How would you fight China?

[Sunshine]

Why can't people stop themselves from posting nonsense like this?

Why can't you do youself and us a favor and stop breathing!

Give me an example for a few hours and I'll think about it.

You're going to stop fucking your little dog long enough to do that?

 

[Billo_Really]

Really? Iran constitutes about .6% of Russia's total foreign trade. Russia does nearly twice as much business with the US as it does Iran. They are certainly not going to get in a thermonuclear war over this. It would make no sense.

I believe it's quite possible that US or Israel backed by the US will do a surgical strike against Iranian nuclear development sites. China and Russian will lodge strong protests with the UN. However, neither Russia nor China gives a damn about Iran. Iran is neither economically or militarily of any real significance to either country. It's just a bargaining chip.

You would hope they wouldn't, but the facts are, they've already warned us not to.

BREAKING NEWS: Russia warns Israel not to attack Iran

During his upcoming visit to Moscow, Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Liberman will hear warnings against an attack on Iran.

Appearing on Russian TV Friday, Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov said the problems concerning Iran’s nuclear energy programme must be sorted out by diplomatic means, and any attack on Iran would trigger a region-wide conflagration.

Russia is Iran's ally. What do we do when someone attacks our ally's?

Russia warns of serious global ramifications if Iran attacked

In an exclusive interview with the Voice of Russia aired on Thursday, Russian Foreign Ministry Spokesman Alexander Lukashevich warned against a military strike on Iran.

Israel needs to realize, Russia ain't Egypt or Syria.

Russia can kick Israel's ass!

Russia: Attack On Iran Would Be Catastrophic

“Of course any possible military scenario against Iran will be catastrophic for the region and for the whole system of international relations,” Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Gennady Gatilov told a news conference, MNA reported.

“I hope Israel understands all these consequences … and they should also consider the consequences of such action for themselves,” Gatilov said.

 

[Unkotare]

Why can't you do youself and us a favor and stop breathing!

Give me an example for a few hours and I'll think about it.

You're going to stop fucking your little dog long enough to do that?

I look forward to reading your posts after you finish Jr High. Imagine how clever they will be then!

 

[Unkotare]

Japan breaks China's stranglehold on rare metals with sea-mud bonanza - Telegraph

 

[Franticfrank]

Hopefully it will never come to a conflict between the United States and China. A survey on China's growing military power as a threat to the national security of the United States shows that 51% of people in the U.S. believe China's growing military strength is threatening. And it depends on the type of conflict. The U.S. could probably repel a Chinese attack on Taiwan by itself.

However, if there is a massive and drawn out conflict, the United States would have to search for help in order to win. If India and the European nations were involved, and conscription was introduced, there would be a chance of winning. But still, I believe there will be no war as China and the U.S. cannot be occupied by each other and any conflict would be at odds with both countries trade interests.

 

[8236]

Just listen to yourselves! If there is one country in the world that for 3000 years sought not to invade and make war on others the prize has to go to China. On the contrary it has over the years been repeatedly invaded, raped and pillaged (think Arabs, Mongols, Manchus, British, French, Japanese). I don't recall America having the concept of a 'century of humiliation' or even of being invaded (the war of 1812 hardly compares to the Jap occupation of China). Are you surprised then if the Chinese are a tad paranoid about the machinations of foreign powers and so engage in a bit of cyber warfare? FFS, Chinese invented gunpowder and generally did nothing more warlike with it than make fireworks!

On the other hand take Caucasions as a race - our history is one long litany of war - war - war, and from most of the posts above it is obvious that American mentality has taken over that of pre WWII Europe: as the world's trouble maker in chief - and proud of it.

What is it with you people? You won the cold war, and now you need a new bogey man in order to justify spending as much on defence as the rest of the world combined?

 

[Unkotare]

Just listen to yourselves! If there is one country in the world that for 3000 years sought not to invade and make war on others the prize has to go to China. On the contrary it has over the years been repeatedly invaded, raped and pillaged (think Arabs, Mongols, Manchus, British, French, Japanese). I don't recall America having the concept of a 'century of humiliation' or even of being invaded (the war of 1812 hardly compares to the Jap occupation of China). Are you surprised then if the Chinese are a tad paranoid about the machinations of foreign powers and so engage in a bit of cyber warfare? FFS, Chinese invented gunpowder and generally did nothing more warlike with it than make fireworks!

That is one huge pile of ignorant shit. Learn some history before pontificating on it. Talk about ridiculous...

 

[8236]

Just listen to yourselves! If there is one country in the world that for 3000 years sought not to invade and make war on others the prize has to go to China. On the contrary it has over the years been repeatedly invaded, raped and pillaged (think Arabs, Mongols, Manchus, British, French, Japanese). I don't recall America having the concept of a 'century of humiliation' or even of being invaded (the war of 1812 hardly compares to the Jap occupation of China). Are you surprised then if the Chinese are a tad paranoid about the machinations of foreign powers and so engage in a bit of cyber warfare? FFS, Chinese invented gunpowder and generally did nothing more warlike with it than make fireworks!

That is one huge pile of ignorant shit. Learn some history before pontificating on it. Talk about ridiculous...

Yes, your track record speaks for itself. 'Drive by' was the comment someone made above; very apt. On the other hand, if you were to expand on your thinking rather than just making meaningless comments...

My my, if this thread is anything to go by, then forum standards haved slipped considerably in the last few months.

 

[waltky]

Uncle Ferd says dem Chinamens know all dat karate an' judo an' kung fu...

Kissinger on U.S.-China Conflict: ‘Very Hard to See How Either Country Would Really Defeat the Other’
March 25, 2013 -- Dr. Henry Kissinger, former Secretary of State and National Security Adviser to President Richard Nixon, said if the United States and China entered into a military conflict, it would be “very hard to see how either country would really defeat the other.”

“Here we have with China a country with a different culture, considerable development and can they outdo us in a military way? I can't conceive it,” Kissinger said during a Mar. 15 appearance at the World Affairs Council of Dallas/Fort Worth, TX. “But if they tried to do this, we will have a conflict, a ridden period. I think we should attempt -- and that will be only if they join us -- to see whether in a world in which there are so many problems to be solved, we can evolve a cooperative model,” he said.

Kissinger added that “it’s very hard to see” how either the U.S. or Chinese military would be able to defeat the other army. “From a purely military point of view, it's very hard to see how either country would really defeat the other, but when you have energy, nonproliferation, cyber issues -- which really is a shorthand for all the new technologies under development -- I think a cooperative effort is needed to see whether they can be solved,” he said. The newly elected president of China, Xi Jinping, is currently traveling to different countries, first stopping in Russia (last Friday), where he met with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

President Barack Obama spoke with Xi on Mar. 14 to congratulate him on his election to the presidency, and to discuss a number of issues, including North Korea, international trade and cyber-security threats. “The president underscored his firm commitment to increasing practical cooperation to address Asia’s and the world’s most pressing economic and security challenges,” according to a Mar. 14 statement issued by the White House. “The President highlighted the threat to the United States, its allies, and the region from North Korea’s nuclear and missile programs, and stressed the need for close coordination with China to ensure North Korea meets its denuclearization commitments,” the statement said.

Kissinger on U.S.-China Conflict: ?Very Hard to See How Either Country Would Really Defeat the Other? | CNS News

 

[Unkotare]

Just listen to yourselves! If there is one country in the world that for 3000 years sought not to invade and make war on others the prize has to go to China. On the contrary it has over the years been repeatedly invaded, raped and pillaged (think Arabs, Mongols, Manchus, British, French, Japanese). I don't recall America having the concept of a 'century of humiliation' or even of being invaded (the war of 1812 hardly compares to the Jap occupation of China). Are you surprised then if the Chinese are a tad paranoid about the machinations of foreign powers and so engage in a bit of cyber warfare? FFS, Chinese invented gunpowder and generally did nothing more warlike with it than make fireworks!

That is one huge pile of ignorant shit. Learn some history before pontificating on it. Talk about ridiculous...

Yes, your track record speaks for itself. 'Drive by' was the comment someone made above; very apt. On the other hand, if you were to expand on your thinking rather than just making meaningless comments...

My my, if this thread is anything to go by, then forum standards haved slipped considerably in the last few months.

Is this your way of admitting you don't know the first thing about Chinese history? How do you think China took on the dimensions it has today? Everyone just got together and agreed on it? Smaller kingdoms warred with each other, conquered each other and expanded into larger states. Those states took over or were taken over by other states and further expanded the area that would become what we know as China today. Even the most cursory reading of history will show the incredible areas that were invaded, conquered, and absorbed over the millenia. Ask Korea about China never invading anywhere. Ask Vietnam or any country in SEA. Ask Tibet. Ask Xinjiang. If it weren't for a few well-timed typhoons you might ask Japan.

The whole 'gun powder was only ever used for fireworks' bit is also a myth.

Just because China suffered under European colonialism doesn't mean they never made war in their own right.

 

[8236]

That is one huge pile of ignorant shit. Learn some history before pontificating on it. Talk about ridiculous...

Yes, your track record speaks for itself. 'Drive by' was the comment someone made above; very apt. On the other hand, if you were to expand on your thinking rather than just making meaningless comments...

My my, if this thread is anything to go by, then forum standards haved slipped considerably in the last few months.

Is this your way of admitting you don't know the first thing about Chinese history? How do you think China took on the dimensions it has today? Everyone just got together and agreed on it? Smaller kingdoms warred with each other, conquered each other and expanded into larger states. Those states took over or were taken over by other states and further expanded the area that would become what we know as China today. Even the most cursory reading of history will show the incredible areas that were invaded, conquered, and absorbed over the millenia. Ask Korea about China never invading anywhere. Ask Vietnam or any country in SEA. Ask Tibet. Ask Xinjiang. If it weren't for a few well-timed typhoons you might ask Japan.

The whole 'gun powder was only ever used for fireworks' bit is also a myth.

Just because China suffered under European colonialism doesn't mean they never made war in their own right.

1: The 'divine wind' invasion of Japan was carried out by the.... Mongols.
2: Yes China evolved as the result of a warfare between various smaller states, but it has essentially remained within its current borders for hundreds of years. (I'm no fan of Chinese actions in Tibet (nor for that matter its human rights record), but, Tibet (and Xinjiang - virtually unpopulated anyway) was part of China hundreds of years ago).
3: The wars you refer to are all border squabbles between China and its neighbours - mainly carried out since the commies took over. The Chinese are essentially an inward looking people - at least a damn sight more so than Europeans and Americans. They don't tend to meddle in other peoples affairs (wall of China anyone?). If this were not the case then, for instance, Siberia would not be Russian, but Chinese. Also, if the vast Chinese Empire, in its heyday had carried on like the various European states, we would almost certainly have Chinese as the world's lingua franca, not English.

How many foreign wars of conquest can you think of carried out by the various Chinese dynasties? Off the top of my head I can think of a military expedition to the Caspian sea c. 200 AD (which was really an embassy to Rome), a few naval operations in the 14th century which were more about trade rather than conquest and maybe a few minor invasions of Indonesia and Vietnam at some point - again, most probably carried out by China under the Mongols). Kind of pales into insignificance compared to the conquest of the new world, the rape of Africa, the crusades, violent Arab conquests etc.
4: Gunpowder: note I said 'generally'.

 

[SteadyMercury]

Well it isn't exactly like they have an Amphibious force which could land 1 billion plus soldiers on U.S. soil, so reality dictates that it's an impossible scenario to begin with, and thus an unanswerable question.

This be it.

China has a lot of manpower but lacks force projection capabilities, which is a strength of the US. China lacks sufficient airlift, sufficient bluewater navy to take a conventional fight anywhere but countries on their border or near their coasts. We aren't even sure they could successfully invade Taiwan (which is right across the straits) must less deliver and maintain a large fighting contingent to another continent.

If the United States was to go to war with China over some country in Africa or the Middle East their challenge would be supply line vulnerable to the US military. We'd enjoy the benefits of many military bases overseas to supply from and strike from, as well as a huge advantage in airlift and sea transport. The best China could do to hamper US supply lines would probably be harassment of shipping lanes via their submarine forces.

For strategic country-to-country strike what does China hit the US mainland? Maybe some cruise missiles from submarines? Their long range bomber is basically a Chinese version of the old Soviet Tu-16, that might threaten Japan or Korea but the it would barely be considered an intercontinental threat and sure doesn't have the range to approach US mainland.

Bottom line aside from cyberassault a war with China would be on US terms.

 

[Sunshine]

Well it isn't exactly like they have an Amphibious force which could land 1 billion plus soldiers on U.S. soil, so reality dictates that it's an impossible scenario to begin with, and thus an unanswerable question.

This be it.

China has a lot of manpower but lacks force projection capabilities, which is a strength of the US. China lacks sufficient airlift, sufficient bluewater navy to take a conventional fight anywhere but countries on their border or near their coasts. We aren't even sure they could successfully invade Taiwan (which is right across the straits) must less deliver and maintain a large fighting contingent to another continent.

If the United States was to go to war with China over some country in Africa or the Middle East their challenge would be supply line vulnerable to the US military. We'd enjoy the benefits of many military bases overseas to supply from and strike from, as well as a huge advantage in airlift and sea transport. The best China could do to hamper US supply lines would probably be harassment of shipping lanes via their submarine forces.

For strategic country-to-country strike what does China hit the US mainland? Maybe some cruise missiles from submarines? Their long range bomber is basically a Chinese version of the old Soviet Tu-16, that might threaten Japan or Korea but the it would barely be considered an intercontinental threat and sure doesn't have the range to approach US mainland.

Bottom line aside from cyberassault a war with China would be on US terms.

They supplied soldiers to Vietnam for years and years. m

 

[Unkotare]

Yes, your track record speaks for itself. 'Drive by' was the comment someone made above; very apt. On the other hand, if you were to expand on your thinking rather than just making meaningless comments...

My my, if this thread is anything to go by, then forum standards haved slipped considerably in the last few months.

Is this your way of admitting you don't know the first thing about Chinese history? How do you think China took on the dimensions it has today? Everyone just got together and agreed on it? Smaller kingdoms warred with each other, conquered each other and expanded into larger states. Those states took over or were taken over by other states and further expanded the area that would become what we know as China today. Even the most cursory reading of history will show the incredible areas that were invaded, conquered, and absorbed over the millenia. Ask Korea about China never invading anywhere. Ask Vietnam or any country in SEA. Ask Tibet. Ask Xinjiang. If it weren't for a few well-timed typhoons you might ask Japan.

The whole 'gun powder was only ever used for fireworks' bit is also a myth.

Just because China suffered under European colonialism doesn't mean they never made war in their own right.

1: The 'divine wind' invasion of Japan was carried out by the.... Mongols...

Guess where Kubla Khan's capital was located? Again, study some history and you'll get the big picture.

 

[Unkotare]

2: Yes China evolved as the result of a warfare between various smaller states,.

Through war, invasion, and conquest. Sound familiar?

 

[Unkotare]

but it has essentially remained within its current borders for hundreds of years...

Many of those countries I mentioned would gladly educate you otherwise.

 

[Unkotare]

Tibet (and Xinjiang - virtually unpopulated anyway) was part of China hundreds of years ago). ..

Go ask the Uyghurs about that. Go ask the Tibetans. I have.

 

[Unkotare]

3: The wars you refer to are all border squabbles between China and its neighbours - mainly carried out since the commies took over. ..

Again, you demonstrate a deep ignorance of history.

 

[Uncensored2008]

China lacks the naval or air power to offer a serious conventional threat to the USA. Masses of bodies stopped being an effective tactic with the Romans. America has an incredible technological advantage. We could not invade and hold China, but neither could China take Taiwan by force. They would be crushed on the high seas.

But I agree with most others here, there is zero chance of a war between the USA and China.

 

[tjvh]

Well it isn't exactly like they have an Amphibious force which could land 1 billion plus soldiers on U.S. soil, so reality dictates that it's an impossible scenario to begin with, and thus an unanswerable question.

This be it.

China has a lot of manpower but lacks force projection capabilities, which is a strength of the US. China lacks sufficient airlift, sufficient bluewater navy to take a conventional fight anywhere but countries on their border or near their coasts. We aren't even sure they could successfully invade Taiwan (which is right across the straits) must less deliver and maintain a large fighting contingent to another continent.

If the United States was to go to war with China over some country in Africa or the Middle East their challenge would be supply line vulnerable to the US military. We'd enjoy the benefits of many military bases overseas to supply from and strike from, as well as a huge advantage in airlift and sea transport. The best China could do to hamper US supply lines would probably be harassment of shipping lanes via their submarine forces.

For strategic country-to-country strike what does China hit the US mainland? Maybe some cruise missiles from submarines? Their long range bomber is basically a Chinese version of the old Soviet Tu-16, that might threaten Japan or Korea but the it would barely be considered an intercontinental threat and sure doesn't have the range to approach US mainland.

Bottom line aside from cyberassault a war with China would be on US terms.

They supplied soldiers to Vietnam for years and years. m

Remind me again what Oceans lie between China and Vietnam...