I knew the day would come, Republican who loves America

[peach174]

so you deny the very definitions of words and deny the complete body of fact finding on the subject?


this is a perfect example of why republicans should never be elected as long as they act in such a facts adverse and dishonest way

So you think that Hillary Clinton supporters are lying with all of the facts that they have?

 

[Truthmatters]

Why do you deny that the founders did not set up a capitalistic society for us?

They in fact set up a system designed to rein in caplitalism by giving the people power over its excesses.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Cost of Voter ID Laws | League of Women Voters of Ohio

"All of these measures entail appreciable costs that states must be prepared to incur if they move forward with photo ID requirements. In addition, states adopting photo ID laws must incur all the administrative costs of changing election procedures, including the costs of materials and training for election officials and poll workers across the state. A fiscal note prepared in conjunction with a proposed photo ID law in Missouri estimated a cost of $6 million for the first year in which the law was to be in effect, followed by recurring costs of approximately $4 million per year.3 When Indiana estimated the costs of its photo ID law, it found that, to provide more than 168,000 IDs to voters, the “[t]otal production costs, including man-power, transaction time and manufacturing” was in excess of $1.3 million, with an additional revenue loss of nearly $2.2 million.4 That estimate apparently did not include a variety of necessary costs, including the costs of training and voter education and outreach. A fiscal note assessing an ID bill in Minnesota estimated at least $250,000 for the manufacturing costs of providing free ID at only 90 locations across the state, the costs of one training conference for county auditors, and some administrative costs.5 The estimate included neither the costs of outreach and education, nor any of the significant costs that would be borne by local governments.6 The note estimated an additional cost of $536,000 per election if each precinct hired just one additional election judge.


While a few million dollars a year may not sound like a lot"

It's not a lot. Best money we could spend.
An insecure ballot is like spitting in the face of the Founders.

 

[Truthmatters]

Whered is your proof there is a problem that needs fixing.

All the fact finding ( including a five year Bush study shows there is no problem to solve).

Why spend money to solve nothing and decrease the numbers of legal American voters who vote?

 

[peach174]

Why do you deny that the founders did not set up a capitalistic society for us?

They in fact set up a system designed to rein in caplitalism by giving the people power over its excesses.

What has this got to do with voter fraud?
You should have posted this in the right thread TM
This is why people get so up set with you.

 

[Truthmatters]

Why do you people HATE Democracy so much you seek to keep people from participating and denying the very fact that we are a Democracy?

 

[Robert]

Cost of Voter ID Laws | League of Women Voters of Ohio

"All of these measures entail appreciable costs that states must be prepared to incur if they move forward with photo ID requirements. In addition, states adopting photo ID laws must incur all the administrative costs of changing election procedures, including the costs of materials and training for election officials and poll workers across the state. A fiscal note prepared in conjunction with a proposed photo ID law in Missouri estimated a cost of $6 million for the first year in which the law was to be in effect, followed by recurring costs of approximately $4 million per year.3 When Indiana estimated the costs of its photo ID law, it found that, to provide more than 168,000 IDs to voters, the “[t]otal production costs, including man-power, transaction time and manufacturing” was in excess of $1.3 million, with an additional revenue loss of nearly $2.2 million.4 That estimate apparently did not include a variety of necessary costs, including the costs of training and voter education and outreach. A fiscal note assessing an ID bill in Minnesota estimated at least $250,000 for the manufacturing costs of providing free ID at only 90 locations across the state, the costs of one training conference for county auditors, and some administrative costs.5 The estimate included neither the costs of outreach and education, nor any of the significant costs that would be borne by local governments.6 The note estimated an additional cost of $536,000 per election if each precinct hired just one additional election judge.


While a few million dollars a year may not sound like a lot"

It's not a lot. Best money we could spend.
An insecure ballot is like spitting in the face of the Founders.

Ya all this as opposed to the hundreds of millions spent on contesting elections because of fraudulent voting. seems to me to be a small price to pay for insuring fair true elections unlike the shams we have been seeing as of late.

 

[Truthmatters]

Why do you deny that the founders did not set up a capitalistic society for us?

They in fact set up a system designed to rein in caplitalism by giving the people power over its excesses.

What has this got to do with voter fraud?
You should have posted this in the right thread TM
This is why people get so up set with you.

what is the name of this thread?

 

[Truthmatters]

Cost of Voter ID Laws | League of Women Voters of Ohio

"All of these measures entail appreciable costs that states must be prepared to incur if they move forward with photo ID requirements. In addition, states adopting photo ID laws must incur all the administrative costs of changing election procedures, including the costs of materials and training for election officials and poll workers across the state. A fiscal note prepared in conjunction with a proposed photo ID law in Missouri estimated a cost of $6 million for the first year in which the law was to be in effect, followed by recurring costs of approximately $4 million per year.3 When Indiana estimated the costs of its photo ID law, it found that, to provide more than 168,000 IDs to voters, the “[t]otal production costs, including man-power, transaction time and manufacturing” was in excess of $1.3 million, with an additional revenue loss of nearly $2.2 million.4 That estimate apparently did not include a variety of necessary costs, including the costs of training and voter education and outreach. A fiscal note assessing an ID bill in Minnesota estimated at least $250,000 for the manufacturing costs of providing free ID at only 90 locations across the state, the costs of one training conference for county auditors, and some administrative costs.5 The estimate included neither the costs of outreach and education, nor any of the significant costs that would be borne by local governments.6 The note estimated an additional cost of $536,000 per election if each precinct hired just one additional election judge.


While a few million dollars a year may not sound like a lot"

It's not a lot. Best money we could spend.
An insecure ballot is like spitting in the face of the Founders.

Ya all this as opposed to the hundreds of millions spent on contesting elections because of fraudulent voting. seems to me to be a small price to pay for insuring fair true elections unlike the shams we have been seeing as of late.

Because your laws are based on LIES.


When will you accpet the facts here?

 

[Robert]

Why do you people HATE Democracy so much you seek to keep people from participating and denying the very fact that we are a Democracy?

Because we are not a Democracy but instead a Representative Republic. For a person who claims that Truthmatters it sure appears that Truth is irrelevant to you

 

[DiamondDave]

TM.... I've just been dying to say this for a while, with all your misinformation, lies, and unabashed hyper-partisan bullshit...

SHUT THE FUCK UP BITCH

 

[Truthmatters]

how is the definition of words out of a dictionary lies?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

"All of these measures entail appreciable costs that states must be prepared to incur if they move forward with photo ID requirements. In addition, states adopting photo ID laws must incur all the administrative costs of changing election procedures, including the costs of materials and training for election officials and poll workers across the state. A fiscal note prepared in conjunction with a proposed photo ID law in Missouri estimated a cost of $6 million for the first year in which the law was to be in effect, followed by recurring costs of approximately $4 million per year.3 When Indiana estimated the costs of its photo ID law, it found that, to provide more than 168,000 IDs to voters, the “[t]otal production costs, including man-power, transaction time and manufacturing” was in excess of $1.3 million, with an additional revenue loss of nearly $2.2 million.4 That estimate apparently did not include a variety of necessary costs, including the costs of training and voter education and outreach. A fiscal note assessing an ID bill in Minnesota estimated at least $250,000 for the manufacturing costs of providing free ID at only 90 locations across the state, the costs of one training conference for county auditors, and some administrative costs.5 The estimate included neither the costs of outreach and education, nor any of the significant costs that would be borne by local governments.6 The note estimated an additional cost of $536,000 per election if each precinct hired just one additional election judge.


While a few million dollars a year may not sound like a lot"

It's not a lot. Best money we could spend.
An insecure ballot is like spitting in the face of the Founders.

Ya all this as opposed to the hundreds of millions spent on contesting elections because of fraudulent voting. seems to me to be a small price to pay for insuring fair true elections unlike the shams we have been seeing as of late.

Because your laws are based on LIES.


When will you accpet the facts here?

The fact is, voter fraud is a problem.
Dems love it because they can't win without it.

 

[Robert]

"All of these measures entail appreciable costs that states must be prepared to incur if they move forward with photo ID requirements. In addition, states adopting photo ID laws must incur all the administrative costs of changing election procedures, including the costs of materials and training for election officials and poll workers across the state. A fiscal note prepared in conjunction with a proposed photo ID law in Missouri estimated a cost of $6 million for the first year in which the law was to be in effect, followed by recurring costs of approximately $4 million per year.3 When Indiana estimated the costs of its photo ID law, it found that, to provide more than 168,000 IDs to voters, the “[t]otal production costs, including man-power, transaction time and manufacturing” was in excess of $1.3 million, with an additional revenue loss of nearly $2.2 million.4 That estimate apparently did not include a variety of necessary costs, including the costs of training and voter education and outreach. A fiscal note assessing an ID bill in Minnesota estimated at least $250,000 for the manufacturing costs of providing free ID at only 90 locations across the state, the costs of one training conference for county auditors, and some administrative costs.5 The estimate included neither the costs of outreach and education, nor any of the significant costs that would be borne by local governments.6 The note estimated an additional cost of $536,000 per election if each precinct hired just one additional election judge.


While a few million dollars a year may not sound like a lot"

It's not a lot. Best money we could spend.
An insecure ballot is like spitting in the face of the Founders.

Ya all this as opposed to the hundreds of millions spent on contesting elections because of fraudulent voting. seems to me to be a small price to pay for insuring fair true elections unlike the shams we have been seeing as of late.

Because your laws are based on LIES.


When will you accpet the facts here?

Just about the Time you show truthful facts but because we see that a snowball has a better chance in Hell than that taking place I'll not hold my breath.

 

[peach174]

Why do you people HATE Democracy so much you seek to keep people from participating and denying the very fact that we are a Democracy?

Because our founding fathers knew that democracies do not work. This is what we have become and this is why our government is not working very well and is broken.
A republic is not a form of democracy, the two are very different.
Democracy Reform

 

[xsited1]

Why do you people HATE Democracy so much you seek to keep people from participating and denying the very fact that we are a Democracy?

Maybe the reason people hate democracy is because it has a history of failure.

 

[whitehall]

What exactly is so restrictive about showing a photo ID to vote? You have to show a photo ID for everything including shoping at Costco. Is it the phony issue about Social Security numbers? Government uses SS numbers for everything. Are we going to see the race card again?

 

[Truthmatters]

Why do you refuse OVER AND OVER again the reasons given you by every study produced oin it.

What sense does it make for you to keep ignoring the facts?

 

[Truthmatters]

Why do you people HATE Democracy so much you seek to keep people from participating and denying the very fact that we are a Democracy?

Because our founding fathers knew that democracies do not work. This is what we have become and this is why our government is not working very well and is broken.
A republic is not a form of democracy, the two are very different.
Democracy Reform

The very defintions of the words show that we live in a democracy.

Why are you lying about the defintions of the words?

 

[Si modo]

Why do you refuse OVER AND OVER again the reasons given you by every study produced oin it.

What sense does it make for you to keep ignoring the facts?

You'd have to present some facts (even one) for them to be ignored.