I live with a son who is mentally ill. I love my son. But he terrifies me.

[AquaAthena]

The mentally ill should be removed and placed somewhere where they cannot harm others. This mother wants someone to step in and fix her son. He can't be fixed. He can't be understood or accommodated. He has to be removed and kept somewhere safe.

Yes, I do agree.

Many families have taken their children with new and strange behaviors, to "experts" in the mental illness fields only to be frustrated with no progress in their child who is often exhibiting an escalating pattern of bizarre behaviors. And after the child is 18, no therapist can reveal to the parents anything about the child/adult. Confidentiality clauses.

 

[Katzndogz]

The mentally ill should be removed and placed somewhere where they cannot harm others. This mother wants someone to step in and fix her son. He can't be fixed. He can't be understood or accommodated. He has to be removed and kept somewhere safe.

Actually it sounds like there isn't anywhere safe for her to send him. He's a danger to himself, his brothers, and himself. Not to mention the others at school. She had the sense to move him from 'gifted' classes to self-contained behavior disordered classes, though little teaching goes on in those classes, thus she referred to babysitting.

Institutions that existed prior to the 1960's certainly left much to be desired, rather than improving, they were closed. When that meant mentally ill children, particularly violent children, the problem was dumped on the home. At 18 or even earlier, many stopped taking their meds, eventually leaving home and many our now the homeless.

Sending a 13 year old, mentally ill boy to a juvenile detention complex doesn't seem the right choice for most. If though he managed to carry through with his threats in 2 or 3 years, he'll be treated as an 'adult.' That is certainly wrong.

There were places that the insane went. I'm sorry that no one can see a causal relationship to closing insane asylums and a rise in attacks by the insane. As well as a rise related to treating mental illness as if it was a broken leg. Instead of helping, all the efforts to "treat" the insane as if they were normal have made things worse. Putting them in regular classes to mainstream them made things worse. Punishing those who indentify the insane has made things worse. Look at this mother. She wants help to maintain her son as if he wasn't insane. What he needs to be is removed to someplace where the cannot hurt anyone. He can't be treated, or medicated unless he's sedated into being comatose. No matter what is done, it's not enough accommodation, not enough understanding, enough of something.

More than that, we provide excuses for the insane to be even more insane than they are. Everything is an excuse. Everything is reasoned away into being someone else's fault. Can't keep guns away from the crazies? Take them away from everyone. It's insane as it is. The same kind of sick society that has courts allowing serial child molesters to live close to where children are apt to congregate is the same kind of sick society that refuses to protect the normal from the criminally insane.

 

[Annie]

The mentally ill should be removed and placed somewhere where they cannot harm others. This mother wants someone to step in and fix her son. He can't be fixed. He can't be understood or accommodated. He has to be removed and kept somewhere safe.

Actually it sounds like there isn't anywhere safe for her to send him. He's a danger to himself, his brothers, and himself. Not to mention the others at school. She had the sense to move him from 'gifted' classes to self-contained behavior disordered classes, though little teaching goes on in those classes, thus she referred to babysitting.

Institutions that existed prior to the 1960's certainly left much to be desired, rather than improving, they were closed. When that meant mentally ill children, particularly violent children, the problem was dumped on the home. At 18 or even earlier, many stopped taking their meds, eventually leaving home and many our now the homeless.

Sending a 13 year old, mentally ill boy to a juvenile detention complex doesn't seem the right choice for most. If though he managed to carry through with his threats in 2 or 3 years, he'll be treated as an 'adult.' That is certainly wrong.

There were places that the insane went. I'm sorry that no one can see a causal relationship to closing insane asylums and a rise in attacks by the insane. As well as a rise related to treating mental illness as if it was a broken leg. Instead of helping, all the efforts to "treat" the insane as if they were normal have made things worse. Putting them in regular classes to mainstream them made things worse. Punishing those who indentify the insane has made things worse. Look at this mother. She wants help to maintain her son as if he wasn't insane. What he needs to be is removed to someplace where the cannot hurt anyone. He can't be treated, or medicated unless he's sedated into being comatose. No matter what is done, it's not enough accommodation, not enough understanding, enough of something.

More than that, we provide excuses for the insane to be even more insane than they are. Everything is an excuse. Everything is reasoned away into being someone else's fault. Can't keep guns away from the crazies? Take them away from everyone. It's insane as it is. The same kind of sick society that has courts allowing serial child molesters to live close to where children are apt to congregate is the same kind of sick society that refuses to protect the normal from the criminally insane.

Exactly my point. There are reasons that prisons today are crowded with the mentally ill, there were no alternatives once they became able to reject meds. One thinks that's 18, but it too often is much earlier, as the mother in Luddie's article stated, 'right now I'm stronger, but that won't be true for much longer.' Now if he becomes sufficiently dangerous at school, the school may change his IEP to an alternative residential placement, but that will end when the school is no longer required to pay for. Due to costs, only the most dangerous in schools get that type of placement.

 

[Truthmatters]

She was a big gun nut.

that was where she went wrong

Really, she went wrong when she allowed her son, who had obvious mental issues, easy access to said guns.

and trained him at the gun range how to shoot

 

[bobcollum]

She was a big gun nut.

that was where she went wrong

Really, she went wrong when she allowed her son, who had obvious mental issues, easy access to said guns.

and trained him at the gun range how to shoot

That doesn't really matter, having access to the weapons unchecked was what enabled him to do what he did.

 

[Katzndogz]

She was a big gun nut.

that was where she went wrong

Really, she went wrong when she allowed her son, who had obvious mental issues, easy access to said guns.

and trained him at the gun range how to shoot

Quite so. She refused to accept his insanity. No doubt when he was a child she went to fight for him if the school tried to remove him from association with normal children. No one is gonna call MY kid different! Lanza's mother was going to teach him how to shoot, make sure he was on the basketball team and kept a close eye on whether or not he was excluded from anything.

Lanza's father and brother both had stopped having anything to do with Adam once he got too bad off. It would be interesting to know whether Mother's devotion to her insane son was a reason for the divorce a few years ago. There is a special crime of those who hang on too long pretending that nothing is wrong.

 

[Katzndogz]

Really, she went wrong when she allowed her son, who had obvious mental issues, easy access to said guns.

and trained him at the gun range how to shoot

That doesn't really matter, having access to the weapons unchecked was what enabled him to do what he did.

And that was his mother's fault. Lanza tried to buy a gun on his own, but was denied. The system worked, but his mother just loved him too much for the system to help her, or him.

 

[bobcollum]

and trained him at the gun range how to shoot

That doesn't really matter, having access to the weapons unchecked was what enabled him to do what he did.

And that was his mother's fault. Lanza tried to buy a gun on his own, but was denied. The system worked, but his mother just loved him too much for the system to help her, or him.

Exactly.

How many mothers do you know that would willingly accept that their child is a threat to society? Probably few to none.

 

[Katzndogz]

That doesn't really matter, having access to the weapons unchecked was what enabled him to do what he did.

And that was his mother's fault. Lanza tried to buy a gun on his own, but was denied. The system worked, but his mother just loved him too much for the system to help her, or him.

Exactly.

How many mothers do you know that would willingly accept that their child is a threat to society? Probably few to none.

Even when they know, they still think it's someone else's fault. But, yes, most of the time the loving mother is in such deep denial that they are usually the first ones murdered.

 

[freedombecki]

She was a big gun nut.

that was where she went wrong

Really, she went wrong when she allowed her son, who had obvious mental issues, easy access to said guns.

That may not be the case. She may have been stopping him from accessing her guns, which could be why he murdered her first.

There's a reason he killed her, and it may not be not known to the general public at this time.

 

[bobcollum]

And that was his mother's fault. Lanza tried to buy a gun on his own, but was denied. The system worked, but his mother just loved him too much for the system to help her, or him.

Exactly.

How many mothers do you know that would willingly accept that their child is a threat to society? Probably few to none.

Even when they know, they still think it's someone else's fault. But, yes, most of the time the loving mother is in such deep denial that they are usually the first ones murdered.

This is why many times, I shrug my shoulders at people that claim it's only the irresponsible gun owners, because really, everyone is responsible until something happens to prove otherwise.

 

[bobcollum]

She was a big gun nut.

that was where she went wrong

Really, she went wrong when she allowed her son, who had obvious mental issues, easy access to said guns.

That may not be the case. She may have been stopping him from accessing her guns, which could be why he murdered her first.

There's a reason he killed her, and it may not be not known to the general public at this time.

If she was stopping him from accessing them, he wouldn't have been able to access them. Seems simple enough.

 

[Annie]

I can't help wondering how many read the link at the first post?

 

[bobcollum]

I did, why?

 

[Jos]

List of school shootings known to be linked to SSRIs

Index to SSRI Stories

 

[Katzndogz]

This is the second worst school shooting tragedy. The first was Virginia Tech. What went wrong at Virginia Tech? Women didn't like Cho? He couldn't get a girlfriend? What? Because it was the SAME reason. A refusal to remove someone obviously insane.

Cho, 23, fired more than 100 shots at his 32 victims, many of whom were crouched in defensive positions at the time they were killed.

Earlier, Cho had been detained by campus police investigating allegations that he was stalking female students, and he was held at a nearby private mental health facility. Officials deemed him to be an "imminent danger to self or others as a result of mental illness," but he still ended back on campus.
Virginia Tech shooting: `We are looking absolutely everywhere' - latimes.com

Had Cho been kept in a secure facility those 32 people would be alive today.

 

[Jos]

Was he given Anti-depression medication?

 

[freedombecki]

Really, she went wrong when she allowed her son, who had obvious mental issues, easy access to said guns.

That may not be the case. She may have been stopping him from accessing her guns, which could be why he murdered her first.

There's a reason he killed her, and it may not be not known to the general public at this time.

If she was stopping him from accessing them, he wouldn't have been able to access them. Seems simple enough.

He could have gotten her out of the way by killing her. After that, he's free to do as he wishes with no restraint. People with his disorder do not have emotional ties to other people. There's a disconnected plug in the brainworks. Sociopathic people may have brain chemicals that function improperly. They may have been born with the defect, or they may be vicims of something called "shaken baby syndrome," where a parent threw a kid up in the air, caught him, brain matter is jolted loose from its fittings. Or shaken the kid when correcting him. Or the kid could have fallen on his head, shaken something loose all by his clumsy little self. Climbed up a ladder and fell off a roof? Accident jolted in a car hit by someone? Lots of reasons people get clobbered in their head hard while growing up. Cord wrapped around neck too tightly can cause brain cells whithering--too many possibilities to mention, and no one may ever know what happened to make someone have actions and thoughts going in different directions.

Brain disconnects happen. Sociopaths are definitely people with disconnected neurons somewhere in the path between thinking and acting out.

 

[freedombecki]

I can't help wondering how many read the link at the first post?

I read it.

 

[bobcollum]

That may not be the case. She may have been stopping him from accessing her guns, which could be why he murdered her first.

There's a reason he killed her, and it may not be not known to the general public at this time.

If she was stopping him from accessing them, he wouldn't have been able to access them. Seems simple enough.

He got her out of the way by killing her. After that, he's free to do as he wishes with no restraint. People with his disorder do not have emotional ties to other people. There's a disconnected plug in the brainworks.

The point is she was killed with the guns he supposedly didn't have access to, so I think that would mean they were accessible.