I got 1000 bucks that says "the super rich" is YOU

[Al Azar]

There should be no legislated minimum wage.

 

[francoHFW]

The left has been promising to go after the wealthy for decades and yet they never have. Middle class always gets the bill.

The only time the left go after the wealthy is when they need money for their campaigns. And, in return, they kiss their asses.

Blocked by the GOP, dupe. For 35 years.

 

[francoHFW]

If Germany & several other countries can do it, then why not the richest country in the world????

7 countries where college is free
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In California there was no tuition for state residents. Then Ronald Reagan became governor in '67 and one of his first decrees was establishing tuition for everyone. That priced college out of my reach and the reach of many young men who then were drafted and sent to Viet Nam. Some of them came home, still unable to afford the high cost even with the GI Bill stipend of $175/mo

Hillary's plan might help get things back to normal, for everyone in the country.

wasn't college like 4 grand per year back then?
i'm going to have to call BS on that story

And a VW was $1500. Duh.

 

[francoHFW]

"we consumers are too greedy to consider paying more for our product to provide good American jobs."

Sadly, i agree with you. Greed is a problem that reflects most individuals within a culture. That's where a government for ALL the people comes into the picture -- to "encourage" citizens to pay taxes & follow social rules (laws) that normally they may not want to do.

So, for example, if a gov mandated an increase in the minimum wage (or sales tax), and the business passes the costs to the consumer, then the consumer would likely pay more for their goods. If not, then the business is probably not worth saving.

Absolutely. We pay for all those high taxes on corporations, all those expensive regulations, all those environmental costs. We all pay for that.

Those who think that when a company incurs more costs, they just dig deeper into their pockets are just kidding themselves.

But we have two problems when it comes to employment today: automation and outsourcing.

Believe it or not, automation is more responsible for American job losses than outsourcing. Even today, fast food chains like McDonald's and Wendy's are purchasing machines to replace workers. And while my crystal ball is no more accurate than yours, I predict their customers won't even give a damn. And when you go shopping, take note of more and more lines for self-checkout. It's no accident. Stores are trying to train us to do the jobs of cashiers. At some point, we won't even have the choice anymore just like what happened to full-serve gasoline years ago.

Speaking of which, I went to see my doctor several months ago at the Cleveland Clinic. I walked up to the check in desk and was met by empty chairs. The lights behind the desk were unlit. As I stood there in confusion, a woman walked up to me and escorted me to their new kiosks. Now you have to check yourself in just to see the doctor.

That being said, do you really think raising rising minimum wage will help or hurt people given the rapid technology that's taking our jobs away? After all, only 3% of our workforce works for minimum wage, and most of those workers are kids, college students, retirees just looking to get out of the house.

35 million work for less than 10.55...265. 3/4 OF MIN WAGERS ARE over 20.
Demographics of Low-Wage Workers

 

[Indeependent]

If Germany & several other countries can do it, then why not the richest country in the world????

7 countries where college is free
.

In California there was no tuition for state residents. Then Ronald Reagan became governor in '67 and one of his first decrees was establishing tuition for everyone. That priced college out of my reach and the reach of many young men who then were drafted and sent to Viet Nam. Some of them came home, still unable to afford the high cost even with the GI Bill stipend of $175/mo

Hillary's plan might help get things back to normal, for everyone in the country.

wasn't college like 4 grand per year back then?
i'm going to have to call BS on that story

As I recall, the tuition for the University of California system went from zero to $750 per semester ($5,400 today). There were no student loans in those days. We worked our way through college, but a $10,000+/yr nut right out of the blue was catastrophic for a teenager.

how about reducing tuition at colleges and books are so fucking overpriced it's insane...reduce the cost of those.

Bu, bu, bu, but the Liberal perfessurhs won't get their an-yual rayz-ez!

 

[francoHFW]

If Germany & several other countries can do it, then why not the richest country in the world????

7 countries where college is free
.

In California there was no tuition for state residents. Then Ronald Reagan became governor in '67 and one of his first decrees was establishing tuition for everyone. That priced college out of my reach and the reach of many young men who then were drafted and sent to Viet Nam. Some of them came home, still unable to afford the high cost even with the GI Bill stipend of $175/mo

Hillary's plan might help get things back to normal, for everyone in the country.

wasn't college like 4 grand per year back then?
i'm going to have to call BS on that story

As I recall, the tuition for the University of California system went from zero to $750 per semester ($5,400 today). There were no student loans in those days. We worked our way through college, but a $10,000+/yr nut right out of the blue was catastrophic for a teenager.

how about reducing tuition at colleges and books are so fucking overpriced it's insane...reduce the cost of those.

Bu, bu, bu, but the Liberal perfessurhs won't get their an-yual rayz-ez!

Actually, the corporationism of U's under Reaganism is the problem. And as always the fed tax cuts make for hard times for the states, which cut aid for U's and raise THEIR taxes which hit the nonrich harder.

 

[francoHFW]

OP- It's a CONSPIRACEE! Of GOP dunces...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

35 million work for less than 10.55...265. 3/4 OF MIN WAGERS ARE over 20.
Demographics of Low-Wage Workers

Yes, and do you know the age bracket for kids in college? Dummy.

Minimum wage workers tend to be young. Although workers under age 25 represented only about one-fifth of hourly paid workers, they made up about half of those paid the Federal minimum wage or less. Among employed teenagers paid by the hour, about 21 percent earned the minimum wage or less, compared with about 3 percent of workers age 25 and over. (See table 1 and table 7.)

Characteristics of Minimum Wage Workers: 2012

 

[francoHFW]

35 million work for less than 10.55...265. 3/4 OF MIN WAGERS ARE over 20.
Demographics of Low-Wage Workers

Yes, and do you know the age bracket for kids in college? Dummy.

Minimum wage workers tend to be young. Although workers under age 25 represented only about one-fifth of hourly paid workers, they made up about half of those paid the Federal minimum wage or less. Among employed teenagers paid by the hour, about 21 percent earned the minimum wage or less, compared with about 3 percent of workers age 25 and over. (See table 1 and table 7.)

Characteristics of Minimum Wage Workers: 2012

Mainly under 21? Whatever way you look at it, we should have a living wage for non-teenagers. We're a pander to the rich GOP disgrace, dupe.

 

[PredFan]

You cannot tax the rich enough to pay for college for everyone. Everyone will end up paying higher taxes for it, just like in the countries that already have "free" college.

Germany has free tuition like California used to have, and they are doing well overall.

And Germany pays higher taxes than we do. California is pretty high as well. Free college isn't free.

Neither is street repair "free" for drivers who use the road the most. It's about infrastructure, and no-tuition college for smart students (usually only 18 yrs old) who qualify is an investment in social infrastructure.
I understand Germany ranked very high in the survey on "happiest countries in the world".

Now you are WAY off the reservation. The point remains, free college isn't free. We will all pay for it.

I never said "free college is free", just like you never said that our investment in the military is "free".
We all pay for the military, which is a social benefit, right?
.

Dude, that's what this discussion is about remember? If we both agree that free college isn't free then we are done.

 

[jillian]

yep anyone making more than 25k....super rich!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

want to try that again using a fact-based reality?

from that liberal bastion: Forbes

It's Clinton Versus Trump: A Comparison Of The Final Two Tax Plans

trump's "plan" is more cuts for the wealthy

unless you make more than a quarter million a year (which you clearly don't) hillary's plan will affect you minimally or not at all. the 4% surcharge comes in when you earn more than five million a year (which you clearly don't).

 

[Skull Pilot]

What the gimme gimme gimme crowd doesn't seem to understand is you get what you pay for.

So free shit is just that SHIT

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Mainly under 21? Whatever way you look at it, we should have a living wage for non-teenagers. We're a pander to the rich GOP disgrace, dupe.

No Dupe. Minimum wage increases have a domino effect that hurts the entire country. Teens and college kids don't need a living wage. They just need extra money. It's no different today than when I was a kid working minimum wage.

You libs won't be happy until you wipe out all those starting jobs where young people can get some experience at working, learning how to work various machines, obtaining various skills to prepare for future jobs. Because when you push industry, industry pushes back, and that's why many are turning towards automation which BTW, is getting more and more affordable for companies.

 

[owebo]

I hope the "rich" taxation will be the basis for free tuition (except for the "1%", who can afford to pay).
If Germany & several other countries can do it, then why not the richest country in the world????

I'm sure you do.
...
Free college: tax the rich.
Lower the US deficit: tax the rich.
Repair the infrastructure: tax the rich.
Cleaner air and water: tax the rich.

Yeah, i don't have much sympathy for the 1% rich who leech off of society.
I don't think fewer expensive cars or homes or vacations at fancy hotels or other nice shit will hurt them much, but will help the less fortunate and shared social infrastructure.
.

What the fuck is 'shared social infrastructure?'

Thanks....

 

[owebo]

"Just how much is YOUR fair share of what somebody else worked for?"
Thomas Sowell

That's what what I kept asking when I was in the workforce. We're doing all the work and the shareholders are collecting the profits. How about sharing them more fairly with those of us who are producing the wealth?

Labor doesn't produce wealth....

You want what shareholders are getting, buy shares.....

 

[PK1]

"we consumers are too greedy to consider paying more for our product to provide good American jobs."

Sadly, i agree with you. Greed is a problem that reflects most individuals within a culture. That's where a government for ALL the people comes into the picture -- to "encourage" citizens to pay taxes & follow social rules (laws) that normally they may not want to do.

So, for example, if a gov mandated an increase in the minimum wage (or sales tax), and the business passes the costs to the consumer, then the consumer would likely pay more for their goods. If not, then the business is probably not worth saving.

we have two problems when it comes to employment today: automation and outsourcing.
Believe it or not, automation is more responsible for American job losses than outsourcing.
... do you really think raising rising minimum wage will help or hurt people given the rapid technology that's taking our jobs away?

Good Q 's.
Obviously, technology is here to stay, and we need to adapt to its revolution, for better & worse (trial/error lessons).

Bad or premature automation, such as many corporate or NSA "Big Data" systems (privacy concerns), self-driving cars, IoT (Internet of Things), EHR (Electronic Health Records) & associated monitoring devices (esp IoT/wireless), drones, etc,
needs responsible impartial/gov oversight ... unlike what we had/have in the food industry that sold & continues to sell unnatural & unhealthy crap to uneducated consumers (more so in US than EU).

Automation is a TOOL, like a gun or bomb, that can be used for both bad and good activities, depending on motives.
I'm always looking for win-win outcomes ... for consumers/laborers as well as business owners.
Not easy when greed prevails.
.

 

[PK1]

I hope the "rich" taxation will be the basis for free tuition (except for the "1%", who can afford to pay).
If Germany & several other countries can do it, then why not the richest country in the world????

I'm sure you do.
...
Free college: tax the rich.
Lower the US deficit: tax the rich.
Repair the infrastructure: tax the rich.
Cleaner air and water: tax the rich.

Yeah, i don't have much sympathy for the 1% rich who leech off of society.
I don't think fewer expensive cars or homes or vacations at fancy hotels or other nice shit will hurt them much, but will help the less fortunate and shared social infrastructure.

What the fuck is 'shared social infrastructure?'

Society has a common ground between its citizens. We all want our freedoms, but we need to compromise for the common good when living among others, like paying taxes to support police/military for our social/private security, and paying taxes to support K-12 education for ALL kids.

Investing in our citizens's mental health (education) benefits society as a whole, according to some countries like Germany; they subsidize college tuition with the hope it will enhance common benefits in their "shared social infrastructure" ... which may enhance overall perceptions of "happiness" among its citizens.
.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Automation is a TOOL, like a gun or bomb, that can be used for both bad and good activities, depending on motives.
I'm always looking for win-win outcomes ... for consumers/laborers as well as business owners.
Not easy when greed prevails.

When it comes to employment, there is no good with automation. Good for the consumer? You bet. The less people for a company to pay, the cheaper consumers can buy their products.

Unless we can make a law (or levy a harsh tax) to stop manufacturers from turning to automation, the best thing we can do is make it more affordable for them to hire humans instead. Increasing minimum wage or as some call, a living wage, is doing just the opposite. It encourages businesses to make that investment. It's the same thing that takes place when forcing companies over 50 full time employees to have to provide healthcare coverage. Buy a machine and save yourself six figures a year by keeping your staff under 50 people.

If you raise the minimum wage one dollar an hour, it costs the employer $40.00 extra dollars to pay each employee every week.........so many think. What most don't realize is that's just the start. When you increase wages, you have many other costs besides that wage, so it ends up costing an employer much more than $40.00 a week.