I.R.S. Bars Employers From Dumping Workers Into Health Exchanges

[OnePercenter]

If Obamacare is so great and cost effective why is he trying so hard to keep people out?

Employees whose employer is trying to fuck their employees?

 

[Politico]

How do you think this ruling will impact the private exchanges?
Are those generally individual policies that employers are contributing to?
This ruling says they cannot even do that on an after-tax basis.
Don Levit

Seriously? How do you think it will affect them?In one fell swoop they made it so the employers will stop offering it altogether and cutting hours.

 

[Mad_Cabbie]

Obuma acts illegally - again?

Many employers had thought they could shift health costs to the government by sending their employees to a health insurance exchange with a tax-free contribution of cash to help pay premiums, but the Obama administration has squelched the idea in a new ruling. Such arrangements do not satisfy the health care law, the administration said, and employers may be subject to a tax penalty of $100 a day — or $36,500 a year — for each employee who goes into the individual marketplace....

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/26/u...mping-workers-into-health-exchanges.html?_r=1

Under a central provision of the health care law, larger employers are required to offer health coverage to full-time workers, or else the employers may be subject to penalties.

Many employers — some that now offer coverage and some that do not — had concluded (read "made it up") that it would be cheaper to provide each employee with a lump sum of money to buy insurance on an exchange, instead of providing coverage directly.

So, how did Obama break the law? Because employers were trying to weasel out of providing coverage? It was never the case that employers could do this - it was a stunt designed to not have to provide coverage.

 

[Manonthestreet]

If Obamacare is so great and cost effective why is he trying so hard to keep people out?

Employees whose employer is trying to fuck their employees?

Why would they be screwed???? Obamacare is Obamacare if you get it from govt or employer isn't it???? And Govt claimed its policies would save them 2500 and give you subsidies....... See he wants them to blame their employer for their new crappy insurance that costs more instead of him.,

 

[JakeStarkey]

Vigilante wants to act illegally - again?

The law is clear that you are lying, again.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Unions And Employers Set To Square Off Over New Obamacare Costs | Spending Daily | Bankrupting America | Government spending and waste in Washington, DC are bankrupting America and increasing our national debt to nearly $17 trillion.
Alrdy happening.......now are union members better off losing their gold plated health insurance plans......but don't blame Obama .......blame the employer ......cause they are too heartless to pay the new tax.....

 

[OnePercenter]

if obamacare is so great and cost effective why is he trying so hard to keep people out?

employees whose employer is trying to fuck their employees?

why would they be screwed???? obamacare is obamacare if you get it from govt or employer isn't it???? And govt claimed its policies would save them 2500 and give you subsidies....... See he wants them to blame their employer for their new crappy insurance that costs more instead of him.,

ACA is not an insurance policy.

 

[percysunshine]

Obuma acts illegally - again?

Many employers had thought they could shift health costs to the government by sending their employees to a health insurance exchange with a tax-free contribution of cash to help pay premiums, but the Obama administration has squelched the idea in a new ruling. Such arrangements do not satisfy the health care law, the administration said, and employers may be subject to a tax penalty of $100 a day — or $36,500 a year — for each employee who goes into the individual marketplace....

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/26/u...mping-workers-into-health-exchanges.html?_r=1

The source is the nytimes.com...otherwise known as the West Wing of the White House.

Take that with a grain of salt. Obama is not going to re-write law. He is going to delay enforcing enacted law until the political repercussions are acceptably small.

When Nixon tried this stuff....

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[Manonthestreet]

employees whose employer is trying to fuck their employees?

why would they be screwed???? obamacare is obamacare if you get it from govt or employer isn't it???? And govt claimed its policies would save them 2500 and give you subsidies....... See he wants them to blame their employer for their new crappy insurance that costs more instead of him.,

ACA is not an insurance policy.

Govt exchange or co...whats the difference.......none by mandate......so once more how would they be getting screwed to get it from govt exchange.......get rdy to kiss more jobs away.....

 

[OnePercenter]

why would they be screwed???? obamacare is obamacare if you get it from govt or employer isn't it???? And govt claimed its policies would save them 2500 and give you subsidies....... See he wants them to blame their employer for their new crappy insurance that costs more instead of him.,

ACA is not an insurance policy.

Govt exchange or co...whats the difference.......none by mandate......so once more how would they be getting screwed to get it from govt exchange.......get rdy to kiss more jobs away.....

IMO, as an employer, employers should provide healthcare for their employees that make them all of their money, after all, employer paid healthcare costs are subsidized.

 

[JakeStarkey]

If Obamacare is so great and cost effective why is he trying so hard to keep people out?

Employees whose employer is trying to fuck their employees?

Why would they be screwed???? Obamacare is Obamacare if you get it from govt or employer isn't it???? And Govt claimed its policies would save them 2500 and give you subsidies....... See he wants them to blame their employer for their new crappy insurance that costs more instead of him.,

ACA is a health program, not an insurance program.

There are no longer any health insurance death panels with ACA and certainly none in ACA.

The only "death panel" that Bachmann discovered was her own political demise when she began screaming in 2010 about "death panels." It took only two elections for the folks back home to tell bye bye to Michelle.

 

[thereisnospoon]

So, the IRS is enforcing the law? Good.

No..This time it is the IRS CHANGING the law.
At its own discretion, I might add.
The IRS is an abomination. It is an out of control bureaucracy. It is accountable to no one and it is on a mission.

 

[OnePercenter]

So, the IRS is enforcing the law? Good.

No..This time it is the IRS CHANGING the law.
At its own discretion, I might add.
The IRS is an abomination. It is an out of control bureaucracy. It is accountable to no one and it is on a mission.

You seem to have gotten spanked by the IRS. Bad feelings?

 

[thereisnospoon]

More, 'Republicans have nothing to offer the middle class' BS thread.

Why idiot, would it pass the Senate or be signed by the Obumanation?

Employers attempting to get something for nothing.

You do not believe business will find a way around this bullshit attempt by government to reward insurance companies sympathetic to Obama and his agenda?

 

[OnePercenter]

Why idiot, would it pass the Senate or be signed by the Obumanation?

Employers attempting to get something for nothing.

You do not believe business will find a way around this bullshit attempt by government to reward insurance companies sympathetic to Obama and his agenda?

If you believe that Obama is 'rewarding' insurance companies by making them spend 80% of premiums collected on claims, include preexisting conditions, and no cap policies....YOU ARE A FOOL!!!!!

 

[thereisnospoon]

Really...lot of those employers were forced to dump their employees because they offered what Obama termed bad insurance...... which he then turned around and said was ok after it was cancelled never to be seen again

ACA mandates non-exclusion for preexisting conditions and no caps for claims. And there you have it.

That is not true.
Not even close.
Let us not forget that the majority of people in the Obamacare system will be under Medicare. Now, do you really think that the federal government is going to offer free first dollar unlimited medical care to anyone? Let alone those with pre existing conditions which adversely affect their health?
ACA is 2500 pages of contradictions and double speak. It is unsustainable. And that is by design.
ACA is set up for failure. The hope is that ACA fails and fails at a point in time where democrats sympathetic to Obama's agenda are still in the majority in Washington. The next step is obvious. To start drafting Single Payer legislation.
Thank goodness the GOP has the House. And this November may very well win back the majority in the Senate. That will put a stop to this ACA madness.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Which their policies didnt have thus the cancellation........

So why didn't insurance companies attach a rider to the policy to cover added benefits?

You know the answer to that.

 

[thereisnospoon]

ACA is not an insurance policy.

Govt exchange or co...whats the difference.......none by mandate......so once more how would they be getting screwed to get it from govt exchange.......get rdy to kiss more jobs away.....

IMO, as an employer, employers should provide healthcare for their employees that make them all of their money, after all, employer paid healthcare costs are subsidized.

Bullshit, they are.
Yiou seem to forget something. Things such as health insurance, investment accounts, paid time off, paid holidays and sick days are not entitlements. These are fringe benefits.
Fewer and fewer employees are offering them anymore. Not because they don't want to. Because they cannot afford them.
Now all leave is known as "paid time off". To be used only when needed. Essentially these are 'vacation days'.
At many employers federal holidays are no longer paid days off. The employees are told that if they want to be paid, they must use a PTO day. As long as the business is "open" that day, of course.
Many businesses are now electing to pay their employees a stipend whether before or after taxes and letting them then choose their own health plans in the private market.
This is completely legal under ACA as long as the employer pays the payroll taxes on the wages. And THAT is how they will get around this ridiculous trap set by the IRS.
Or, they will start cutting hours. Or, start hiring contract workers and temps.
As hard as government continues to push their agenda, business owners will do what they must to survive in spite of the anti business onslaught from Washington.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Employers attempting to get something for nothing.

You do not believe business will find a way around this bullshit attempt by government to reward insurance companies sympathetic to Obama and his agenda?

If you believe that Obama is 'rewarding' insurance companies by making them spend 80% of premiums collected on claims, include preexisting conditions, and no cap policies....YOU ARE A FOOL!!!!!

The federal government is subsidizing these insurance companies that suffer financial losses due to participation in the exchanges. In other words, we the taxpayers are footing the bill.

 

[thereisnospoon]

So, the IRS is enforcing the law? Good.

No..This time it is the IRS CHANGING the law.
At its own discretion, I might add.
The IRS is an abomination. It is an out of control bureaucracy. It is accountable to no one and it is on a mission.

You seem to have gotten spanked by the IRS. Bad feelings?

This is where your stupid pills have taken effect. How do you make that great leap?
Do you actually LIKE the IRS?