Hush Money Trial Starts Monday: Ex-Playmate Karen McDougal details 'love' affair with Trump

[dudmuck]

Well you certainly implied that when you invoked it as rationale for charging Trump with the felonies...

I don't think anyone thinks Cohen did what he did for any reason other than to help Trump. He was his attorney and "fixer" as they say.

That doesn't mean Trump told him to do something illegal, especially regarding the payments to Daniels and McDougal- that was not illegal and didn't come from campaign funds.

Trump didn't orchestrate any of that arrangement- the Enquirer approached Cohen with the proposition and Cohen worked it out with the Enquirer. I'm sure Trump was made aware, but again- that is not illegal.

Cohen entered into the deal with the Mueller investigation because he had a Damocles sword hanging over his head. The bank fraud charge alone carried a maximum 30-year sentence. He agreed to the campaign finance charge to get a lighter sentence, obviously.

That plea deal was penned by Weissmann, and Cohen signed. If he makes any public statement that contradicts the deal, he voids the agreement and faces a long stretch in the hoosegow...

Cohen's payments to Stormy & Karen exceeded the $2700 limit of campaign contribution. A violation of FEC rules.

 

[para bellum]

Cohen's payments to Stormy & Karen exceeded the $2700 limit of campaign contribution. A violation of FEC rules.

Yeah, we know that. Cohen pled guilty to it.

The construction was Weissmann's. He is the one that called it a campaign contribution, even though Trump paid the money back starting January 2017.

It was never tested, and there are lots of things that can be called "in kind" contributions. Hell, corporate media shills for democrat candidates on an almost constant basis, and no one ever calls it a campaign finance violation.

If you want to go into campaign finance violations, there is a really, really, long list of candidates who have violated FEC rules.

The question here is how does Cohen's case apply to the case that Bragg brought in New York? If there was something chargeable against Trump in what Cohen did, it would have been charged years ago.

Trump was the target, not Cohen or Manafort or Popadopolous- they were only prosecuted because they were on Trump's periphery.

 

[konradv]

Umm, it was the DOJ who said the money came from the Trump Organization...

Michael Cohen Pleads Guilty In Manhattan Federal Court To Eight Counts, Including Criminal Tax Evasion And Campaign Finance Violations

Trump doesn’t use his own money. If the DOJ said that, they just haven’t figured out how he laundered it yet.

 

[konradv]

But…there isn’t anything that says it was campaign cash. Also, it doesn’t pay to believe anything thing that comes from the democrat camp either..so…..where does that leave us?

Trump doesn’t use his own money. Trump doesn’t use his own money. Trump doesn’t use his own money…

 

[ThisIsMe]

Trump doesn’t use his own money. Trump doesn’t use his own money. Trump doesn’t use his own money…

Trump didn’t use campaign cash, Trump didn’t use campaign cash, Trump didn’t use campaign cash.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Trump didn’t use campaign cash, Trump didn’t use campaign cash, Trump didn’t use campaign cash.

Correct, he used business funds to pay for a personal NDA and charged it as a business expense.

Which is...

• Not tax deductible as boinking a porn star while in Vegas for a golf tournament has nothing to do with the Trump Organization business, and
• Exceeds the business entity campaign contribution limit (candidates can make personal unlimited contributions, but the Trump Organization is a business entity seperate from candidate FPOTUS#45).

WW

 

[ThisIsMe]

Correct, he used business funds to pay for a personal NDA and charged it as a business expense.

Which is...

• Not tax deductible as boinking a porn star while in Vegas for a golf tournament has nothing to do with the Trump Organization business, and
• Exceeds the business entity campaign contribution limit (candidates can make personal unlimited contributions, but the Trump Organization is a business entity seperate from candidate FPOTUS#45).

WW

If it was indeed a campaign contribution. Maybe Trump says “I was just trying to keep it away from my family”?

 

[WorldWatcher]

If it was indeed a campaign contribution. Maybe Trump says “I was just trying to keep it away from my family”?

#1 His family already knew. The boinking was in 2006 and media reported it in 2011.

#2 Court documents say the DA has evidence that they were going to try to delay the patent the 11 days until the election then stuff Daniels. Meaning the didn’t mind the story getting out to the press after the election. If it was to protect the family the 11 days wouldn’t matter.

WW

 

[MarathonMike]

I would call the "Hush Money" trial pure chicken shit, but that would be an insult to chickens.

 

[surada]

Trump didn’t use campaign cash, Trump didn’t use campaign cash, Trump didn’t use campaign cash.

Criminal defense attorney Stacey Schneider says that former President Donald Trump was "rattled" following a Sandoval hearing in the New York hush money trial where he heard a recounting of his criminal history.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Criminal defense attorney Stacey Schneider says that former President Donald Trump was "rattled" following a Sandoval hearing in the New York hush money trial where he heard a recounting of his criminal history.

An opinion…meh..

 

[para bellum]

Correct, he used business funds to pay for a personal NDA and charged it as a business expense.

Which is...

• Not tax deductible as boinking a porn star while in Vegas for a golf tournament has nothing to do with the Trump Organization business, and
• Exceeds the business entity campaign contribution limit (candidates can make personal unlimited contributions, but the Trump Organization is a business entity seperate from candidate FPOTUS#45).

WW

No, the funds to pay Cohen's invoices came from the DJT Revocable Trust. That is per the court docs. He was the sole donor and beneficiary, and also the sole trustee when the payments to Cohen were made. His companies are held by the trust, but the payments did not come from a company account.

Since the Manhattan DA's office has 8 years of Trump tax returns, and he has never been charged with any violations of the tax code or campaign finance laws, I will take your opinion on those matters with a grain of salt...

 

[WorldWatcher]

No, the funds to pay Cohen's invoices came from the DJT Revocable Trust. That is per the court docs. He was the sole donor and beneficiary, and also the sole trustee when the payments to Cohen were made. His companies are held by the trust, but the payments did not come from a company account.

That may be an interesting point, don't know if that find point may matter in court.

#1 As you can see from the images above, the Trust was administered by the Trump Organization, so not sure if the separation you are trying to claim actually exists. Since if the Trump Organization was administering the Trust an keep records of transaction, they are still a business entity.

#2 As you can also see from the images above. Where checks were drawn from the Trust the check indicates its from the Trust and the indictment show it in the specific charge. Where the check came from the Trump organization the check is different and the reference to the Trust is omitted from the specific charge.

So even if the "Trust" charges (IIRC 1-7) are disqualified, the remaining 28 so based on the Trump Organization solely remain in play.

WW

 

[Rigby5]

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Ex-Playboy model Karen McDougal revealed intimate details about her “love” affair with former President Trump Friday — while announcing her surprising pick for president in 2024.

McDougal — one of the women at the center of Trump’s Manhattan “hush money” charges — is a lifelong Republican who voted for him in 2016.

“He can be crass and vulgar, but when he has his kind moments, it’s lovely to see because it shows there’s still a human in there,” she explained.

“He needs to have more compassion for people in general — a lot more.”

McDougal described a tender 10-month relationship with the married then-reality TV star beginning in 2006.

“I was in love with him. He was in love with me. I know that because he told me all the time,” the actress told the Mail. “He’d say, ‘You’re my baby and I love you.’ He showed me off to his friends.”

More at the link below...

Ex-Playmate Karen McDougal details 'love' affair with Trump​

We must not forget that Karen McDougal will also be a witness at Trump's hush money trial. She had a ten-month affair with Trump. What do you think.

There is nothing illegal about humans having affairs, but it is immoral if not illegal to "kiss and tell".

 

[konradv]

No, the funds to pay Cohen's invoices came from the DJT Revocable Trust. That is per the court docs. He was the sole donor and beneficiary, and also the sole trustee when the payments to Cohen were made. His companies are held by the trust, but the payments did not come from a company account.

Since the Manhattan DA's office has 8 years of Trump tax returns, and he has never been charged with any violations of the tax code or campaign finance laws, I will take your opinion on those matters with a grain of salt...

The fact that Trump has skated in the past is proof of nothing.

 

[Rigby5]

Good looking piece of ass, but not worth $150,000 dollars to screw while your wife is nursing your newborn. The man simply has no morals, self-discipline and is lousy with money.

That is for voters to decide, since there is nothing illegal about what he did.

 

[WorldWatcher]

That is for voters to decide, since there is nothing illegal about what he did.

Just curious, do you really not understand that FPOTUS#45 isn't charged with having an NDA, he's charged with falsification of business records in the method that he paid the NDA. And yes those are two different things.

If FPOTUS#45 had gotten a certified check from one of his personal accounts and used that the pay Daniels, then the DA would have no case.

WW

 

[Rigby5]

Correct, he used business funds to pay for a personal NDA and charged it as a business expense.

Which is...

• Not tax deductible as boinking a porn star while in Vegas for a golf tournament has nothing to do with the Trump Organization business, and
• Exceeds the business entity campaign contribution limit (candidates can make personal unlimited contributions, but the Trump Organization is a business entity seperate from candidate FPOTUS#45).

WW

Wrong.
All celebrities are legally allowed to write off PR hush money, and do it all the time.
It is a legitimate business expense since the point of his campaign was to gain about a half million dollar income as president.
Its an investment, NOT a campaign gift.

 

[White 6]

That is for voters to decide, since there is nothing illegal about what he did.

The voters get to decide whether she is a Good looking piece of ass, but not worth $150,000 dollars to screw while your wife is nursing your newborn?
Wow! Democracy has come a long way, baby!

 

[Rigby5]

Just curious, do you really not understand that FPOTUS#45 isn't charged with having an NDA, he's charged with falsification of business records in the method that he paid the NDA. And yes those are two different things.

If FPOTUS#45 had gotten a certified check from one of his personal accounts and used that the pay Daniels, then the DA would have no case.

WW

Wrong.
What you are claiming is that the payment has to be labeled as to what he was being blackmailed over, and that is false.
It is perfectly legal to label the funds transferred as anything you want, as long as it was an expense and not profit.

The DA has no case.
The payment can come from Trump, his Inc, his lawyer, his accountant, or anyone he wants.
This was NOT a campaign contribution to someone else who was running, but it was Trump who was running, so then was a legitimate investment towards the half million salary presidents get paid.