How many nonconservative ideals will "cons" embrace?

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    It gets more ridiculous by the day. They now embrace secrecy for government, no secrecy for private citizens, interference in people's private lives, government ownership of private companies, preemptive strikes...I'm sure I'm missing a few so please feel free to add.
     
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    Secrecy for certain aspects of government is a necessity... as for the day-to-day runnings, I fully support open information

    Secrecy for private citizens is great... I don't care what you do in your house or what you watch or whatever.. BUT in terms of war and enemy communications, we have ALWAYS and hopefully WILL ALWAYS do whatever it takes to intercept enemy communications

    Since when do true conservatives want government takeover of companies? I for one am completely against Freddie and Fanny...
     
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    Since when?


    How many people on this board claim to be conservatives but support Bush?

    MOST of them.

    Can't have it both ways, sport.

    If you support people who are CLEARLY not conservtives, telling us you are a conservative sounds like bullshit.

    Now I really don't know if you've been one of the Bushite apologists, DD.

    but I know that you often blame liberals for what the Republicans did.

    You sure as hell seem like one of those conservatives who support Bush to me.

    If Im entirely wrong about that, please do feel free to tell me that you do not support Bush, and that you understand that MCain is going to give us MORE neo-conservative policies which we can see now are NOT working.

    Can you do that?

    If not then shut the fuck up and accept you share of the responsibility for what is happening to the nation right now.

    Bush and his idiotic neo-conservatism are largely (but not entirely) responsible for the disasters that have occurred for the last 8 years.
     
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    Bush apologist? Nope.. disagree with the guy quite often.. especially in terms of budget... support him in terms of the war, war on terror, etc? Hell yes

    I am pretty centrist in terms of personal freedoms. I don't care if gays can get civil unions and the same benefits as married couples. I do not support vouchers (though I do support tax deductions for home schoolers or private schoolers so they are not paying twice for the schooling of kids (not a complete reimbursement but a break, as their taxes are also important in funding local public schools)) . I support taking care of those who CAN'T take care of themselves (not those who won't take care of themselves). I support immigration reform but also support strong enforcement of immigration laws. I support a huge agenda of equality, but fully expect it to be widespread equality and not selective equality. Just like with freedom, equality comes with not only benefits but also inherent negatives in terms of individual outcomes.

    I even supported Clinton while in office. I served under him in the military. I did not support many things he did, especially in terms of the military, and I complained about many things, but I supported him. I even supported GHWB, and I personally think he was one of the 3 worst Presidents in the last 50 years.... but don't get me wrong, I do not have blind support for GWB, just as I have not had any blind support for any president during my entire adult life... I support Bush for many of his decisions and for the job he is doing.. I complain about a great many decisions though...
    That being said... I do not think I would have any support for the likes of Obama and his policies of being on the extreme left... I would have supported Hillary, most probably, as long as she did not go extreme left like Obama
     
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    Whenever a Democrat who is running is doing well, the right seems to call him or her the "most" liberal of them all. First, it's an insult only to righties and second they can't all be the "most" liberal.

    Here he is described as a "rank and file" Democrat.

    Sen. Barack Obama [D-IL] - GovTrack.us
     
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    O.k. dude,

    Can we then assume that you are almost as unhappy with Big John as you are with O?

    I am just trying to figure you out...

    Joe
     
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    Lots of things I don't agree with McCain on... but I agree more with him than I agree with Obama.. by leaps and bounds
     
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    What do you have? A pro and con list?

    "Welllllll... McCain will most certainly send more troops off to wars of national liberation living up to the example of Castro and Khrushchev, but the McCain campaign says Obama's tax plan is to raise taxes on everyone. Even though every independent observer on the planet says that McCain is lying about what Obama has said, I'm going with McCain"

    Republican logic at its finest.

    A vote for McCain is a vote to endorse the decision to go to war in Iraq. Endorsing the decision to go to war in Iraq is a vote to hate America and her armed service men and women.

    Meanwhile, the criminal conspiracy to create a monopoly over the electoral system by the two major parties continues.
     
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    Q: How many nonconservative ideals will "cons" embrace?

    A: As many as their masters (the rich and powerful) tell them they need to keep the status quo.

    You know what most liberals really are?​

    They're formerly conservative people who can't find a decent paying job.​

    You know what most conservatives are?​

    They're people who as yet haven't lost theirs.​

    Sadly, I expect to see a real rise in the number of liberals in the next decade.​
     
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    On every issue the Republicans run on, the Democrats are better at it.

    Want less government intervention? It turns out the way to do that is to have an appropriate amount of regulations in place so to not allow the corporations to take advantage of the citizenry.

    Torture
    Debt
    Pork
    Conservation.

    I think it is wrong to call them conservatives when they don't conserve the environment.
     

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