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Conservatives are desperate to pin some sort of scandal on President Obama and/or Hillary Clinton.
This is ALL about politics at this point.
Since they are all politicians it's sorta hard for it to NOT be about politics.
The rightwing propaganda machine is mostly composed of people who are employed in the media; they are not politicians, and,
politicians can be non-political if they choose to.
Obama Fluffers wearing out their knee pads
They can no longer deny that obama lied so they have to go further back and justify the attack itself.
No shit,
What the fuck does a war have to do with the slaughter of one of our embassies? These people are trying to justify our people being stabbed in the back.
BTW....do you know how many American servicemen and women died during the Clinton years?
7500
Since they are all politicians it's sorta hard for it to NOT be about politics.
The rightwing propaganda machine is mostly composed of people who are employed in the media; they are not politicians, and,
politicians can be non-political if they choose to.
media propaganda machine, eh? Right, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS,NBC, NY times, Wash post, LA times. as to propaganda in the media, the left controls. the media outlets listed are nothing but the mouthpiece of the administration and the dem party. Do you think thats good for the USA? would you think so if they were all right wing?
They can no longer deny that obama lied so they have to go further back and justify the attack itself.
No shit,
What the fuck does a war have to do with the slaughter of one of our embassies? These people are trying to justify our people being stabbed in the back.
George Bush got 4000+ Americans needlessly killed because he chose to execute a bad policy.
President Obama got 4 Americans needlessly killed because he chose to execute a bad policy.
Going into Iraq was stupid and 4000+ Americans were lost as a consequence. Going into Libya was stupid and 4 Americans were lost as a consequence.
If Obama's Benghazi is a scandal, then Bush's Iraq is one thousand times the scandal. And that's just the measure in blood, not treasure.
They can no longer deny that obama lied so they have to go further back and justify the attack itself.
No shit,
What the fuck does a war have to do with the slaughter of one of our embassies? These people are trying to justify our people being stabbed in the back.
George Bush got 4000+ Americans needlessly killed because he chose to execute a bad policy.
President Obama got 4 Americans needlessly killed because he chose to execute a bad policy.
Going into Iraq was stupid and 4000+ Americans were lost as a consequence. Going into Libya was stupid and 4 Americans were lost as a consequence.
If Obama's Benghazi is a scandal, then Bush's Iraq is one thousand times the scandal. And that's just the measure in blood, not treasure.
The rightwing propaganda machine is mostly composed of people who are employed in the media; they are not politicians, and,
politicians can be non-political if they choose to.
media propaganda machine, eh? Right, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS,NBC, NY times, Wash post, LA times. as to propaganda in the media, the left controls. the media outlets listed are nothing but the mouthpiece of the administration and the dem party. Do you think thats good for the USA? would you think so if they were all right wing?
I'm not accepting your premise, but so what if that were the case? Those are corporations in a business,
doing that 'free market' thing you conservatives revere.
Who's stopping conservatives from starting more media businesses?
btw, conservatives all but totally dominate talk radio. Conservatives dominate the internet, in 'news' outlets.
Conservatives dominate this place, in numbers anyway.
Well, then....I'm certain you can't wait to give credit to the great conservative President Reagan who saved countless American lives by defeating the Evil Empire without firing a single shot.
Then, there's this:
"Reagan’s legacy affects us dramatically today in two ways. First, Reagan’s anti-Communist foreign policy and his military buildup hastened the disintegration of the Soviet Union. In the past eight years, America’s victory in the Cold War generated a half-trillion-dollar peace dividend. That peace dividend grows every year, and it fell like manna from heaven into President Clinton’s lap. The budget deficit is falling, not primarily because Clinton raised taxes and not primarily because the congressional Republicans committed themselves to a balanced budget, but because the defense budget is nearly $100 billion lower today than when the Berlin Wall came down."
Who Balanced the Budget? | Cato Institute
1 The Democratic Congress funded the military in the 80's, not Reagan, if you want to claim that military buildup as a good thing (which I don't btw).
2. The peace dividend? The GOP/conservatives bitched about military cutbacks in the 90's every step of the way. Had the GOP been in control in the 90's, there would have been no 'peace dividend'.
3. The so-called evil empire was not defeated. Russia has essentially the same capability of wiping us out that they had 30 years ago.
1. yes and no. Reagan had to sign the appropriation bills
2. wrong, military spending was cut back in the 90s. there were lots of layoffs in the defense industry
3. wrong, the soviet fleet is rusting at the piers. they have started to rebuild but they have a long way to go to catch up to us.
media propaganda machine, eh? Right, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS,NBC, NY times, Wash post, LA times. as to propaganda in the media, the left controls. the media outlets listed are nothing but the mouthpiece of the administration and the dem party. Do you think thats good for the USA? would you think so if they were all right wing?
I'm not accepting your premise, but so what if that were the case? Those are corporations in a business,
doing that 'free market' thing you conservatives revere.
Who's stopping conservatives from starting more media businesses?
btw, conservatives all but totally dominate talk radio. Conservatives dominate the internet, in 'news' outlets.
Conservatives dominate this place, in numbers anyway.
its your premise that we are debating. I just proved your premise flawed.
1 The Democratic Congress funded the military in the 80's, not Reagan, if you want to claim that military buildup as a good thing (which I don't btw).
2. The peace dividend? The GOP/conservatives bitched about military cutbacks in the 90's every step of the way. Had the GOP been in control in the 90's, there would have been no 'peace dividend'.
3. The so-called evil empire was not defeated. Russia has essentially the same capability of wiping us out that they had 30 years ago.
1. yes and no. Reagan had to sign the appropriation bills
2. wrong, military spending was cut back in the 90s. there were lots of layoffs in the defense industry
3. wrong, the soviet fleet is rusting at the piers. they have started to rebuild but they have a long way to go to catch up to us.
I said that military spending was cut in the 90's. The other poster, that idiot PC, gave Reagan credit for that, but the GOP didn't want those cutbacks,
in fact, they were still complaining about them in 2001 on when the Afghan war and Iraq war started.
The GOP works for the defense industry.
I'm not accepting your premise, but so what if that were the case? Those are corporations in a business,
doing that 'free market' thing you conservatives revere.
Who's stopping conservatives from starting more media businesses?
btw, conservatives all but totally dominate talk radio. Conservatives dominate the internet, in 'news' outlets.
Conservatives dominate this place, in numbers anyway.
its your premise that we are debating. I just proved your premise flawed.
You don't even know what my premise was.
No shit,
What the fuck does a war have to do with the slaughter of one of our embassies? These people are trying to justify our people being stabbed in the back.
George Bush got 4000+ Americans needlessly killed because he chose to execute a bad policy.
President Obama got 4 Americans needlessly killed because he chose to execute a bad policy.
Going into Iraq was stupid and 4000+ Americans were lost as a consequence. Going into Libya was stupid and 4 Americans were lost as a consequence.
If Obama's Benghazi is a scandal, then Bush's Iraq is one thousand times the scandal. And that's just the measure in blood, not treasure.
nice try but apples and oranges. You omitted military deaths during Obama's watch. Remember the men he was going to bring home ? I always asumed he meant that he would bring them home alive.
its your premise that we are debating. I just proved your premise flawed.
You don't even know what my premise was.
you said "The rightwing propaganda machine is mostly composed of people who are employed in the media;"
I think it was safe to assume that that was your premise. then I proceeded to prove you wrong.
I served under Reagan, Bush Sr., and Clinton................
Reagan saved the military PERIOD. To the NY poster who says otherwise, I'd ask where were you then? Were you serving on a rust bucket CG that was eventually mothballed in the Persian Gulf doing tanker escorts? I was there on a ship that and in a battle group that was OLD and in need of replacement. The money spent on the military WAS NEEDED, and every POTUS since Reagan has benefitted from the Retrofit of the military by Reagan.
The problem I had with Bush Sr. is that WE DIDN'T FINISH THE JOB IN IRAQ.............. All of us wanted to finish it then, and had we done it then my nephew wouldn't be 90% dissabled due to an IED in Iraq. Even Bush Sr. later REGRETTED NOT FINISHING THE JOB.
Clinton and the Dems had NO PROBLEM DOWNSIZING OUR MILITARY IN THE 90'S. They cut it to the bone and then the Dems yelled and screamed about not having proper equipment on the battlefield when we went into Afganistan and Iraq after 9/11. WHERE WAS THAT CONCERN WHEN THEY WERE OVERJOYED TO MAKE THE CUTS IN THE 90'S????????????????
And under Clinton in Somalia, while I was there, the Rags didn't want to cause too much trouble because we had the 23th MEU with us. So they hid. Yet later after cutting our forces we got Black Hawk Down.............Even after the military requested armour and C-130 gun ships to back them up. Those requests were denied by the Clinton Administration, and the end result was the loss of American lives again.
What did we do after that? We TUCKED TAIL AND RAN................ Instead of taking care of business after Black Hawk down......
Now we have a POTUS that HAD TO KNOW THE SECURITY in LIBYA WAS DANGEROUS as Great Britain removed it's people. DIDN'T ADD SECURITY. Then we didn't have a military response during the attacks, AND THEN LIED TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT REALLY HAPPENED.
This whole incident STINKS TO THE HIGH HEAVENS. IT SMELLS LIKE A COVER UP, and EVENTUALLY the TRUTH WILL COME OUT and then we'll find out what really happened there. Either way, THEY SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST INCREASED SECURITY GIVEN THE RECENT ATTACKS THERE BEFORE OUR PEOPLE DIED.
1. yes and no. Reagan had to sign the appropriation bills
2. wrong, military spending was cut back in the 90s. there were lots of layoffs in the defense industry
3. wrong, the soviet fleet is rusting at the piers. they have started to rebuild but they have a long way to go to catch up to us.
I said that military spending was cut in the 90's. The other poster, that idiot PC, gave Reagan credit for that, but the GOP didn't want those cutbacks,
in fact, they were still complaining about them in 2001 on when the Afghan war and Iraq war started.
The GOP works for the defense industry.
both parties work for the defense industry, did you forget Kennedy and Johnson's viet nam war? clinton's kosovo? Truman and FDR in WW2?
and for the record, money spent on defense creates millions of good paying american jobs and creates millions of tax payers, while keeping the country safe.
yes, there is tremendous waste in the defense industry, there is tremendous waste in anything that the govt does.
