“I need a favor” was about Cloudstrike! Not Biden, not Burisma

[Paulie]

The State Department works for POTUS. Not the other way around.

The bureaucracy only protects itself.

The bureaucracy in this and many cases, is the problem, not the solution.

Proper channels protect president from impeachment. Don't know how to make it any clearer.

So you think presidents should be impeached for telling another country to stop interfering in our elections? Lol we pray for your sanity ha

I think they should be impeached for acting to much like an autocrat. Even most autocrats had a prime minister to blame if international relations hit the fan. Trump cannot look at Pompeo and say it was he who did the dirty.

Do you know the definition of autocrat. And did you take your meds yet?

Yes and yes. Allergies are about killing me.

Allergies huh? I bet donuts to dollars your diet is crap and you don’t drink completely filtered water. Allergies are easily curable with a change in diet and lifestyle.

 

[bullwinkle]

The favor was about cloud strike! lol not Biden or Burisma in fact the Ukraine president brought up first. This is going to be so embarrassing for Democrats

You were there? Because the people who WERE there all say differently. And they say the so-called "transcript" (ie edited summary) left out those names.
So who to believe? Hmmm lets see..we got several diplomats with sterling reputations having everything to lose and nothing to gain, and we got Trump and flunkies who have lied, called truth fake, subverted the Constitution from checks and balances.
Think I'll go with the diplomats who do their duty, fight our wars, face the scorn of sucking pissants like you and Jordan and Meadows and Nunez and Scalia with dignity and dedication to our laws that set our nation above all others.
So you and your flunky buddies can bring up Obama and Soros and Clinton and Voldemort and Snidely Whiplash and all the other villains Trump shadow boxes in his fear of exposure to his actions, but your faith in him is written on the wind at my house.

 

[Third Party]

Democrats keep saying I need a favor was towards Biden, to help trump in the election..

After the president of Ukraine congratulates the President Trump a rooting out corruption in the United States the conversation proceeded to javelin missile’s when Trump said I need a favor about cloud strike and do you know a cloud strike is?
It was about election interference in the two thousand and 16 presidential election the Democrats are begging Trump to fix.

lol this is like the twilight zone!!

The favor was about cloud strike! lol not Biden or Burisma in fact the Ukraine president brought up first. This is going to be so embarrassing for Democrats

This should come out when the hearings are open and the Republicans ask questions the witnesses will be allowed to answer.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Why do you not understand that there are proper channels to ask for assistance of any kind from other nations? We have this thing called a "State Department" that is built to deal with other nations and has a lot of lawyers who know what is proper and what is not. This bureaucracy protects the president from perhaps getting caught conducting diplomacy for his own gain.

Biden's a crook

Biden is a political opponent to Trump.
Trump wanted ukraine to announce an investigation into Biden.
Create the appearance of something wrong with Biden to hurt a political opponent.

This thread is about crowdstrike.
Putin hates crowdstrike because crowdstrike is an effective countermeasure against Putin's best cyber warfare tactics. THAT's why Trump cares.

Trump had no reason to bring up crowdstrike with Zelensky., because crowdstrike has nothing to o with Ukraine. Only reason was to undermine crowdstrike and US intelligence.

Making shit up has done more to damage Stalinist democrats credibility than anything Trump could do

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The language of the conversation actually exaggerates the president

yes, it does indeed exaggerate the president...

 

[Defiant1]

Why do you not understand that there are proper channels to ask for assistance of any kind from other nations? We have this thing called a "State Department" that is built to deal with other nations and has a lot of lawyers who know what is proper and what is not. This bureaucracy protects the president from perhaps getting caught conducting diplomacy for his own gain.

He's the President you dumb fuck. He can use whatever channels he wants.
The State Dept. doesn't run President, The President runs the State Dept.
And the same thing goes for the DOJ, the FBI, the Intel communities, etc.
The President is in charge of the administration.

Trump doesn't like doing things the way they have always been done. That's why we voted for him.

 

[MeBelle]

Can you imagine if it's all released at once? DeClas, Hillary's emails, FisaGate and PedoGate

chaos ...

 

[Penelope]

The CrowdStrike Conspiracy: Here’s Why Trump Keeps Referencing The Cybersecurity Firm
The CrowdStrike Conspiracy: Here’s Why Trump Keeps Referencing The Cybersecurity Firm

• According to the theory, which has been prominent on right-wing blogs and news websites and repeated by Trump and former campaign consultant Roger Stone, Democrats and CrowdStrike concocted evidence to frame Russia for the hack in order to discredit Trump’s win in 2016.
• The supposed evidence of Russia’s innocence relies on the belief that a DNC server has been hidden in Ukraine, possibly by CrowdStrike’s cofounder Dmitri Alperovitch.
• That belief may stem from a statement by President Trump in a 2017 interview with the Associated Press, in which he questioned why the FBI didn’t look at the DNC server, that CrowdStrike is owned by “a very rich Ukrainian.” Alperovitch is actually a Russian-born American citizen.
• Breitbart and the Daily Caller also claim Alperovitch has anti-Russia leanings, solely because he’s a nonresident senior fellow of the Cyber Statecraft Initiative at the Atlantic Council, which the outlets claim takes a hawkish stance against Russia and is funded by left-wing billionaire George Soros.
• In a statement to Forbes, a spokesperson CrowdStrike stated: “With regards to our investigation of the DNC hack in 2016, we provided all forensic evidence and analysis to the FBI. As we’ve stated before, we stand by our findings and conclusions that have been fully supported by the US Intelligence community.”

Prove he is anti Russian leaning?

so why are the republicans still using Crowstrike?
House GOP campaign arm targeted by 'unknown entity' in 2018

 

[flack]

Why do you not understand that there are proper channels to ask for assistance of any kind from other nations? We have this thing called a "State Department" that is built to deal with other nations and has a lot of lawyers who know what is proper and what is not. This bureaucracy protects the president from perhaps getting caught conducting diplomacy for his own gain.

The State Department works for POTUS. Not the other way around.

The bureaucracy only protects itself.

The bureaucracy in this and many cases, is the problem, not the solution.

Proper channels protect president from impeachment. Don't know how to make it any clearer.

So you think presidents should be impeached for telling another country to stop interfering in our elections? Lol we pray for your sanity ha

Fix some popcorn this show is going to be great.

 

[MAGAman]

The transcript only exonerates him if you ignore the supporting evidence, the testimony of witnesses, the lengths they went to hide it and the transcript as well. Your man dropped the ball and his attempt at fumble recovery is not looking good.

More accurately, the transcript only exonerates him if you think what he said is more important than how you feel about it.

How do you feel about it? Enraged? Full of self-righteous indignation? That's how everyone feels about this mess. If I am angry it is the cold kind of anger that sharpens your wits and not your kind of blind rage that clouds your judgement. I look forward to this with all the relish of having to clean a dirty litter box. The shit has got to go but I am not kicking the cat for shitting it.

No... Everyone doesn't feel that way.

There's always outrage on the left when they can't get their way.

They were outraged at the Electoral College when Trump won in a fair election. They were outraged when the false piss story came out. They were outraged about Stormy. They were outraged about the fake Russian Collusion accusations. They were outraged when Trump cut taxes. They were outraged when tax cuts worked. They were outraged when Kavenaugh was nominated.

The Fake Ukraine scandal is all about feeling outrage, not about facts, logic, or reason....

 

[flack]

Can you imagine if it's all released at once? DeClas, Hillary's emails, FisaGate and PedoGate

Oh it's coming.

 

[IM2]

Trump was told there was no Crowdstrike. He suggested the Bidens were into something that should be looked into. There is no out here. The president violated the law. Now do we accept this as standard presidential behavior or not? Because if we accept this, the rules don't change when a democrat does it.

 

[depotoo]

Why do you not understand that there are proper channels to ask for assistance of any kind from other nations? We have this thing called a "State Department" that is built to deal with other nations and has a lot of lawyers who know what is proper and what is not. This bureaucracy protects the president from perhaps getting caught conducting diplomacy for his own gain.

Wrong the President of the United States sets foreign policy, he is the chief executive he can see whatever he likes and whatever he wants it is not against the law to ask the president about the 2016 foreign interference. Democrat media urged trump in a press conference to tell Putin not to interfere in the elections..
The language absolutely exonerates Donald Trump

You miss my point. The president does set foreign policy but the sole instrument of that policy is the US State Department. He tells his Sec. of State what he wants and they try to achieve it within the limits of the law. That way the president is insulated from any blunders or impropriety. Trump was stupid to directly engage in hanky-panky especially for something as fleetingly valuable as political dirt.

The sole instrument? Lol

 

[IM2]

The transcript only exonerates him if you ignore the supporting evidence, the testimony of witnesses, the lengths they went to hide it and the transcript as well. Your man dropped the ball and his attempt at fumble recovery is not looking good.

More accurately, the transcript only exonerates him if you think what he said is more important than how you feel about it.

How do you feel about it? Enraged? Full of self-righteous indignation? That's how everyone feels about this mess. If I am angry it is the cold kind of anger that sharpens your wits and not your kind of blind rage that clouds your judgement. I look forward to this with all the relish of having to clean a dirty litter box. The shit has got to go but I am not kicking the cat for shitting it.

No... Everyone doesn't feel that way.

There's always outrage on the left when they can't get their way.

They were outraged at the Electoral College when Trump won in a fair election. They were outraged when the false piss story came out. They were outraged about Stormy. They were outraged about the fake Russian Collusion accusations. They were outraged when Trump cut taxes. They were outraged when tax cuts worked. They were outraged when Kavenaugh was nominated.

The Fake Ukraine scandal is all about feeling outrage, not about facts, logic, or reason....

Not according to 55 percent of the American people. Your 30 percent represents the loons and nutcases.

 

[MAGAman]

Trump never said nor implied that Ukraine should announce any investigation into the Bidens. BTW, they should investigate it as should the US. It was nefarious at best.

That only flies if you take it in isolation, and not what Rudy and his crew were doing in trying to get that investigation.

How long do you think Rudy is going to go along with being the "Fall Guy" for this? Because that's what he's being set up for.

Much of the top brass, yes. Have you read comments by these folks? You can't actually believe they are unbiased.

yeah, I've read the comments...

Here's the thing. Trump is unfit for office mentally, intellectually and in terms of temperament and experience. BOTH parties know this, and the gag for the last three years is trying to distract him like a cranky toddler to keep him from doing anything really stupid or dangerous.

This time he ran out in the middle of the street.

In Reality.... Unemployment is at a historic lows, especially for American Blacks, Women, Other Minorities, and Veterans. The Stock Market is at an all time high. Wages are at the fastest increase in decades. The Caliphate is gone and the top 2 ISIS leaders are feeding worms.

 

[IM2]

Why do you not understand that there are proper channels to ask for assistance of any kind from other nations? We have this thing called a "State Department" that is built to deal with other nations and has a lot of lawyers who know what is proper and what is not. This bureaucracy protects the president from perhaps getting caught conducting diplomacy for his own gain.

Wrong the President of the United States sets foreign policy, he is the chief executive he can see whatever he likes and whatever he wants it is not against the law to ask the president about the 2016 foreign interference. Democrat media urged trump in a press conference to tell Putin not to interfere in the elections..
The language absolutely exonerates Donald Trump

You miss my point. The president does set foreign policy but the sole instrument of that policy is the US State Department. He tells his Sec. of State what he wants and they try to achieve it within the limits of the law. That way the president is insulated from any blunders or impropriety. Trump was stupid to directly engage in hanky-panky especially for something as fleetingly valuable as political dirt.

The sole instrument? Lol

False equivalence.

 

[depotoo]

Trump was told there was no Crowdstrike. He suggested the Bidens were into something that should be looked into. There is no out here. The president violated the law. Now do we accept this as standard presidential behavior or not? Because if we accept this, the rules don't change when a democrat does it.

What in the world are you talking about? No crowdstrike?

 

[MAGAman]

Not according to 55 percent of the American people. Your 30 percent represents the loons and nutcases.

Keeps clutching your polls.

I'll stick with reality.

 

[bullwinkle]

Trump doesn't like doing things the way they have always been done. That's why we voted for him.

Right! What the hell did those FF who feared a return to monarchy know? Just because they set up checks and balances to guard against a personal unrestricted cult,.... well times have changed. And for you it doesn't take much to tear down that Constitutional wall of emoluments, extortions, subpoena power, court nullifications and petty vindications worthy of a tyrant that those old guys in Philly cobbled together. I love the way you clutch your hearts with tears in your eyes as you consider their sacred mission even as you invalidate their message. And there is no doubt you have a lot of company in the form of Barr, Pompeo, Mulcahey.
But many still remember when our pride was in humility instead of bullying, in kindness instead of stern harshness as in separating children from parents as a punishment, in pride of "good in brotherhood" like the song says instead of "Blood and Soil" and "Jews will not replace us" marches in Cities where protesters are run down by cars. There are many more examples, but you know them all because you have defended them all.
Anyway there are still some left who find your pride in thuggish brutality offensive.

 

[depotoo]

Why do you not understand that there are proper channels to ask for assistance of any kind from other nations? We have this thing called a "State Department" that is built to deal with other nations and has a lot of lawyers who know what is proper and what is not. This bureaucracy protects the president from perhaps getting caught conducting diplomacy for his own gain.

Wrong the President of the United States sets foreign policy, he is the chief executive he can see whatever he likes and whatever he wants it is not against the law to ask the president about the 2016 foreign interference. Democrat media urged trump in a press conference to tell Putin not to interfere in the elections..
The language absolutely exonerates Donald Trump

You miss my point. The president does set foreign policy but the sole instrument of that policy is the US State Department. He tells his Sec. of State what he wants and they try to achieve it within the limits of the law. That way the president is insulated from any blunders or impropriety. Trump was stupid to directly engage in hanky-panky especially for something as fleetingly valuable as political dirt.

The sole instrument? Lol

False equivalence.

Bull. Only in your fantasies.