How Obama Lost Iraq.

[WelfareQueen]

Obama's former Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta states in a new book what everyone with a grain of intelligence knows.....Obama was so eager to get out of Iraq they did not negotiate in good faith to leave U.S. forces in the Country. Hence, the rise of ISIS and the terrible mess we are currently experiencing in the Middle East.

Here is a key quote.


Washington (AFP) - Former Pentagon chief Leon Panetta has denounced the White House in a new memoir, accusing President Barack Obama's top aides of undercutting efforts to secure a deal in 2011 that could have kept US troops in Iraq.

"Flournoy at the Defense Department argued our case, and those on our side viewed the White House as so eager to rid itself of Iraq that it was willing to withdraw rather than lock in arrangements that would preserve our influence and interests," he wrote.

"To my frustration, the White House coordinated the negotiations but never really led them.

"Officials there seemed content to endorse an agreement if State and Defense could reach one, but without the President’s active advocacy, al-Maliki was allowed to slip away," he wrote.


The deal slipped away.


A link to the full story.

Obama team wanted US out of Iraq Panetta - Yahoo News

 

[Luddly Neddite]

How many more threads on this lie?

It was BUSH who lost Iraq - long before Obama was elected.

 

[Taz]

The US never "won" in Iraq, therefore, you can't "lose" something you never had.

 

[AquaAthena]

Obama's former Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta states in a new book what everyone with a grain of intelligence knows.....Obama was so eager to get out of Iraq they did not negotiate in good faith to leave U.S. forces in the Country. Hence, the rise of ISIS and the terrible mess we are currently experiencing in the Middle East.

Here is a key quote.


Washington (AFP) - Former Pentagon chief Leon Panetta has denounced the White House in a new memoir, accusing President Barack Obama's top aides of undercutting efforts to secure a deal in 2011 that could have kept US troops in Iraq.

"Flournoy at the Defense Department argued our case, and those on our side viewed the White House as so eager to rid itself of Iraq that it was willing to withdraw rather than lock in arrangements that would preserve our influence and interests," he wrote.

"To my frustration, the White House coordinated the negotiations but never really led them.

"Officials there seemed content to endorse an agreement if State and Defense could reach one, but without the President’s active advocacy, al-Maliki was allowed to slip away," he wrote.


The deal slipped away.


A link to the full story.

Obama team wanted US out of Iraq Panetta - Yahoo News

Yep, his refusal to leave enough troops in Iraq, created the vacuum for the birth of ISIS. Another Obama success story.

 

[WelfareQueen]

How many more threads on this lie?

It was BUSH who lost Iraq - long before Obama was elected.

Yeah.....I guess you're right....Obama's former CIA Director and Secretary of Defense wouldn't have a clue...right?

Obama blew it.....just admit it and move along.

 

[Taz]

Obama's former Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta states in a new book what everyone with a grain of intelligence knows.....Obama was so eager to get out of Iraq they did not negotiate in good faith to leave U.S. forces in the Country. Hence, the rise of ISIS and the terrible mess we are currently experiencing in the Middle East.

Here is a key quote.


Washington (AFP) - Former Pentagon chief Leon Panetta has denounced the White House in a new memoir, accusing President Barack Obama's top aides of undercutting efforts to secure a deal in 2011 that could have kept US troops in Iraq.

"Flournoy at the Defense Department argued our case, and those on our side viewed the White House as so eager to rid itself of Iraq that it was willing to withdraw rather than lock in arrangements that would preserve our influence and interests," he wrote.

"To my frustration, the White House coordinated the negotiations but never really led them.

"Officials there seemed content to endorse an agreement if State and Defense could reach one, but without the President’s active advocacy, al-Maliki was allowed to slip away," he wrote.


The deal slipped away.


A link to the full story.

Obama team wanted US out of Iraq Panetta - Yahoo News

Yep, his refusal to leave enough troops in Iraq, created the vacuum for the birth of ISIS. Another Obama success story.

Why is it that Americans have to die in Iraq, when the Iraqis themselves just run away? Fuck them, that's what I say.

 

[WelfareQueen]

The US never "won" in Iraq, therefore, you can't "lose" something you never had.

Who said "we won"?


Got anymore Strawmen you want to knock down.

 

[WelfareQueen]

Obama's former Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta states in a new book what everyone with a grain of intelligence knows.....Obama was so eager to get out of Iraq they did not negotiate in good faith to leave U.S. forces in the Country. Hence, the rise of ISIS and the terrible mess we are currently experiencing in the Middle East.

Here is a key quote.


Washington (AFP) - Former Pentagon chief Leon Panetta has denounced the White House in a new memoir, accusing President Barack Obama's top aides of undercutting efforts to secure a deal in 2011 that could have kept US troops in Iraq.

"Flournoy at the Defense Department argued our case, and those on our side viewed the White House as so eager to rid itself of Iraq that it was willing to withdraw rather than lock in arrangements that would preserve our influence and interests," he wrote.

"To my frustration, the White House coordinated the negotiations but never really led them.

"Officials there seemed content to endorse an agreement if State and Defense could reach one, but without the President’s active advocacy, al-Maliki was allowed to slip away," he wrote.


The deal slipped away.


A link to the full story.

Obama team wanted US out of Iraq Panetta - Yahoo News

Yep, his refusal to leave enough troops in Iraq, created the vacuum for the birth of ISIS. Another Obama success story.

Why is it that Americans have to die in Iraq, when the Iraqis themselves just run away? Fuck them, that's what I say.

Good plan. Those nice folks with ISIS won't come after us...right? They'll stay in Iraq and Syria and behave like good boys. This is why Liberals should never be involved in Foreign Policy. Sticking your head in your ass is not an effective strategy.

 

[The Rabbi]

How many more threads on this lie?

It was BUSH who lost Iraq - long before Obama was elected.

Yes, it was dat BOOSH! BOOSH achieved every objective set for the US at the outset of the war, despite downright traitorous behavior in Congress. When BOOOSH left Iraq was a relatively stable democracy. That somehow translates in libspeak as failure.
Obama fucked up the SOFA, refused to exert leverage to insure troops staying, ignored advice of trusted advisors and is now reaping the results and somehow he's blameless.
The Kool Aid is thick with this one.

 

[bendog]

no disagreement that Obama wanted nothing to do with Iraq, but so long as al-ah-mucky was running the place like a shiaa milita, what was the point. The US was hardly the only one saying this was a bushii laid turd that was going down the shitter.

 

[WelfareQueen]

no disagreement that Obama wanted nothing to do with Iraq, but so long as al-ah-mucky was running the place like a shiaa milita, what was the point. The US was hardly the only one saying this was a bushii laid turd that was going down the shitter.

We keep a military presence in Iraq to prevent the rise of an ISIS and keep the Iraq leadership on a very short leash. This is not difficult to understand.

Yes...the Iraqis are shits. This is mostly about global jihad and killing the fuckers over there versus on U.S. soil. Again....none of this is difficult to comprehend....is it?

 

[bendog]

no disagreement that Obama wanted nothing to do with Iraq, but so long as al-ah-mucky was running the place like a shiaa milita, what was the point. The US was hardly the only one saying this was a bushii laid turd that was going down the shitter.

We keep a military presence in Iraq to prevent the rise of an ISIS and keep the Iraq leadership on a very short leash. This is not difficult to understand.

Yes...the Iraqis are shits. This is mostly about global jihad and killing the fuckers over there versus on U.S. soil. Again....none of this is difficult to comprehend....is it?

the Iraqi army is incompetent because of al-ah-mucky. Bushii couldn't fix it, yet you have some partisan fantasy that Obama coulda woulda shoulda. Sistani coundn't get al-ah-mucky to create an inclusive govt. So long as that was the case, the sunni were eventually gonna rise up, and they've kicked the shiaas' asses every GD time ever since the French took over the joint after WWI. Get a fuckijng clue.

Your solution is for the US Army to prop up a shiaa milita. fck that.

 

[mdk]

I remember back several years ago people were proudly showing pictures of purple finger Iraqis after voting. Well as it turns out those purple finger people voted politicians into office that wanted the US out of their nation. They want to remove immunity from our armed forces as apart of the agreement, that's a deal breaker. I have a strong suspicion that they are now regretting that decision.

 

[NYcarbineer]

How many more threads on this lie?

It was BUSH who lost Iraq - long before Obama was elected.

Yes, it was dat BOOSH! BOOSH achieved every objective set for the US at the outset of the war, despite downright traitorous behavior in Congress. When BOOOSH left Iraq was a relatively stable democracy. That somehow translates in libspeak as failure.
Obama fucked up the SOFA, refused to exert leverage to insure troops staying, ignored advice of trusted advisors and is now reaping the results and somehow he's blameless.
The Kool Aid is thick with this one.

The ISIS military is being run by former high ranking officers from Saddam's regime,

part the Iraqi military that Bush disbanded early in the war.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Will we end up with more deranged threads about this than we did with Benghazi, or with the birthers?

I'm guessing yes.

 

[WelfareQueen]

no disagreement that Obama wanted nothing to do with Iraq, but so long as al-ah-mucky was running the place like a shiaa milita, what was the point. The US was hardly the only one saying this was a bushii laid turd that was going down the shitter.

We keep a military presence in Iraq to prevent the rise of an ISIS and keep the Iraq leadership on a very short leash. This is not difficult to understand.

Yes...the Iraqis are shits. This is mostly about global jihad and killing the fuckers over there versus on U.S. soil. Again....none of this is difficult to comprehend....is it?

the Iraqi army is incompetent because of al-ah-mucky. Bushii couldn't fix it, yet you have some partisan fantasy that Obama coulda woulda shoulda. Sistani coundn't get al-ah-mucky to create an inclusive govt. So long as that was the case, the sunni were eventually gonna rise up, and they've kicked the shiaas' asses every GD time ever since the French took over the joint after WWI. Get a fuckijng clue.

Your solution is for the US Army to prop up a shiaa milita. fck that.

Funny...I never said any of the above. Nice try though. Here is exactly what I said. Please pay attention.


We keep a military presence in Iraq to prevent the rise of an ISIS and keep the Iraq leadership on a very short leash. This is not difficult to understand.

Yes...the Iraqis are shits. This is mostly about global jihad and killing the fuckers over there versus on U.S. soil. Again....none of this is difficult to comprehend....is it?[/QUOTE]

 

[WelfareQueen]

I remember back several years ago people were proudly showing pictures of purple finger Iraqis after voting. Well as it turns out those purple finger people voted politicians into office that wanted the US out of their nation. They want to remove immunity from our armed forces as apart of the agreement, that's a deal breaker. I have a strong suspicion that they are now regretting that decision.

Not according to Leon Panetta...the folks at the Pentagon....and several former Obama National Security Advisers.


But nice try.

 

[NYcarbineer]

no disagreement that Obama wanted nothing to do with Iraq, but so long as al-ah-mucky was running the place like a shiaa milita, what was the point. The US was hardly the only one saying this was a bushii laid turd that was going down the shitter.

We keep a military presence in Iraq to prevent the rise of an ISIS and keep the Iraq leadership on a very short leash. This is not difficult to understand.

Yes...the Iraqis are shits. This is mostly about global jihad and killing the fuckers over there versus on U.S. soil. Again....none of this is difficult to comprehend....is it?

the Iraqi army is incompetent because of al-ah-mucky. Bushii couldn't fix it, yet you have some partisan fantasy that Obama coulda woulda shoulda. Sistani coundn't get al-ah-mucky to create an inclusive govt. So long as that was the case, the sunni were eventually gonna rise up, and they've kicked the shiaas' asses every GD time ever since the French took over the joint after WWI. Get a fuckijng clue.

Your solution is for the US Army to prop up a shiaa milita. fck that.

Funny...I never said any of the above. Nice try though. Here is exactly what I said. Please pay attention.


We keep a military presence in Iraq to prevent the rise of an ISIS and keep the Iraq leadership on a very short leash. This is not difficult to understand.

Yes...the Iraqis are shits. This is mostly about global jihad and killing the fuckers over there versus on U.S. soil. Again....none of this is difficult to comprehend....is it?

[/QUOTE]

Iraq is a sovereign nation. We have no 'leash' rights in Iraq.

 

[bendog]

no disagreement that Obama wanted nothing to do with Iraq, but so long as al-ah-mucky was running the place like a shiaa milita, what was the point. The US was hardly the only one saying this was a bushii laid turd that was going down the shitter.

We keep a military presence in Iraq to prevent the rise of an ISIS and keep the Iraq leadership on a very short leash. This is not difficult to understand.

Yes...the Iraqis are shits. This is mostly about global jihad and killing the fuckers over there versus on U.S. soil. Again....none of this is difficult to comprehend....is it?

the Iraqi army is incompetent because of al-ah-mucky. Bushii couldn't fix it, yet you have some partisan fantasy that Obama coulda woulda shoulda. Sistani coundn't get al-ah-mucky to create an inclusive govt. So long as that was the case, the sunni were eventually gonna rise up, and they've kicked the shiaas' asses every GD time ever since the French took over the joint after WWI. Get a fuckijng clue.

Your solution is for the US Army to prop up a shiaa milita. fck that.

Funny...I never said any of the above. Nice try though. Here is exactly what I said. Please pay attention.


We keep a military presence in Iraq to prevent the rise of an ISIS and keep the Iraq leadership on a very short leash. This is not difficult to understand.

Yes...the Iraqis are shits. This is mostly about global jihad and killing the fuckers over there versus on U.S. soil. Again....none of this is difficult to comprehend....is it?

[/QUOTE]
So your final answer is you really wanted the US Army to prop up a non-democratic despotic regime committed to disenfranchising the sunni and kurd populations. Is that your final answer, or would you like to use a lifeline?

 

[NYcarbineer]

I remember back several years ago people were proudly showing pictures of purple finger Iraqis after voting. Well as it turns out those purple finger people voted politicians into office that wanted the US out of their nation. They want to remove immunity from our armed forces as apart of the agreement, that's a deal breaker. I have a strong suspicion that they are now regretting that decision.

Not according to Leon Panetta...the folks at the Pentagon....and several former Obama National Security Advisers.


But nice try.

Panetta? Panetta said this on 60 minutes a couple weeks ago:

"Nouri al-Maliki was the elected prime minister. He didn't want the U.S. troops."