How much does race really separate us, genetically?

[Syriusly]

What fucking pathetic is what you said

Lets look at what you actually said

Sure, blacks have a lower IQ than everyone else,

Your statement is that blacks have a lower IQ than everyone else- presumably every non-black.

Not 'generally'.

So what you were saying is that you think that you and Honey Boo Boo have higher IQ's than Condeleeza Rice.

Now you have been called on it- you want to back peddle from what you said.

Figures. [/

Im not backpedaling you stupid fuck. Go argue your pathetic semantics with another douchebag.
Good day!

LOL- you racists- as usual- you lose the argument and then are left with nothing more than your usual expletives.


Lets look at what you actually said

Sure, blacks have a lower IQ than everyone else,

Your statement is that blacks have a lower IQ than everyone else- presumably every non-black.

Not 'generally'.

So what you were saying is that you think that you and Honey Boo Boo have higher IQ's than Condeleeza Rice.

Now you have been called on it- you want to back peddle from what you said.

Figures.

He was referring to a well known sociological controversy, that has been discussed ad infinitum.

Race and intelligence - Wikipedia

Declaring that all blacks are more stupid than everyone else- is far different than acknowledging that there is a scientific controversy regarding race and IQ-a controversy that is far from resolved.

Hell there is far more scientific consensus regarding Global warming than Harley's claim that "blacks have a lower IQ than everyone else," but something tells me he doesn't believe inhuman caused global warming.

Well, I guess it is all in how you want to spin it. You would make a great commentator/liar on MSNBC.

This was the quote;

People might argue there are mental differences but idk if that is just because of culture. Sure, blacks have a lower IQ than everyone else, but why is the important question. Its not because of their melatonin.

How do you get "Declaring that all blacks are more stupid than everyone else"
from that?

I understand that to mean he is familiar with the information that is in that Wikiarticle that I posted. Added to that, you know as well as I, if folks limit their reading to sites like Gateway Pundit or Breitbart, which side of that controversy do you think they are going to continually be exposed to? Yet you want to blame them?

And your used handle is "Syriusly,"
]

Harley said "Sure, blacks have a lower IQ than everyone else,"

That is a blanket statement- that doesn't mean he is aware of a 'controversy'- it means he believes what he said to be a fact.

And he was the one who chose to bring he belief in his statement into this thread.

And I called him on it.

 

[MisterBeale]

You are fucking pathetic. Isnt calling something racist when its not, actually racism? Think about that, dumbfuck.

What fucking pathetic is what you said

Lets look at what you actually said

Sure, blacks have a lower IQ than everyone else,

Your statement is that blacks have a lower IQ than everyone else- presumably every non-black.

Not 'generally'.

So what you were saying is that you think that you and Honey Boo Boo have higher IQ's than Condeleeza Rice.

Now you have been called on it- you want to back peddle from what you said.

Figures. [/

Im not backpedaling you stupid fuck. Go argue your pathetic semantics with another douchebag.
Good day!

LOL- you racists- as usual- you lose the argument and then are left with nothing more than your usual expletives.


Lets look at what you actually said

Sure, blacks have a lower IQ than everyone else,

Your statement is that blacks have a lower IQ than everyone else- presumably every non-black.

Not 'generally'.

So what you were saying is that you think that you and Honey Boo Boo have higher IQ's than Condeleeza Rice.

Now you have been called on it- you want to back peddle from what you said.

Figures.

You should lay off it, you are making yourself look like an idiot. He wasn't being "racist." He was referring to a well known sociological controversy, that has been discussed ad infinitum.

Race and intelligence - Wikipedia

Let me point out his exact words again

Sure, blacks have a lower IQ than everyone else,

Do you agree with that statement?

I think he meant, on average. And according to a lot of studies, yes, this is true, on the bell curve, the mean scores for intelligence for African American is lower, and Asian Americans is higher than it is for whites. This is not contested.

It is also a scientific fact that there has been found, for geneticists, a certain gene in certain populations of east and north Africans and their descendants making them better at sports. Is that racism, or just science?

Actinin alpha 3 - Wikipedia

Kenyans sweep distance races, Jamaicans sprints: How evolution has shaped elite sports | Genetic Literacy Project

The ACTN3 R577X polymorphism in East and West African athletes. - PubMed - NCBI

 

[MisterBeale]

Im not backpedaling you stupid fuck. Go argue your pathetic semantics with another douchebag.
Good day!

LOL- you racists- as usual- you lose the argument and then are left with nothing more than your usual expletives.


Lets look at what you actually said

Sure, blacks have a lower IQ than everyone else,

Your statement is that blacks have a lower IQ than everyone else- presumably every non-black.

Not 'generally'.

So what you were saying is that you think that you and Honey Boo Boo have higher IQ's than Condeleeza Rice.

Now you have been called on it- you want to back peddle from what you said.

Figures.

He was referring to a well known sociological controversy, that has been discussed ad infinitum.

Race and intelligence - Wikipedia

Declaring that all blacks are more stupid than everyone else- is far different than acknowledging that there is a scientific controversy regarding race and IQ-a controversy that is far from resolved.

Hell there is far more scientific consensus regarding Global warming than Harley's claim that "blacks have a lower IQ than everyone else," but something tells me he doesn't believe inhuman caused global warming.

Well, I guess it is all in how you want to spin it. You would make a great commentator/liar on MSNBC.

This was the quote;

People might argue there are mental differences but idk if that is just because of culture. Sure, blacks have a lower IQ than everyone else, but why is the important question. Its not because of their melatonin.

How do you get "Declaring that all blacks are more stupid than everyone else"
from that?

I understand that to mean he is familiar with the information that is in that Wikiarticle that I posted. Added to that, you know as well as I, if folks limit their reading to sites like Gateway Pundit or Breitbart, which side of that controversy do you think they are going to continually be exposed to? Yet you want to blame them?

And your used handle is "Syriusly,"
]

Harley said "Sure, blacks have a lower IQ than everyone else,"

That is a blanket statement- that doesn't mean he is aware of a 'controversy'- it means he believes what he said to be a fact.

And he was the one who chose to bring he belief in his statement into this thread.

And I called him on it.

No, I think you were triggered.

Likewise, I don't think you were aware there was any truth behind his statement.

 

[MisterBeale]

A study I've read showed that Africans immigrating here now, have higher IQs than native african americans. Maybe that shows africans aren't genetically inferior but african americans are being oppressed to the point that their community can not reach its natural potential.
Where should I have posted?

Indeed. That's EXACTLY what I am saying lol.
Not in politics. Maybe race relations? General discussion?

As the root cause of "racism" i

While there is some inherent racism- frankly most modern racism is more driven by unconscious economic pressure.

Which is why there are such differences in regional 'racism's.

In California there was far more racism directed towards the economically competitive Chinese- than the barely represented African Americans- while in the South, the situations were reversed

Bullshit. I quoted a scientific study, you edited my quote, deleted what I wrote, and deleted the link to the study because it did not suit your agenda.

The reason "racism" exists is because of in-group preference. Dispense with your politics.

Bigotry goes both ways, on all sides. It is encouraged by the ruling elites as a marginalizing tactic.

You quoted a single study. And I am not denying that study- I am saying that in modern societies that economics drives racism more.

And I am saying you are wrong. The media and the oligarchy keeps the flames fed in order to keep the poor and middle class at each others throats rather than focused on their real oppressors, regulatory bureaucracy, encroaching socialism, and an Orwellian police state.

For instance, during the last administration, the mainstream press howled anytime an ethnic criminal got treated roughly or unfairly, but the truth is, libertarians and anarchists that have been fans of "cop block" pages and fans of the famous police whistle blower Serpico have known about the authoritarian police abuses all along. These police abuses have affected ALL members of society. The mass media just strips away peoples' critical reasoning faculties, so they don't think of it as a society wide problem. During the Obama administration, I saw just as many police officers treat Whites, Asians, Hispanics and everyone else the same way that blacks were treated. But this does not serve to divide the public against each other, nor does it garner the viewership or sell the story the CFR is trying to push.

 

[Dale Smith]

What fucking pathetic is what you said

Lets look at what you actually said

Sure, blacks have a lower IQ than everyone else,

Your statement is that blacks have a lower IQ than everyone else- presumably every non-black.

Not 'generally'.

So what you were saying is that you think that you and Honey Boo Boo have higher IQ's than Condeleeza Rice.

Now you have been called on it- you want to back peddle from what you said.

Figures. [/

Im not backpedaling you stupid fuck. Go argue your pathetic semantics with another douchebag.
Good day!

LOL- you racists- as usual- you lose the argument and then are left with nothing more than your usual expletives.


Lets look at what you actually said

Sure, blacks have a lower IQ than everyone else,

Your statement is that blacks have a lower IQ than everyone else- presumably every non-black.

Not 'generally'.

So what you were saying is that you think that you and Honey Boo Boo have higher IQ's than Condeleeza Rice.

Now you have been called on it- you want to back peddle from what you said.

Figures.

You should lay off it, you are making yourself look like an idiot. He wasn't being "racist." He was referring to a well known sociological controversy, that has been discussed ad infinitum.

Race and intelligence - Wikipedia

Let me point out his exact words again

Sure, blacks have a lower IQ than everyone else,

Do you agree with that statement?

I think he meant, on average. And according to a lot of studies, yes, this is true, on the bell curve, the mean scores for intelligence for African American is lower, and Asian Americans is higher than it is for whites. This is not contested.

It is also a scientific fact that there has been found, for geneticists, a certain gene in certain populations of east and north Africans and their descendants making them better at sports. Is that racism, or just science?

Actinin alpha 3 - Wikipedia

Kenyans sweep distance races, Jamaicans sprints: How evolution has shaped elite sports | Genetic Literacy Project

The ACTN3 R577X polymorphism in East and West African athletes. - PubMed - NCBI

Great job as usual, MisterBeale....it's perfectly fine to point out the areas where Blacks do better than whites but don't you dare point out the areas where they are lacking. BTW, I have friends that are black that are highly intelligent and articulate and I have white friends that are not as much. What I seek in a friend is what they stand for and do they have a quality about them that I admire.

 

[MisterBeale]

Im not backpedaling you stupid fuck. Go argue your pathetic semantics with another douchebag.
Good day!

LOL- you racists- as usual- you lose the argument and then are left with nothing more than your usual expletives.


Lets look at what you actually said

Sure, blacks have a lower IQ than everyone else,

Your statement is that blacks have a lower IQ than everyone else- presumably every non-black.

Not 'generally'.

So what you were saying is that you think that you and Honey Boo Boo have higher IQ's than Condeleeza Rice.

Now you have been called on it- you want to back peddle from what you said.

Figures.

You should lay off it, you are making yourself look like an idiot. He wasn't being "racist." He was referring to a well known sociological controversy, that has been discussed ad infinitum.

Race and intelligence - Wikipedia

Let me point out his exact words again

Sure, blacks have a lower IQ than everyone else,

Do you agree with that statement?

I think he meant, on average. And according to a lot of studies, yes, this is true, on the bell curve, the mean scores for intelligence for African American is lower, and Asian Americans is higher than it is for whites. This is not contested.

It is also a scientific fact that there has been found, for geneticists, a certain gene in certain populations of east and north Africans and their descendants making them better at sports. Is that racism, or just science?

Actinin alpha 3 - Wikipedia

Kenyans sweep distance races, Jamaicans sprints: How evolution has shaped elite sports | Genetic Literacy Project

The ACTN3 R577X polymorphism in East and West African athletes. - PubMed - NCBI

Great job as usual, MisterBeale....it's perfectly fine to point out the areas where Blacks do better than whites but don't you dare point out the areas where they are lacking. BTW, I have friends that are black that are highly intelligent and articulate and I have white friends that are not as much. What I seek in a friend is what they stand for and do they have a quality about them that I admire.

When it comes to "race relations" the culture was on the right track in the nineties. Whoa is us as a nation when Clinton and the mass media got their hooks into us.

I can't help but think this nation would have looked entirely different if Ross Perot had been elected. He would have brought economic opportunity to all the working class, killing NAFTA, and he wouldn't have let the media pull that Rodney King bullshit.

The poor in East LA would not have lost economic opportunity to Mexico, and they would not have let themselves been so obsessed with a stupid trial over a washed up football star. It all started going down hill when the banking cartel had their way from there.

"They said it was for the black man
They said it was for the Mexican
And not for the white man
But if you look at the streets, it wasn't about Rodney King
In this fucked-up situation and these fucked-up police
It's about comin' up and stayin' on top
And screamin' 1-8-7 on a mother fuckin' cop
It's not in the paper, it's on the wall
National guard
Smoke from all around"
​

 

[Aries]

If you've ever seen those ancestry commercials , we are all mixed up anyway .

We are not all "mixed up", present company excluded, obviously.

we are all mixed up and America is becoming more racially mixed every year. In a few decades "white" will be a rarity here.
The Changing Face of America

 

[cnelsen]

There are obvious differences in the different races of our species. Hair, skin tone, facial features, shapes of body parts(Asian eyes) all kinds of stuff.
However, we are all humans, so physical features shouldn't make a damn.

People might argue there are mental differences but idk if that is just because of culture. Sure, blacks have a lower IQ than everyone else, but why is the important question. Its not because of their melatonin.

That's the point of the article. Scientifically all differences are superficial having to do with appearance. So no, blacks don't have a lower IQ than everyone else, genetically.

Wrong. Again.

The most intelligent and prolific writer on this subject currently is Steve Sailer. Read and understand this, and you will be smarter:

Q. Why do you talk about race so much?

A. Most human beings talk about race a fair amount. I write about it.

Q. Why do people care about race?

A. Why do people care about who their relatives are? Maybe they should care, maybe they shouldn’t. I’m not here to preach morality. But people do care, so it’s important to understand the implications.

Q. What’s race all about?

A. Relatedness.

Race is about who is related to whom.

Q. Do you mean a race is a family?

A. Yes, an extended family. (To be precise, a particular type of extended family, one that’s more coherent over time than the norm, a distinction I’ll explain below.)

Q. Race means family? I’ve never heard of such a thing!

A. It’s remarkable how seldom this concept essential to understanding how the world works is mentioned in the press. Yet, in my Random House Webster’s College Dictionary, the first definition of "race" is:

"1. A group of persons related by common descent or heredity."

Q. If races exist, then, pray tell, precisely how many there are?

A. How many neighborhoods are there in the place where you live?

For some purposes, an extremely simple breakdown into, say, City vs. Suburbs is most useful. For other uses, an extremely detailed set of neighborhood names is helpful: e.g., "The proposed apartment complex will aggravate the parking shortage in Northeastern West Hills."

Similarly, racial groups can be lumped into vast continental-scale agglomerations or split as finely as you like.

For instance, should New World Indians be considered a separate race—or merely a subset of East Asians?

Every system of categorization runs into disputes between "lumpers" and "splitters." Whether lumping or splitting is more appropriate depends upon the situation.

Q. Isn’t race just about skin color?

A. That’s a simplistic verbal shorthand Americans use to refer to ancestry. Nobody really acts as if they believe race is synonymous with skin color.

Q. What do you mean?

A. Consider golfer Vijay Singh who during 2004-2005 became the only man in this decade besides Tiger Woods to be the number one ranked player in the world. Singh, who was born in the Fiji Islands of Asian Indian descent, is much darker in skin color than Woods.

Singh is at least as dark as the average African-American. Yet, nobody in America ever thinks of Singh as black or African-American. There’s an enormous industry that celebrates the triumphs of blacks in nontraditional venues such as golf. But Singh’s accomplishments elicited minimal interest in the U.S.

A 2007 article, for example, asked where are all the black golf champions who were expected to emerge in the wake of Tiger Woods’s first Masters championship in 1997. It never mentions the blackest-skinned player on tour, Singh … because we’re not actually talking about skin color when we use the word "black," we’re talking about sub-Saharan African ancestry.

Q. Aren’t we all related to each other?

A. Yes, that’s why we’re "the human race."

Q. If we’re all related to each other, how can one person be more related to some people than to other people?

A. How can you be more related to your mother than you are to your aunt? Or to my mother?

Q. If races exist, how can somebody belong to more than one race?

A. If extended families exist, how can you belong to your mother’s extended family and to your father’s extended family?

Q. How many races can you belong to?

A. How many extended families can you belong to?

Consider Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger’s children. Clearly, they are part of the Schwarzenegger clan via their father and grandfather. But they are also part of the Jadrny extended family through their father’s mother. Yet, they also belong to the well-known liberal Catholic Shriver tribe through their mother, Maria Shriver, daughter of Sargent Shriver, the 1972 Democratic Vice-Presidential candidate. And, they are, famously, Kennedys, because their maternal grandmother is Eunice Kennedy Shriver, the sister of the late President.

Q. So, everybody belongs to four extended families?

A. You could keep going beyond the four grandparents. The Schwarzenegger kids, for instance, are also Fitzgeralds, because they are the great-great-grandchildren of John F. "Honey Fitz" Fitzgerald, the mayor of Boston.

Q. So, your family tree just goes on out to infinity?

A. No, it eventually turns increasingly in on itself, as you can see it must from the basic arithmetic of genealogy. This tendency to turn back in on itself is the reason that racial identity exists.

Q. How does the math work?

Assume 25 years per each generation in your family tree. Go back 10 generations to the 1750s, and you have 1024 ancestors.

Go back another 250 years to the 1500s and you have 1024 times 1024 slots in your family tree; call it a million. Back to the 1250s and you have a billion openings. (Were there even a billion people alive then?)

And back in the 1000s, 40 generations ago, you have a trillion ancestors. Yet there definitely weren’t a trillion people alive then.

Q. So, where did all my ancestors come from?

A. They did double duty, to put it mildly.

Q. So my family tree doesn’t extend outward forever?

A. At some point in the past, the number of unique individuals in your family tree (as opposed to slots) would start to get fewer in number, ultimately forming a diamond-shaped rather than fan-shaped family tree. Genealogists label this "pedigree collapse."

Demographer K.W. Wachtel estimated that an Englishman born in 1947 would have had two million unique ancestors living at the maximum point around 1200 AD, 750 years before. There’d be a billion open slots in the family tree in 1200, so each real individual would fill an average of 500 places. Pedigree collapse would set in further into the past than 1200.

Q. Wait a minute! Are you saying my ancestors married among themselves? So I’m inbred???

A. Yes. It’s mathematically certain. There just weren’t enough unique individuals alive.

Q. Ooh, yuck!

A. I suspect that the American distaste for thinking about inbreeding, even when it’s so distant and genetically benign as in this English example, is one reason why our understanding of relatedness and race is so deficient.

Q. What does this have to do with race?

A. Pedigree collapse reveals how the biology of race is rooted in the biology of family. We can deduce from the necessary existence of pedigree collapse that while everybody is related to everybody else in some fashion, it’s more genealogically significant to note that every person is much more related to some people than to other people. Even a Tiger Woods can identify himself as being of Thai, black, Chinese, white, and American Indian descent, but not of, say, Polynesian, South Asian, or Australian aborigine origin.

Pedigree collapse is how extended families become racial groups. A race is a particular kind of extended family—one that is partly inbred. Thus it’s socially identifiable for longer than a simple extended family, which, without inbreeding, disperses itself exponentially.

Q. Can racial groups merge?

A. Over time, yes. Think of the term "Anglo-Saxon." The Angles, Saxons, and Jutes intermarried until they lost their separate identities. (The Jutes even lost their name.)

Similarly, the official ideology of Mexico is that whites and Indians have merged seamlessly into La Raza Cosmica, "The Cosmic Race." (African Mexicans play the role of the forgotten Jutes.) The reality is different, but the mestizaje propaganda isn’t wholly false.

Q. But race is just identity politics!

A. Well, there’s a reason that identity politics are a big deal. However you feel about all the various kinds of identity politics, you need to understand them.

People tend to organize politically around some aspects of shared identity, but not around others. For example, language and religion tend to be politically salient, but not handedness. No politician fears the Lefthanders Lobby, because left-handedness is distributed too randomly throughout the population.

Sex can be politically relevant, but it frequently turns out to be less important than feminist activists hope. As Henry Kissinger supposedly said, "No one will ever win the battle of the sexes; there’s too much fraternizing with the enemy."

Relatedness or race is typically the single most common dimension along which people align themselves politically.

Sharing relatives gives people more reason to trust each other—for instance, Jared Diamond notes that when two strangers meet on a lonely and lawless jungle path in New Guinea, they immediately start a far-reaching discussion of who all their relatives are, looking for overlap so they can be more confident the other person won’t kill them. Similarly, organized crime families typically have real extended families as their nuclei because relatives can trust each other more when outside the law.

Further, blood relatives are more likely to share other potent "ethnic" identity markers, such as language and religion.

Q. But, if we’re all part of the human race, then why don’t we always act that way?

A. Because we’re not, currently, under alien attack. Throughout his Presidency, Ronald Reagan, to the alarm of his less-imaginatively insightful aides such as Colin Powell, repeatedly pointed out that the differences between the Superpowers would seem insignificant if Earth was under assault by hostile flying saucers. Reagan, for instance, told the UN in 1987:

"I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world." [Address to the 42d Session of the United Nations General Assembly in New York, New York]

But little green men are not threatening us at present, so we compete against each other in the meantime.

And relatedness (i.e., race) is the most common dimension along which people cooperate in order to more effectively compete against other groups politically.

Q. Isn’t race just a social construct?

A. Relatedness is the most real thing in the world: mother, father, baby.

Q. But, don’t different societies have different rules about who is considered to be related to whom?

A. Yes. Indeed, every culture comes up with a way to deal with the exponential unwieldiness of family trees.

For many purposes of daily life, you have too many relatives. The sheer numbers of ancestors, distant cousins, and potential descendents you have expand out beyond any manageable boundaries. The amount of relatives you’ll send a Christmas card to might be larger than the number you’ll volunteer to cook Thanksgiving dinner for, but, still, there’s got to be an end to everything.

Many cultures have devised rules to limit who counts as a relative for the purposes of, say, inheritance. English aristocratic families didn’t want their land holdings divided up into unimpressive and inefficient parcels, so they followed the rule of primogeniture, passing the claim to be of noble blood down through the first-born son, with latter-borns falling out of the aristocracy within two generations. For instance, Mr. Winston Churchill was the first-born son of Lord Randolph Churchill, who was the second-born son of the Duke of Marlborough. That seems awfully aristocratic to us plebian Americans, but by English law, he wasn’t a peer because his father wasn’t first-born. And thus, to Winston’s political benefit, his parliamentary career was spent in the House of Commons rather than the House of Lords.

The Chinese treated sons more equitably, but almost completely ignored daughters.

In contrast to these attempts to nominally define down the putative number of relations, many Middle Eastern cultures have come up with an actual biological solution (of sorts) to reduce the number of relatives: cousin marriage. In Iraq, half of all married couples are first or second cousins.

Q. Why?

A. One reason is this: If you marry your daughter off to your brother’s son, then your grandchildren/heirs will also be your brother’s grandchildren/heirs. So, there is less cause for strife among brothers. Cousin marriage helps make family loyalties especially strong in Iraq, to the detriment of national loyalties.

Q. Do you ever want more relatives?

A. For many political struggles, the more the merrier.

Ibn Saud, who founded Saudi Arabia in the 1920s, consolidated his victory over other desert chieftains by marrying 22 women, typically the daughters of his former rivals. Thus, today’s vast Saudi ruling family represents the intermixing of the tribes, which has helped it survive in power for 80 years.

On the other hand, the wealthy Syrian Jews of Brooklyn, with few political threats hanging over them here in America, don’t need blood relations with other power centers, so the community fiercely ostracizes anyone who marries outside it.

Or, political entrepreneurs can attempt to widen or narrow their followers’ working definition of who their relatives are by rhetorical means. For example, in the 1960s, black leaders encouraged African-Americans to call each other "brother" and "sister" to build solidarity.

Q. In America, wasn’t there a "one-drop rule" for determining if one is a minority?

A. For blacks, yes: for American Indians, no. Herbert Hoover’s VP, Charles Curtis, was famous for being part Kaw Indian. Being somewhat Indian added glamour to his image.

Indian nations have the right to set ancestry minimums (generally, at least 1/4th) required for legal membership in the tribe, and they often police membership with a vengeance.

Q. Isn’t all this outdated?

A. Both blacks and Indians are standing by the traditional definitions, because it’s in their interests.

Ever since Congress allowed Indian nations to each own one casino in the late 1980s, many tribes have been expelling racially marginal members to increase the slice of the pie for the more pure-blooded remainder. That’s because the main benefit of belonging to a tribe—the rake-off from a single casino—is finite.

In contrast, black and Hispanic organizations have backed broad, inclusive definitions of who is black or Hispanic because the rake-off from being black or Hispanic—affirmative action quotas—is indefinite in magnitude. The larger the percentage of the population, the larger the quota, and the larger the number of voters who are beneficiaries and thus supporters.

Q. So cultures change their definitions of who deserves to be a relative?

A. Not just cultures, but individuals change their definitions to fit their needs at the moment.

For example, right before the Battle of Agincourt, King Henry V needed all the loyal relatives, real or exaggerated, he could get, so Shakespeare has him address the English army:

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother".

On the other hand, once the bloodshed was over, King Henry probably wasn’t inclined to let his old yeomen archers come over and hang around the palace whenever they liked as if they were his actual brothers.

Q. So, leaders can persuade their followers to see themselves as more or less closely related?

A. Yes, but the more they follow existing genealogical fault lines, the more likely they are to succeed.

Q. What’s an ethnic group?

A. The Census Bureau draws a sharp distinction between race and ethnicity, stating that individuals of Hispanic ethnicity can be of any race. The way the federal government uses the terms can be formalized like this:

A racial group is a partly inbred extended biological family.

An ethnic group is one defined by shared traits that are often passed down within biological families—e.g., language, surname, religion, cuisine, accent, self-identification, historical or mythological heroes, musical styles, etc.—but that don’t require genetic relatedness.

Q. Can you give an example?

A. The difference is perhaps easiest to see with adopted children. For example, if, say, an Armenian baby is adopted by Icelanders, his ethnicity would be Icelandic, at least until he became a teen and decided to rebel against his parents by searching out and espousing his Armenian heritage. But racially, he’d always have been Armenian.

Q. If races exist, doesn’t that mean one race has to be the supreme Master Race? And that would be awful!

A. Indeed it would, but no race is going to be best at everything – any more than one region could be the supreme master region for all human purposes.

For example, a mountaintop is a stirring place to put a Presidential Library. But if you want to break the land speed record in your rocket car, it’s definitely inferior to the Bonneville Salt Flats.

Q. Okay, what does it all mean?

A. It means it’s time for our intellectuals to grow up. The world is what it is. Making up fantasies about it, and demonizing scientists such as James Watson, just makes reality harder to deal with.

 

[cnelsen]

So you think that you and Honey Boo Boo have a higher IQ than Condaleeza Rice?

I think that says more about you racists than anything else.

My post had nothing to do with racism, you closed minded prick. They GENERALLY have a lower IQ. That's fact, its not racism. Grow up.

A study I've read showed that Africans immigrating here now, have higher IQs than native african americans. Maybe that shows africans aren't genetically inferior but african americans are being oppressed to the point that their community can not reach its natural potential.

politics section?

Where should I have posted?

Indeed. That's EXACTLY what I am saying lol.
Not in politics. Maybe race relations? General discussion?

As the root cause of "racism" i

While there is some inherent racism- frankly most modern racism is more driven by unconscious economic pressure.

Which is why there are such differences in regional 'racism's.

In California there was far more racism directed towards the economically competitive Chinese- than the barely represented African Americans- while in the South, the situations were reversed

Um, would that just be "familiarity breeds contempt"? There was a 1:1 linear relationship between the percentage of whites who voted for Obama in 2008, and the percentage of whites in a state's population. In other words, if you were white, the whiter the place where you lived, the more likely you were to vote for a black man.

 

[cnelsen]

A study I've read showed that Africans immigrating here now, have higher IQs than native african americans. Maybe that shows africans aren't genetically inferior but african americans are being oppressed to the point that their community can not reach its natural potential.

Oppressed by whom?

 

[abu afak]

...
They say that while it may seem easy to tell at a glance whether a person is Caucasian, African or Asian, the ease dissolves when one probes beneath surface characteristics and scans the genome for DNA hallmarks of 'race.'"
"If you ask what percentage of your genes is reflected in your external appearance, the basis by which we talk about race, the answer seems to be in the range of .01 percent,"

"Dr. Venter and scientists at the National Institutes of Health recently announced that they had put together a draft of the entire sequence of the human genome, and the researchers had unanimously declared, there is only one race -- the human race."
Do Races Differ? Not Really, DNA Shows

Your article is from Year 2000. Very outmoded in terms of the Human Genome.

And actually, even in 2001, Venter/the HGP found that humans were .1% different/99.9% the same Genetically.
That's 10x ".01%"

Of Course, in 2007, he retested, and said the difference was "7 Times" as great as he first thought.

Finding said to show "race isn't real" scrapped
Sept. 3, 2007​

Meaning, as much as 1% Different/only 99% the same.
I say 'only' because Chimps are 98.6% similar genetically. So the difference between humans is app 1/3-2/3 as wide.
Leaving PLENTY of room for Race/subspecies among humans.

The Generally agreed on average number now is 99.5%.
ie, Human genetic variation - Wikipedia
That's 50x as disparate as your ".01%".

There are races.
..and if you send your Blood into any number of services, they'll tell you what percent of each you are.

 

[abu afak]

..

Declaring that all blacks are more stupid than everyone else- is far different than acknowledging that there is a scientific controversy regarding race and IQ-a controversy that is far from resolved.

Hell there is far more scientific consensus regarding Global warming than Harley's claim that "blacks have a lower IQ than everyone else," but something tells me he doesn't believe inhuman caused global warming.

If I say Los Angeles is Sunnier than Seattle.. That's TRUE.
It doesn't mean "Every" day in LA is Sunnier than "Every" day in Seattle.

If I, ie, say Death Valley is hotter than St Louis (or THEE HottEST spot), it's probably TRUE, but Doesn't mean "Every" day is such.

OBVIOUSLY there are even retarded people of other races, or even many better off, who are not as smart as Barack Obama.

The Bell curves overlap, of course.
race iq - Google Search

Most of your posts, ergo, were Pathetic Strawman attempts.


EDIT:
Look at the Clown 'Aries' immediately below.
I just explained why 'Syriusly' was Wrong, yet he agrees with him withOUT dealing with my post.
Not to mention, NOT answering my post above this one, quoting/REFUTING His OP.
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[Aries]

Im not backpedaling you stupid fuck. Go argue your pathetic semantics with another douchebag.
Good day!

LOL- you racists- as usual- you lose the argument and then are left with nothing more than your usual expletives.


Lets look at what you actually said

Sure, blacks have a lower IQ than everyone else,

Your statement is that blacks have a lower IQ than everyone else- presumably every non-black.

Not 'generally'.

So what you were saying is that you think that you and Honey Boo Boo have higher IQ's than Condeleeza Rice.

Now you have been called on it- you want to back peddle from what you said.

Figures.

He was referring to a well known sociological controversy, that has been discussed ad infinitum.

Race and intelligence - Wikipedia

Declaring that all blacks are more stupid than everyone else- is far different than acknowledging that there is a scientific controversy regarding race and IQ-a controversy that is far from resolved.

Hell there is far more scientific consensus regarding Global warming than Harley's claim that "blacks have a lower IQ than everyone else," but something tells me he doesn't believe inhuman caused global warming.

Well, I guess it is all in how you want to spin it. You would make a great commentator/liar on MSNBC.

This was the quote;

People might argue there are mental differences but idk if that is just because of culture. Sure, blacks have a lower IQ than everyone else, but why is the important question. Its not because of their melatonin.

How do you get "Declaring that all blacks are more stupid than everyone else"
from that?

I understand that to mean he is familiar with the information that is in that Wikiarticle that I posted. Added to that, you know as well as I, if folks limit their reading to sites like Gateway Pundit or Breitbart, which side of that controversy do you think they are going to continually be exposed to? Yet you want to blame them?

And your used handle is "Syriusly,"
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Harley said "Sure, blacks have a lower IQ than everyone else,"

That is a blanket statement- that doesn't mean he is aware of a 'controversy'- it means he believes what he said to be a fact.

And he was the one who chose to bring he belief in his statement into this thread.

And I called him on it.

It's a valid call out. I let it slide as i belive TN is good hearted, maybe just a little misinformed. But to declare under any context that one race is inherently stronger or weaker in a specific category, is racist. Not all african americans are dumb nor are all whites smart. That is the essence of racism, thinking a race is inherently better or worse than another.

 

[Unkotare]

...Consider Flakey and myself: I am a far better man.

...

You're both living proof that evolution doesn't always 'stick.'

 

[Meathead]

...Consider Flakey and myself: I am a far better man.

...

You're both living proof that evolution doesn't always 'stick.'

Your comment is superfluous.

 

[Unkotare]

Two men from sub-Saharan Africa are more genetically distinct from one another than one of those men and a man from Finland.

 

[cnelsen]

It's a valid call out. I let it slide as i belive TN is good hearted, maybe just a little misinformed. But to declare under any context that one race is inherently stronger or weaker in a specific category, is racist. Not all african americans are dumb nor are all whites smart. That is the essence of racism, thinking a race is inherently better or worse than another.

First, you didn;t address his argument. Second, that's not racism anyway. Third, if you aren't racist, you are some kind of monster.

 

[cnelsen]

Aires is like the Pope to Galileo.

Pope: there is no such thing as race, and all the races are the same.
Galileo: whatever you say your Holiness, and yet race doth exist, and they are not all the same.

 

[OnePercenter]

People might argue there are mental differences but idk if that is just because of culture. Sure, blacks have a lower IQ than everyone else, but why is the important question. Its not because of their melatonin.

Anyone from a southern Red State has a lower IQ. It's a Republican objective.

 

[OnePercenter]

All of the 'better than you' folks should do a DNA check from ancestry.com. I thought my family was 100% Sicilian, I was told wrong, we are from all over the Mediterranean.