Zone1 How we repair it: White Americans’ attitudes toward reparations

[AZrailwhale]

But the question is WHY did they turn into hellholes?

Could it be because they were poorly designed, overcrowded and generally not nice to live in?

They were no more crowded or poorly designed than other apartment complexes. In fact, they were held up as examples of good design and the future of the cities.

 

[JoeB131]

They were no more crowded or poorly designed than other apartment complexes. In fact, they were held up as examples of good design and the future of the cities.

Held up by who?

The fact is, they were eyesores and they cities couldn't tear them down fast enough.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Held up by who?

The fact is, they were eyesores and they cities couldn't tear them down fast enough.

The people who ordered and built them. Most of them are still standing and occupied.

 

[ActionJackson]

It seems that the concept of reparations is a problem. Apparently that is based on a lack of knowledge about history. Most just reflexively while not really knowing the iinformation that makes the case for reparations. So it appears that an education as to why reparations should be paid needs to happen and included is the information that can and will be used as part of the case.

The opposition to reparations being paid for something that happened 200 years ago is invalid, you will see why in a few seconds.

How we repair it: White Americans’ attitudes toward reparations​

The United States is again at a crossroads of racial reckoning. The death of George Floyd and the 2020 summer of protests for racial justice added new urgency to ongoing discussions about the legacy of slavery and its contemporary implications for the lives of Black Americans. A key question at the root of this discussion is: how do we repair the harm – economic, physical, and psychological — caused to Black lives by slavery, Jim Crow, redlining, police brutality, and other manifestations of systemic racism?
The United States has used reparations—targeted initiatives intended to concretely repair a harm against a person or persons resulting from the collective action of others—as a means of acknowledging and atoning for its role in other atrocities, including the internment of Japanese Americans and the forced removal and destruction of six indigenous communities: the Ottawas of Michigan, the Chippewas of Wisconsin, the Seminoles of Florida, the Sioux of South Dakota, the Klamaths of Oregon, and the Alaska Natives.* However, the descendants of Africans enslaved on U.S. soil have been notably absent from this history of reparative actions. While the task of reparations seems daunting to many Americans considering the scale of injustice presented by slavery and its aftermath, we believe this is a conversation the country needs to have.

Given that white Americans gained the most from slavery and its compounded effects — a process referred to as unjust enrichment – is their widespread opposition to reparations rooted in maintaining this advantage?

How we repair it: White Americans’ attitudes toward reparations | Brookings

Ashley V. Reichelmann and Matthew O. Hunt explore white Americans’ attitudes toward reparative policies and social factors affecting their views.

www.brookings.edu

1970: Richard Nixon signed into law House Resolution 471 restoring Blue Lake and surrounding area to the Taos Pueblo (New Mexico). The land had been taken by presidential order in 1906. (A History of the Indians in the United States by Angie Debo (Norman, OK: University of Oklahoma Press, 1984, p. 422); see also "Taos Pueblo celebrates 40th anniversary of Blue Lake's return" by Matthew van Buren, Santa Fe New Mexican, September 18, 2010.)

The payments from 1971-1988 are taken from the booklet Black Reparations Now! 40 Acres, $50 Dollars, and a Mule, + Interest by Dorothy Benton-Lewis; and borrowed from N’COBRA (National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America).

1971: Around $1 billion + 44 million acres of land: Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act.

1974: A $10 million out-of-court settlement was reached between the U.S. government and Tuskegee victims, black men who had been unwitting subjects of a study of untreated syphilis, and who did not receive available treatments. (“The Tuskegee Timeline”, CDC, updated March 2, 2020.)

1980: $81 million: Klamaths of Oregon. ("Spending Spree" by Dylan Darling, Herald and News (Klamath Falls, OR), June 21, 2005.)

1980: $105 million: Sioux of South Dakota for seizure of their land. (United States v. Sioux Nation of Indians, 448 U.S. 371 (1980).)

1985: $12.3 million: Seminoles of Florida. (see Racial Justice in America: A Reference Handbook by David B. Mustard, 2002, ABC-CLIO, p. 81.)

1985: $31 million: Chippewas of Wisconsin. (see Racial Justice in America: A Reference Handbook by David B. Mustard, 2002, ABC-CLIO, p. 81.)

1986: $32 million per 1836 Treaty: Ottawas of Michigan. (see Racial Justice in America: A Reference Handbook by David B. Mustard, 2002, ABC-CLIO, p. 81.)

2016: The U.S. government reached a settlement of $492 million with 17 Native American tribes to resolve lawsuits alleging the federal government mismanaged tribal land, resources, and money. (“U.S. Government To Pay $492 Million To 17 American Indian Tribes” by Rebecca Hersher, NPR, September 27, 2016.)

2018: The Supreme Court, in a 4-4 deadlock, let stand a lower court's order to the state of Washington to make billions of dollars worth of repairs to roads, where the state had built culverts below road channels and structures in a way that prevented salmon from swimming through and reaching their spawning grounds, that had damaged the state’s salmon habitats and contributed to population loss. The case involved the Stevens Treaties, a series of agreements in 1854-55, in which tribes in Washington State gave up millions of acres of land in exchange for "the right to take fish." Implicit in the treaties, courts would later rule, was a guarantee that there would be enough fish for the tribes to harvest. Destroying the habitat reduces the population and thus violates these treaties. This decision directly affects the Swinomish Tribe. ("A Victory For A Tribe That’s Lost Its Salmon" by John Eligon, The New York Times, June 12, 2018.)

Were any of you alive when those tribes were forcibly removed or cheated?

My attitude towards reparations is that I believe that black people should pay me since my White ancestors fought, bled, and died freeing the slaves and since the freed slaves were given the right to vote and since they are enjoying all of the inventions of White men. I think $12,000.00 per year ought to cover it.

As for George (big time felon) Floyd ... good riddance. The world is a better place without that dangerous thug roaming the streets.

 

[JoeB131]

The people who ordered and built them. Most of them are still standing and occupied.

Not in CHicago, we levelled them to the ground.

So have many other cities.

 

[Hector12]

If Negroes are owed racial reparations, why are American Negroes so much better off than colored people in black run, black majority countries?

How have whites benefited from the presence of blacks? How do we benefit now?

 

[JoeB131]

If Negroes are owed racial reparations, why are American Negroes so much better off than colored people in black run, black majority countries?

How have whites benefited from the presence of blacks? How do we benefit now?

Slaves built this country.

Show me a black run country that didn't have a negative interaction with white Europeans.

 

[Hector12]

Slaves built this country.

Show me a black run country that didn't have a negative interaction with white Europeans.

European empires in sub Saharan Africa built schools, hospitals, water purification plants, electricity to the Negroes. These are in decay since the whites left.

 

[JoeB131]

European empires in sub Saharan Africa built schools, hospitals, water purification plants, electricity to the Negroes. These are in decay since the whites left.

They did nothing of the sort. They exploited these countries for their resources.

 

[Hector12]

They did nothing of the sort. They exploited these countries for their resources.

Says you.

Europeans brought the light of civilization into the dark continent.

 

[JoeB131]

Says you.

Europeans brought the light of civilization into the dark continent.

says the people who live in those countries.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

They did nothing of the sort. They exploited these countries for their resources.

I'm glad whites stopped exploiting South Africa by growing food, providing jobs and electricity.

 

[JoeB131]

I'm glad whites stopped exploiting South Africa by growing food, providing jobs and electricity.

They never stopped exploiting them, that's the thing. White folks were allowed tokeep their ill-gotten wealth.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

They never stopped exploiting them, that's the thing. White folks were allowed tokeep their ill-gotten wealth.

Well, at least white food and white electricity are less of an issue.

 

[Hector12]

says the people who live in those countries.

Negroes benefited from their association with us. They brought us nothing but problems: crime, welfare experience, and bad examples.

 

[JoeB131]

I'm glad whites stopped exploiting South Africa by growing food, providing jobs and electricity.

They never stopped exploiting them, that's the thing. White folks were allowed tokeep their ill-gotten wealth.

Negroes benefited from their association with us. They brought us nothing but problems: crime, welfare experience, and bad examples.

Yes, yes, Jamal stuffed you into that locker and you still aren't over it.

 

[Hector12]

They never stopped exploiting them, that's the thing. White folks were allowed tokeep their ill-gotten wealth.

Yes, yes, Jamal stuffed you into that locker and you still aren't over it.

Exploitation is a Marxist myth. Whites benefited Negroes by hiring them. Our economy is placing a greater premium on intelligence. This benefits Jews and Orientals and harms colored people.

Whenever you know you are losing an argument you bring up your friend Jamal. I am fortunate in that few Negroes attended the schools I did. None of them were named Jamal. Ask your friend if he knows who his father is. People named Jamal rarely do.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

They never stopped exploiting them, that's the thing. White folks were allowed tokeep their ill-gotten wealth.

Yes, yes, Jamal stuffed you into that locker and you still aren't over it.

Right.
Now they aren't being exploited to buy white food or white electricity.
Reliable food and energy are such a white thing.

 

[JoeB131]

Exploitation is a Marxist myth. Whites benefited Negroes by hiring them. Our economy is placing a greater premium on intelligence. This benefits Jews and Orientals and harms colored people.

Yes, keep telling yourself that. It will be hilarious if you find yourself in an assisted living and it's person of color taking care of you.

Whenever you know you are losing an argument you bring up your friend Jamal. I am fortunate in that few Negroes attended the schools I did. None of them were named Jamal. Ask your friend if he knows who his father is. People named Jamal rarely do.

You've never come close to winning an argument.... you are a sad little man.

 

[JoeB131]

Right.
Now they aren't being exploited to buy white food or white electricity.
Reliable food and energy are such a white thing.

Again, the whites never really went away in South Africa... Except Elon, who proves that they are kind of awful people.