.: An earlier version of this story incorrectly said Mercy for Animals is a plaintiff in the lawsuit.

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Judge Winmill noted that the law would have criminalized the undercover journalism that Upton Sinclair performed in order to write his shocking 1906 novel on the meatpacking industry, "The Jungle," which led to industry reforms.

"As the story of Upton Sinclair illustrates, an agricultural facility's operations that affect food and worker safety are not exclusively a private matter. Food and worker safety are matters of public concern," Winmill wrote. "Moreover, laws against trespass, fraud, theft and defamation already exist."

Winmill said that if farm owners were concerned about highly edited activist videos, they could mount their own public relations campaigns.

"The remedy for misleading speech, or speech we do not like, is more speech, not enforced silence," Winmill wrote.

Mercy for Animals hailed the ruling, saying it was looking forward to producing more undercover videos in Idaho.

"Idaho’s lawmakers should be ashamed of wasting precious time and valuable resources enacting unconstitutional laws that threaten animal welfare, food safety, workers’ rights and the environment," Nathan Runkle, president of Mercy for Animals, said in a statement.

This is fantastic news.
Idaho apos s ban on undercover animal abuse videos struck down by federal judge - LA Times

Soooo...you can once again show under-cover video footage of some companies / people abusing ANIMALS...but thanks to a Judge - who also happens to be an Obama donor and bundler - you can't release any more videos showing Planned Parenthood Doctors or Managers aborting babies, cutting them up, selling the limbs and organs, selling whole dead babies aborted using the barbaric partial birth abortion technique, or watch them bicker over whether they should charge cash or just go for the Lamborgini....?!

Got it! Thanks!