CDZ I do not understand the fascination with and demand for semi-automatic rifles

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  1. yiostheoy
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    Jeeze Adolf is still with us.

    Volkswagens.

    Autobahns.

    Rockets.

    Buzz bombs.

    Blitzkrieg.

    And Sturm Gewehr.
     
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    And yet, we need not wonder where you went. We know you went to a different thread to complain about the goings on in this one.

    ??? It was clear to me then and it remains clear that you didn't understand (1) the rhetorical point of the OP in that thread and (2) what the hell I requested; consequently, you provided content that answers a question that wasn't being asked. You could have provided literally all the supporting evidence in the world and it still would not have addressed the actual question I posed. I ignored most of what you had to say because you're 70 years-old and didn't address the central question of that thread.

    As I made clear to another member, the point of the OP in that thread is this:
    To avoid the formal and precise language of economics, I, in that thread's OP, I expressed the central question in layman's terms and as a statement, thinking that readers could from that statement derive what must necessarily be the question the thread entreats them to answer.
    The entirety of the remainder of that OP is nothing other than my sharing broadly the nature of what I'd observed in seeking the answer to my question.

    What you did was share different observations and challenge the ones I shared. That's all well and good, but that those observations can and do exist -- yours or mine -- does not answer the central question:
    • In layman's terms: "Why are folks so fascinated with semi-automatic rifles?"
    • In economic terms: "What motivates the elasticity and substitution conclusions consumers obtain when demanding (effective and latent) semi-automatic rifles?"
    If one doesn't have an answer to the question, well, one just doesn't. I don't have an answer to it, so I'm not going to ridicule someone else for not having an answer to it. If one wants to post and say "I don't know the answer to your question," that's fine too. But don't sit there feeling dejected because I didn't respond to your remarks that don't answer the thread question. Yes, the question was tacitly posed, but still, you're 70 year-old; it shouldn't have overtaxed your abilities to get from a statement to a question.

    Hell, in your first post in that thread, you deigned to tell me with what consumer sub-groups certain firearms are popular. Why you did so is beyond me, for my OP made it clear that I already knew that semi-automatic rifles are popular. With whom they are popular is irrelevant to that thread's central question unless one/you show (credibly, not just your say-so) that the specific people or consumer sub-groups with whom they are popular are the people driving demand for item under consideration (in that thread's case, semi-automatic rifles).
    Absent providing input that explains why folks are so fascinated with semi-automatic rifles, one might also have shown that the premise of the question -- that folks are fascinated with semi-automatic rifles -- is not true. Such a tack would be very difficult to credibly take, but it's an option and effectively showing the inaccuracy of the question's implicit premise does directly address the question.

    Lastly, your notion of providing credible support for things and mine are clearly very different. I can sit here and attest to being an expert in the fields in which I am; however, insofar as I don't care to yield the freedom from professional controversy I here enjoy on account of my anonymity, I am not going to identify myself and point folks to my publications and achievements. Because I'm not going to offer anyone here a means for verifying my status as an expert in a few disciplines, when I'm assert something about a matter for which I am an expert, I nonetheless provide links to credible references rather than bidding readers to rely on my say-so. I do that because as an expert, it's no trouble at all for me to do so -- 30 seconds to a minute is all it takes because I know exactly what I'm looking for, the names of authors (researchers) who've written about the matter, etc. Truly, the majority of those few seconds is spent finding a document that's available in the public domain and that doesn't require one to purchase it.

    Contrast that with what you did. You undertook to tell me about all your experience with guns and bid me to take your word for it.
    Quite simply, I cannot verify any of that. But I'm not insisting that you provide the means for me to do so. Documentary support published by other experts and that I can read will do just fine. Indeed, that approach, when well executed, can obviate the need for you (or anyone) to be a widely acknowledged expert. But here's the key: experts on "whatever" don't generally misconstrue what be the central question being asked and, in turn, answer a question that's not been asked. There is, however, one genre of sometimes-experts who do that: politicians.​
     
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    they are fun...why fire once when one can rapid fire....i dont care for autos...but damn i wanted a flame thrower so flipping bad....and they sold out in no time...crazy is crazy auto crazy or flame thrower crazy
     
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    "And yet, we need not wonder where you went. We know you went to a different thread to complain about the goings on in this one"
    Correct. At the time I still wanted some response from you and you had clearly stopped following this one..

    "??? It was clear to me then and it remains clear that you didn't understand (1) the rhetorical point of the OP in that thread and (2) what the hell I requested; consequently, you provided content that answers a question that wasn't being asked. You could have provided literally all the supporting evidence in the world and it still would not have addressed the actual question I posed. I ignored most of what you had to say because you're 70 years-old and didn't address the central question of that thread."

    Wrong. I made no attempt to respond to a rhetorical point. I did you the courtesy answering the question the OP asked. Correctly I might add. If you don't care why semiautomatic rifles are popular, you shouldn't ask. At this point in the thread what should be clear to you is that nobody knows what the hell you think you are trying to ask. It's nobody's fault but your own if you're unable or unwilling to ask a coherent question. My only guess at this point is that you attach some strange and unusual meaning to the word "fascination". But I've grown tired of trying to get you to divulge what it is you want to know. I have no reason to believe you are anything other than brilliant in your chosen field but you obviously tend to forget that you are the layman when it comes to this subject and you would be well advised to listen and consider what you are told rather than acting like a contemptuous know-it-all when you are actually clueless.

    Lastly, your notion of providing credible support for things and mine are clearly very different.
    Absolutely. You don't seem to understand what it is.
    Further, you don't seem to understand that I have absolutely no reason to care what you can or cannot verify. If you doubt something I state as fact you always have the option to check it but don't expect someone else to do your research for you.

    I ignored most of what you had to say because you're 70 years-old and didn't address the central question of that thread."
    Cute. Child, I've forgotten far more than you will ever know.



     
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    What about them?

    Are those the weapons that a light infantry ought to possess? No.

    Semi-automatic weapons with high capacity magazines is what a light infantry ought to possess.
     
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    I don't think full auto is effective as a semi-auto because you can't control the accuracy as well. Besides, it is possible to accurately fire a semi-auto almost as fast.



     
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    What does light infantry have to do with "shall not be infringed"?
     
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    The right to bear arms

    -Geaux
     
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    I was addressing your other stuff comment.

    You want me to explain the shall not be infringed?
     
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    That’s a whole lot of work there just to say “I don’t know why anyone would like or need them so there is no reason anyone should like or need them”.
     

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