How many knew vote ID laws were Constitutional

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    Not key at all. But you keep believing that.
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    Oh, it absolutely is....it is unconstitutional to make people pay to vote.
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    Good, so why are so many still complaining?
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    And EVERY Voter ID law that has passed since the 2008 SCOTUS decision includes the 'free of charge provision'.

    Yet libtards still whine they are unconstitutional.
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    How are they being made to pay to vote?
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    Takes a lot of the fraud out of elections.
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    if they have to pay for an ID it is tantamount to having to pay to vote.
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    Not true. But you keep playing that game. By the way does that mean the EXISTING LAWS that require photo ID just to register are illegal?
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    The constitutionally of ID laws were never at issue, nor has anyone made such a claim otherwise, as voting is a fundamental right:

    Per Federal law, no one may be turned away from the polling place because he has no ID, he must be allowed to vote via provisional ballot.

    It’s not complaining, it’s concern, concern that some may not be aware of the law and the fact that each citizen has a fundamental right to vote, even if he has no ID.

    Incorrect.

    Not only is there not ‘a lot’ of fraud in elections, cases of fraud are statistically non-existent:

    Consequently any person who comes to a polling place to vote must be allowed to do so, even if he has no ID in a jurisdiction that requires one:

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    it is true. but you keep winding yourself up in knots over it, otay?
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    I think it is true.

    But which states require voter ID but don't make a provision for someone to get a free ID if needed?

    I know my state lets people get a free ID if needed.
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    If you're going to require a ID (that costs money) to vote, then yes you do need to pay to vote. Hence, it can be considered a poll tax of sorts. I'm unsure as to why something that would be done in the Jim Crow days albeit less directly is somehow not considered what it is.
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    Wisconsin Official Instructs Staff Not To Mention Free IDs For Voting

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    I think that memo sucked. But the free ID is still available.

    Obtaining an ID card - Wisconsin Department of Transportation





    And frankly, if people aren't competent enough to figure out how to get an ID, then I don't feel too bad about them not voting.

    Don't go accusing me of being Jim Crow the way some people already have when I expressed that sentiment. It's just common sense. If you're not competent enough to get an ID, then how informed is your vote likely to be?
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    It doesn't really matter what people are competent or not competent of really. If a state is going to charge for someone to vote in the form of a ID then an ID needs to be free in all circumstances.

    Personally I don't have trouble with requiring a ID of some sort to vote as long as they are free and readily available. I can see the argument that some make about preventing fraud but I don't really see the case where fraud is so prevalent.
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    Tantamount, as you know, means "equal to". How does paying for an identification "equal to" paying to vote?

    Convicted Felons pay for their drivers licenses yet they can't vote.
    Underage H.S. kids pay for an I.D. yet can't vote.

    A kid gets his D/L and pays for it at 16 yet can't vote. 2 years later he can use that same D/L to provide I.D. to vote. Is that "tantamount" to paying to vote?

    Hint: You're confusing paying for administrative costs of identification with a "poll tax".
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    if you cannot vote without the ID, and you have to pay for the ID, then you have to pay to vote.
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    I believe most (if not all) states have provisions for free state IDs. For example, Indiana, Georgia, Maryland, Wisconsin, Illinois don't charge. I suppose I could look them all up.

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