I got 1000 bucks that says "the super rich" is YOU

[Ray From Cleveland]

Why can't we appreciate a win-win philosophy?
Companies who offer valuable services can share wealth more equitably and have happy workers as well as owners.
There are owners who are not greedy, and we could use more of them.

Then get a job with one of those owners.

A business is not there to make happy workers. A business is there to provide products or services for a profit. A worker is not there to be made happy. A worker is there to provide labor.

There is no win-win situation here. If a business owner overpays labor, his or her competition will put them out of business. That's why many industries were forced to move overseas. I've seen it first hand over a dozen times.

When complaining about wages, you're barking up the wrong tree. It's the American consumer that determines wages. Walmart didn't become number one by having happy workers. Walmart became number one by providing cheap prices and a wide selection of products. Those are paramount issues for many American consumers.

If the American consumer would ever switch their priorities, that's when you'll see good paying American jobs. As for now and probably in the future, Americans could care less where their product is made, how much the workers make, or even if it's from countries that allow child labor. Americans just don't care. We care about price. Because we consumers are too greedy to consider paying more for our product to provide good American jobs.

 

[Al Azar]

If you feel you're not being adequately compensated, take it up with your union rep. Don't have union representation? Whose fault is that?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Since you're asking me personally, I have to say I would have to consider all the factors. I'm a careful man and think things through.

I know you'd like me to say I'd pick the least expensive, but that isn't always the case. Cheapest isn't necessarily the best suited.

But this isn't about me, it's about the value of labor. Some of us value it more than others.

The only point I'm making here is that companies don't do things any different than you or I. You know, people in glass houses......................

It doesn't matter how good you are doing in life, you look to pay the least for a product or service just as I do. And yes, I'm talking about an apples to apples comparison. I just had a plumber come out to snake out a drain. It was full of tree roots. The first person that came out wanted $275.00. The next I called gave me an over the phone price of $225.00. I finally agreed to the third one I called for $180.00. He did just as good of a job as the other two could have.

It took him approximately two hours from start to finish, so he still made a pretty good buck for the day. It averages to $90.00 per hour. But he was cheaper than the other plumbers who wanted $110.00 an hour or $135.00 an hour.

 

[Al Azar]

Myself, I look at the Angie's list reviews and go from there, what I want done and when. The least expensive may be the right one, and if so then I got lucky.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Myself, I look at the Angie's list reviews and go from there, what I want done and when. The least expensive may be the right one, and if so then I got lucky.

Then you think differently than the majority of people and that includes businesses.

 

[Al Azar]

Myself, I look at the Angie's list reviews and go from there, what I want done and when. The least expensive may be the right one, and if so then I got lucky.

Then you think differently than the majority of people and that includes businesses.

I do think differently and attribute the good things in my life to that.

My view of the corporate business world is based on my experience being a part of it. My view of small business is based on living many years in essentially a boomtown, where business doesn't have to do a good job because it doesn't expect any repeat business - there's always fresh meat to take advantage of. And their employees are viewed with the same disdain. They're instantly replaceable.

 

[PredFan]

If Germany & several other countries can do it, then why not the richest country in the world????
7 countries where college is free

In California there was no tuition for state residents. Then Ronald Reagan became governor in '67 and one of his first decrees was establishing tuition for everyone. That priced college out of my reach and the reach of many young men who then were drafted and sent to Viet Nam. Some of them came home, still unable to afford the high cost even with the GI Bill stipend of $175/mo

Hillary's plan might help get things back to normal, for everyone in the country.

You cannot tax the rich enough to pay for college for everyone. Everyone will end up paying higher taxes for it, just like in the countries that already have "free" college.

Germany has free tuition like California used to have, and they are doing well overall.

And Germany pays higher taxes than we do. California is pretty high as well. Free college isn't free.

Neither is street repair "free" for drivers who use the road the most. It's about infrastructure, and no-tuition college for smart students (usually only 18 yrs old) who qualify is an investment in social infrastructure.
I understand Germany ranked very high in the survey on "happiest countries in the world".
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Now you are WAY off the reservation. The point remains, free college isn't free. We will all pay for it.

 

[Norman]

Dear god, this thread is again a perfect example that liberals just fundamentally and completely lack any understanding of most basic of economics.

 

[PK1]

In California there was no tuition for state residents. Then Ronald Reagan became governor in '67 and one of his first decrees was establishing tuition for everyone. That priced college out of my reach and the reach of many young men who then were drafted and sent to Viet Nam. Some of them came home, still unable to afford the high cost even with the GI Bill stipend of $175/mo

Hillary's plan might help get things back to normal, for everyone in the country.

You cannot tax the rich enough to pay for college for everyone. Everyone will end up paying higher taxes for it, just like in the countries that already have "free" college.

Germany has free tuition like California used to have, and they are doing well overall.

And Germany pays higher taxes than we do. California is pretty high as well. Free college isn't free.

Neither is street repair "free" for drivers who use the road the most. It's about infrastructure, and no-tuition college for smart students (usually only 18 yrs old) who qualify is an investment in social infrastructure.
I understand Germany ranked very high in the survey on "happiest countries in the world".

Now you are WAY off the reservation. The point remains, free college isn't free. We will all pay for it.

I never said "free college is free", just like you never said that our investment in the military is "free".
We all pay for the military, which is a social benefit, right?
.

 

[PK1]

Dear god, this thread is again a perfect example that liberals just fundamentally and completely lack any understanding of most basic of economics.

Feel free to elaborate on something specific.
.

 

[Norman]

Dear god, this thread is again a perfect example that liberals just fundamentally and completely lack any understanding of most basic of economics.

Feel free to elaborate on something specific.
.

Sure, for starters it's clear that they have no clue what profit is and what is its function.

But going through the specifics is rather useless, when it's clear they don't even understand the general picture. Namely that other people are not here to give them free benefits. If they understood that people were working primarily to help themselves - just like the leftists themselves in their jobs demanding higher compensation... a lot of this mystery would instantly disappear.

 

[Bush92]

Hillary says she is going to implement free college for the nation.
When asked how she will pay for it, she said she's going to make "the super rich" "pay their fair share"

It's kind of strange because every Socialist plan taxes the working, and has caps for the rich.

I'm willing to bet "the super rich" means YOU, in the form of taxes

Only if your white.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I never said "free college is free",

Post #3

I hope the "rich" taxation will be the basis for free tuition (except for the "1%", who can afford to pay).
If Germany & several other countries can do it, then why not the richest country in the world????

7 countries where college is free

 

[PK1]

Why can't we appreciate a win-win philosophy?
Companies who offer valuable services can share wealth more equitably and have happy workers as well as owners.
There are owners who are not greedy, and we could use more of them.

Then get a job with one of those owners.
A business is not there to make happy workers. A business is there to provide products or services for a profit. A worker is not there to be made happy. A worker is there to provide labor.

There is no win-win situation here. If a business owner overpays labor, his or her competition will put them out of business. That's why many industries were forced to move overseas. I've seen it first hand over a dozen times.

When complaining about wages, you're barking up the wrong tree. It's the American consumer that determines wages. Walmart didn't become number one by having happy workers. Walmart became number one by providing cheap prices and a wide selection of products. Those are paramount issues for many American consumers.

If the American consumer would ever switch their priorities, that's when you'll see good paying American jobs. As for now and probably in the future, Americans could care less where their product is made, how much the workers make, or even if it's from countries that allow child labor. Americans just don't care. We care about price. Because we consumers are too greedy to consider paying more for our product to provide good American jobs.

"we consumers are too greedy to consider paying more for our product to provide good American jobs."

Sadly, i agree with you. Greed is a problem that reflects most individuals within a culture. That's where a government for ALL the people comes into the picture -- to "encourage" citizens to pay taxes & follow social rules (laws) that normally they may not want to do.

So, for example, if a gov mandated an increase in the minimum wage (or sales tax), and the business passes the costs to the consumer, then the consumer would likely pay more for their goods. If not, then the business is probably not worth saving.
.

 

[PK1]

I never said "free college is free"

Post #3

I hope the "rich" taxation will be the basis for free tuition (except for the "1%", who can afford to pay).
If Germany & several other countries can do it, then why not the richest country in the world????
7 countries where college is free

I'll repeat with elaboration ...
I never said "free tuition" (for students) is free for society. I indicated that tuition-free education is a good investment for society.
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[PK1]

Dear god, this thread is again a perfect example that liberals just fundamentally and completely lack any understanding of most basic of economics.

Feel free to elaborate on something specific.

Sure, for starters it's clear that they have no clue what profit is and what is its function.
... other people are not here to give them free benefits. If they understood that people were working primarily to help themselves - just like the leftists themselves in their jobs demanding higher compensation... a lot of this mystery would instantly disappear.

EVERYONE wants higher compensation, not just leftists.
EVERYONE doing a decent job is worth a decent minimum wage.
.

 

[Norman]

Dear god, this thread is again a perfect example that liberals just fundamentally and completely lack any understanding of most basic of economics.

Feel free to elaborate on something specific.

Sure, for starters it's clear that they have no clue what profit is and what is its function.
... other people are not here to give them free benefits. If they understood that people were working primarily to help themselves - just like the leftists themselves in their jobs demanding higher compensation... a lot of this mystery would instantly disappear.

EVERYONE wants higher compensation, not just leftists.
EVERYONE doing a decent job is worth a decent minimum wage.
.

Indeed, if only the hard left understood that. Instead they think that the people investing into the companies are there for charity and the benefit of the leftists. Not so, just like they themselves aren't working or investing for someone else's benefit.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

EVERYONE wants higher compensation, not just leftists.
EVERYONE doing a decent job is worth a decent minimum wage.

No, they are not worth a decent minimum wage. What they are worth is what a company can get anybody else to do the same quality of work for.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I'll repeat with elaboration ...
I never said "free tuition" (for students) is free for society. I indicated that tuition-free education is a good investment for society.

And you also included a link with the title of 7 countries where college is free to make your point.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

"we consumers are too greedy to consider paying more for our product to provide good American jobs."

Sadly, i agree with you. Greed is a problem that reflects most individuals within a culture. That's where a government for ALL the people comes into the picture -- to "encourage" citizens to pay taxes & follow social rules (laws) that normally they may not want to do.

So, for example, if a gov mandated an increase in the minimum wage (or sales tax), and the business passes the costs to the consumer, then the consumer would likely pay more for their goods. If not, then the business is probably not worth saving.

Absolutely. We pay for all those high taxes on corporations, all those expensive regulations, all those environmental costs. We all pay for that.

Those who think that when a company incurs more costs, they just dig deeper into their pockets are just kidding themselves.

But we have two problems when it comes to employment today: automation and outsourcing.

Believe it or not, automation is more responsible for American job losses than outsourcing. Even today, fast food chains like McDonald's and Wendy's are purchasing machines to replace workers. And while my crystal ball is no more accurate than yours, I predict their customers won't even give a damn. And when you go shopping, take note of more and more lines for self-checkout. It's no accident. Stores are trying to train us to do the jobs of cashiers. At some point, we won't even have the choice anymore just like what happened to full-serve gasoline years ago.

Speaking of which, I went to see my doctor several months ago at the Cleveland Clinic. I walked up to the check in desk and was met by empty chairs. The lights behind the desk were unlit. As I stood there in confusion, a woman walked up to me and escorted me to their new kiosks. Now you have to check yourself in just to see the doctor.

That being said, do you really think raising rising minimum wage will help or hurt people given the rapid technology that's taking our jobs away? After all, only 3% of our workforce works for minimum wage, and most of those workers are kids, college students, retirees just looking to get out of the house.