How Franklin Roosevelt Made Memorial Day Necessary

[PoliticalChic]

Concession to what??

You're clearly an imbecile.

I provided noted figures who were responsible for determining the facts....and they did: exactly as I stated.

And the only conclusion is that Roosevelt sacrificed 200,000 American lives to seek favor with the world's greatest homicidal maniac....Joseph Stalin.

You are clearly a person who does not no or care about the difference between subjective and speculative opinions and objective facts. You have given no rational or believable factual data to indicate a coup against Hitler or an early surrender was possible. That is important because without the actual ability to take out Hitler and replace him (a big if even if Hitler was eliminated) with a cooperative Nazi regime in that time frame was not feasible.
Subjective speulation never equals objective facts.

In short.....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.

Speak up, dunce!

The German resistance, unlike the French resistance was a nonentity during the war. They had no effective acts of resistance. Unlike the French, who covered for the resistance, Germans remained loyal and would rat out their neighbors

Your claims that this resistance could have overthrown the Nazi regime at the height of its powers and support is ridiculous

.....none of the Roosevelt boot-lickers have made any attempt at explaining.....
...much less excusing....

....Roosevelt's exchange of 200,000 American servicemen's lives simply for facilitating Soviet Communism's expansion.


In short.....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.



A brutally simply question that none of the Roosevelt boot-lickers dared answer.




What did you say???
Speak up.

OK Frau Braun...

Lets hear your alternative reality

HOW does the US support the German resistance effort?
We provided the French with money, guns, radios, explosives. How do we get those items into Germany?

If we were able to provide support, what could German resistance have accomplished? Your claims that they were remotely capable of overturning Hitler in 1942 are laughable

On the contrary.....answer the question:
In short.....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.



A brutally simply question that none of the Roosevelt boot-lickers dared answer.

 

[rightwinger]

You are clearly a person who does not no or care about the difference between subjective and speculative opinions and objective facts. You have given no rational or believable factual data to indicate a coup against Hitler or an early surrender was possible. That is important because without the actual ability to take out Hitler and replace him (a big if even if Hitler was eliminated) with a cooperative Nazi regime in that time frame was not feasible.
Subjective speulation never equals objective facts.

In short.....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.

Speak up, dunce!

The German resistance, unlike the French resistance was a nonentity during the war. They had no effective acts of resistance. Unlike the French, who covered for the resistance, Germans remained loyal and would rat out their neighbors

Your claims that this resistance could have overthrown the Nazi regime at the height of its powers and support is ridiculous

.....none of the Roosevelt boot-lickers have made any attempt at explaining.....
...much less excusing....

....Roosevelt's exchange of 200,000 American servicemen's lives simply for facilitating Soviet Communism's expansion.


In short.....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.



A brutally simply question that none of the Roosevelt boot-lickers dared answer.




What did you say???
Speak up.

OK Frau Braun...

Lets hear your alternative reality

HOW does the US support the German resistance effort?
We provided the French with money, guns, radios, explosives. How do we get those items into Germany?

If we were able to provide support, what could German resistance have accomplished? Your claims that they were remotely capable of overturning Hitler in 1942 are laughable

On the contrary.....answer the question:
In short.....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.



A brutally simply question that none of the Roosevelt boot-lickers dared answer.

There was no effective German resistance movement to support

Your claims that in 1942, German resistance was capable of killing Hitler, establishing a new government and surrendering all German conquests to the US is worthy of Donald Trump

 

[Moonglow]

You are clearly a person who does not no or care about the difference between subjective and speculative opinions and objective facts. You have given no rational or believable factual data to indicate a coup against Hitler or an early surrender was possible. That is important because without the actual ability to take out Hitler and replace him (a big if even if Hitler was eliminated) with a cooperative Nazi regime in that time frame was not feasible.
Subjective speulation never equals objective facts.

In short.....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.

Speak up, dunce!

The German resistance, unlike the French resistance was a nonentity during the war. They had no effective acts of resistance. Unlike the French, who covered for the resistance, Germans remained loyal and would rat out their neighbors

Your claims that this resistance could have overthrown the Nazi regime at the height of its powers and support is ridiculous

.....none of the Roosevelt boot-lickers have made any attempt at explaining.....
...much less excusing....

....Roosevelt's exchange of 200,000 American servicemen's lives simply for facilitating Soviet Communism's expansion.


In short.....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.



A brutally simply question that none of the Roosevelt boot-lickers dared answer.




What did you say???
Speak up.

OK Frau Braun...

Lets hear your alternative reality

HOW does the US support the German resistance effort?
We provided the French with money, guns, radios, explosives. How do we get those items into Germany?

If we were able to provide support, what could German resistance have accomplished? Your claims that they were remotely capable of overturning Hitler in 1942 are laughable

On the contrary.....answer the question:
In short.....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.



A brutally simply question that none of the Roosevelt boot-lickers dared answer.

Hitler had escaped over two dozen attempts to end his career, yet failed, which proves that he had God's shield to protect him...

 

[Moonglow]

In short.....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.

Speak up, dunce!

The German resistance, unlike the French resistance was a nonentity during the war. They had no effective acts of resistance. Unlike the French, who covered for the resistance, Germans remained loyal and would rat out their neighbors

Your claims that this resistance could have overthrown the Nazi regime at the height of its powers and support is ridiculous

.....none of the Roosevelt boot-lickers have made any attempt at explaining.....
...much less excusing....

....Roosevelt's exchange of 200,000 American servicemen's lives simply for facilitating Soviet Communism's expansion.


In short.....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.



A brutally simply question that none of the Roosevelt boot-lickers dared answer.




What did you say???
Speak up.

OK Frau Braun...

Lets hear your alternative reality

HOW does the US support the German resistance effort?
We provided the French with money, guns, radios, explosives. How do we get those items into Germany?

If we were able to provide support, what could German resistance have accomplished? Your claims that they were remotely capable of overturning Hitler in 1942 are laughable

On the contrary.....answer the question:
In short.....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.



A brutally simply question that none of the Roosevelt boot-lickers dared answer.

There was no effective German resistance movement to support

Your claims that in 1942, German resistance was capable of killing Hitler, establishing a new government and surrendering all German conquests to the US is worthy of Donald Trump

The fanatical Gook has yet to realize that people were trying to kill Hitler and failed...and there was no real way to communicate with what resistance to Hitler there was..She's trying sooo hard to make FDR look bad, yet fails like the Japs every time..

 

[irosie91]

The German resistance, unlike the French resistance was a nonentity during the war. They had no effective acts of resistance. Unlike the French, who covered for the resistance, Germans remained loyal and would rat out their neighbors

Your claims that this resistance could have overthrown the Nazi regime at the height of its powers and support is ridiculous

.....none of the Roosevelt boot-lickers have made any attempt at explaining.....
...much less excusing....

....Roosevelt's exchange of 200,000 American servicemen's lives simply for facilitating Soviet Communism's expansion.


In short.....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.



A brutally simply question that none of the Roosevelt boot-lickers dared answer.




What did you say???
Speak up.

OK Frau Braun...

Lets hear your alternative reality

HOW does the US support the German resistance effort?
We provided the French with money, guns, radios, explosives. How do we get those items into Germany?

If we were able to provide support, what could German resistance have accomplished? Your claims that they were remotely capable of overturning Hitler in 1942 are laughable

On the contrary.....answer the question:
In short.....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.



A brutally simply question that none of the Roosevelt boot-lickers dared answer.

There was no effective German resistance movement to support

Your claims that in 1942, German resistance was capable of killing Hitler, establishing a new government and surrendering all German conquests to the US is worthy of Donald Trump

The fanatical Gook has yet to realize that people were trying to kill Hitler and failed...and there was no real way to communicate with what resistance to Hitler there was..She's trying sooo hard to make FDR look bad, yet fails like the Japs every time..

seems so-----people did TRY-----but Adolf was very CAREFUL-----as was Saddam, and Idi Amin, and Pol Pot, and ASSAD (papa and baby) and DUVALIER (papa and baby)
Stalin----and lots and lots of similar type
heroes of the 20th century

 

[rightwinger]

Your concession is noted. At the end of you cut and paste attempt to make your conclusion, you admit your conclusion is nothing more than a personal opinion. "It seems to me" verifies that that is all you have to substantiate your ill concieved and uneducated conclusion.

Concession to what??

You're clearly an imbecile.

I provided noted figures who were responsible for determining the facts....and they did: exactly as I stated.

And the only conclusion is that Roosevelt sacrificed 200,000 American lives to seek favor with the world's greatest homicidal maniac....Joseph Stalin.

You are clearly a person who does not no or care about the difference between subjective and speculative opinions and objective facts. You have given no rational or believable factual data to indicate a coup against Hitler or an early surrender was possible. That is important because without the actual ability to take out Hitler and replace him (a big if even if Hitler was eliminated) with a cooperative Nazi regime in that time frame was not feasible.
Subjective speulation never equals objective facts.

In short.....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.

Speak up, dunce!

The German resistance, unlike the French resistance was a nonentity during the war. They had no effective acts of resistance. Unlike the French, who covered for the resistance, Germans remained loyal and would rat out their neighbors

Your claims that this resistance could have overthrown the Nazi regime at the height of its powers and support is ridiculous

"Your claims that this resistance could have overthrown the Nazi regime at the height of its powers and support is ridiculous."

Now...watch closely as I eviscerate you.....

It is not my claim:

1. I provided proof that FDR's own fact-finder, George Earle, met with and agreed with the German resistance, and kept trying to get FDR to agree to it.
The former governor of Pennsylvania, Commander George H. Earle, FDR's personal representative (i.e., eyes and ears) for the Balkans, stationed in Istanbul.


2. I provided proof that 'Wild Bill' Donovan, FDR' selection to head the OSS (future CIA) had agents meet with the German underground, and then sent reports pleading with FDR to agree to a treaty to end the war.
Donovan was the spy in charge of the Office of Strategic Services and FDR consented to give the full weight of his office to the formation of the new national spy organization.
As was the case with so many advisers.....personally selected by Roosevelt himself....including....
"Franklin D. Roosevelt appointed [Wm.] Bullitt the first US ambassador to the Soviet Union, a post that he filled from 1933 to 1936." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Christian_Bullitt,_Jr.
..
Roosevelt ignored what they said if it conflicted with Stalin's wishes.

3. Know who else says you're a liar?
"Major General Sir Stewart Graham Menzies, KCB KCMG DSO MC (i/ˈmɪŋᵻz/; 30 January 1890 – 29 May 1968) was Chief of MI6 (SIS), British Secret Intelligence Service from 1939 to 1952, during and after the Second World War."
Stewart Menzies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Britain's intelligence chief said this about Canaris: 'It is said that had it not been for the Foreign Office's fear of offending Russia that he might have established direct contact with the admiral [Canaris] in 1942 on the removal of Hitler as a means of shortening the war."
“Gen. Menzies, Ex-British Intelligence Chief, Dies,” New York Times, May 31, 1968.


What prevented an earlier conclusion to the war?
"... fear of offending Russia..."

Fear of offending, it seems to me, suggests a relationship with one's superiors....
i.e., Roosevelt considered Stalin his superior.


Wadda ya say, booooyyyyyeeeeeee????

THIS is what you believe?

2. I provided proof that 'Wild Bill' Donovan, FDR' selection to head the OSS (future CIA) had agents meet with the German underground, and then sent reports pleading with FDR to agree to a treaty to end the war.

In 1942 there was a treaty from Germany to end the war?
Are you serious?

This is the map in 1942

You expect the German people to agree to a surrender ?

Are you really this crazy Frau Braun?

 

[PoliticalChic]

In short.....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.

Speak up, dunce!

The German resistance, unlike the French resistance was a nonentity during the war. They had no effective acts of resistance. Unlike the French, who covered for the resistance, Germans remained loyal and would rat out their neighbors

Your claims that this resistance could have overthrown the Nazi regime at the height of its powers and support is ridiculous

.....none of the Roosevelt boot-lickers have made any attempt at explaining.....
...much less excusing....

....Roosevelt's exchange of 200,000 American servicemen's lives simply for facilitating Soviet Communism's expansion.


In short.....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.



A brutally simply question that none of the Roosevelt boot-lickers dared answer.




What did you say???
Speak up.

OK Frau Braun...

Lets hear your alternative reality

HOW does the US support the German resistance effort?
We provided the French with money, guns, radios, explosives. How do we get those items into Germany?

If we were able to provide support, what could German resistance have accomplished? Your claims that they were remotely capable of overturning Hitler in 1942 are laughable

On the contrary.....answer the question:
In short.....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.



A brutally simply question that none of the Roosevelt boot-lickers dared answer.

There was no effective German resistance movement to support

Your claims that in 1942, German resistance was capable of killing Hitler, establishing a new government and surrendering all German conquests to the US is worthy of Donald Trump

"There was no effective German resistance movement to support."

If a reading of your avi isn't enough to prove you a liar right from the jump....this post will firmly establish it to any reader of this thread.

Clearly you have no answer to ..what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement,...

...so you are running from the fact......FACT.....that there was a large anti-Nazi, anti-communist German underground.

'In a certain sense there was not a single year between 1933 and 1945 during which there was not some contact or attempt at contact, between the anti-Hitler opposition and either Britain or the Unites States, or both. The Greatest War Crime

Wilhelm Canaris

Franz von Papen

Colonel General Ludwig Beck Beginning in early 1937,"the first 'cell' of the Resistance Movement" was formed by Ludwig Beck, Army Chief of staff, and Carl Goerdeler, who had just resigned as Mayor of Leipzig as a gesture in defiance of Nazi anti-Semitism (Ritter, Goerdeler's Struggle, pp. 35-3G, 75-79). As financial adviser to the Robert Bosch firm of Stuttgart, Goerdeler was sent abroad by his employer "on business" between early 1937 and late 1939 to the U.S., Britain, Switzerland, Palestine and a dozen other countries, making contact with persons interested in the overthrow of Hitler's regime (Ibid, pp. 47, 81, 83, 305, 484; and Hoffmann, German Resistance, p. 153). The Greatest War Crime


Carl Friedrich Goerderler

Ulrich von Hassell

Johannes Popitz

Kurt von Hammerstein

Job Wilhelm Georg Erdmann Erwin von Witzleben (4 December 1881 – 8 August 1944) was a German officer, by 1940 in the rank of a Field Marshal(Generalfeldmarschall), and army commander in the Second World War. A leading conspirator in the 20 July plot,[1] he was designated to become Commander-in-Chief of the Wehrmacht armed forces in a post-Nazi regime Erwin von Witzleben - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

.General Edward Wagner

General Georg Thomas

Major General Hans Oster

General Friederich Olbricht

Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg

Wilhelm Leuchner

Julius Leber

Helmuth von Moltke

Baron Kurt von Lersner

Most importantly, the opposition to Hitler would have to be assured that the people who were about to risk their lives in an attempt to overthrow Hitler would, if they succeeded, be faced with something better than the "unconditional surrender" formula proclaimed as a British-American war aim at the Casablanca Conference of Churchill and Roosevelt in January 1943. Von Papen needed to know "whether they would grant, to a German Government which met democratic requirements, the rights to which Germany's history and position entitled her. This must be the decisive factor in any further step (von Papen, Memoirs, p. 499; and Albert C. Wedemeyer, Wedemeyer Reports! New York: Henry Holt & Co., 1958, p. 417.)."


Franz Von Papen promised to get in touch with FDR. He decided to ask his friend, Baron Kurt von Lersner (a friend of FDR) to make contact with the former governor of Pennsylvania, Commander George H. Earle, FDR's personal representative (i.e., eyes and ears) for the Balkans, stationed in Istanbul. In the meantime, German Intelligence chief, Admiral Wilhelm Canaris, long in contact with the Beck-Goerdeler group, had also decided to make the same attempt through Navy Captain Paul Leverkuehn, an internationally-known lawyer and acquaintance of William J. Donovan, head of the U.S. Office of Strategic Services (Heinz Hoehne, Canaris, trans. J. Maxwell Brownjohn Garden City, NY: Doubleday, 1979, pp. 482-83; Ritter, Goerdeler's Struggle; and von Papen, Memoirs, pp. 488-89, 499.).



So....what have we learned???
Perhaps 're-learned' is more accurate: you are a lying ignorant low-life who will say anything to defend the four-time mistake, Franklin Delano Roosevelt.


That's the truth....isn't it.

 

[rightwinger]

German resistance to Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The term German resistance should not be understood as meaning that there was a united resistance movement in Germany at any time during the Nazi period,[1] analogous to the more coordinated Polish Underground State, Greek Resistance, Yugoslav Partisans, French Resistance, and Italian Resistance. The German resistance consisted of small and usually isolated groups. They were unable to mobilize political opposition. Save for individual attacks on Nazis (including Hitler) or sabotage acts, the only real strategy was to persuade leaders of the Wehrmacht to stage a coup against the regime: the 1944 assassination attempt against Hitler was intended to trigger such a coup.[1]

Approximately 77,000 German citizens were killed for one or another form of resistance by Special Courts, courts-martial, People's Court and the civil justice system. Many of these Germans had served in government, the military, or in civil positions, which enabled them to engage in subversion and conspiracy; in addition the Canadian historian Peter Hoffman counts unspecified "tens of thousands" in concentration camps who were either suspected or actually engaged in opposition.[2] By contrast, the German historian Hans Mommsen wrote that resistance in Germany was "resistance without the people" and that the number of those Germans engaged in resistance to the Nazi regime was very small


This is the group that Frau Braun wanted FDR to mobilize and take over Germany at the height of the Nazis power

 

[Camp]

You are clearly a person who does not no or care about the difference between subjective and speculative opinions and objective facts. You have given no rational or believable factual data to indicate a coup against Hitler or an early surrender was possible. That is important because without the actual ability to take out Hitler and replace him (a big if even if Hitler was eliminated) with a cooperative Nazi regime in that time frame was not feasible.
Subjective speulation never equals objective facts.

In short.....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.

Speak up, dunce!

The German resistance, unlike the French resistance was a nonentity during the war. They had no effective acts of resistance. Unlike the French, who covered for the resistance, Germans remained loyal and would rat out their neighbors

Your claims that this resistance could have overthrown the Nazi regime at the height of its powers and support is ridiculous

.....none of the Roosevelt boot-lickers have made any attempt at explaining.....
...much less excusing....

....Roosevelt's exchange of 200,000 American servicemen's lives simply for facilitating Soviet Communism's expansion.


In short.....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.



A brutally simply question that none of the Roosevelt boot-lickers dared answer.




What did you say???
Speak up.

OK Frau Braun...

Lets hear your alternative reality

HOW does the US support the German resistance effort?
We provided the French with money, guns, radios, explosives. How do we get those items into Germany?

If we were able to provide support, what could German resistance have accomplished? Your claims that they were remotely capable of overturning Hitler in 1942 are laughable

On the contrary.....answer the question:
In short.....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.



A brutally simply question that none of the Roosevelt boot-lickers dared answer.

Maybe the allies leadership had heard the WHO song "We Won't Get Fooled Again" (sarcasm). WWI ended with a negotiated surrender with terms for Germany to follow. They ignored them and secretly built a huge sophisticated military and twenty years later they started WWII. They also may have just not wanted to make a conditional surrender with the monsters running Germany even if Hitler had been eliminated. Imagine giving amnesty to some of those horrible people. Amnesty would have to be off the table making a rational settlement in all likelihood impossible.

 

[Camp]

In short.....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....





That's the truth....isn't it.

A massive allied military presence in Europe to keep the USSR in check from exerting control and power in western Europe.
How would the Soviets fit into this wishful idea of a negotiated settlement?

 

[irosie91]

In short.....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.

Speak up, dunce!

The German resistance, unlike the French resistance was a nonentity during the war. They had no effective acts of resistance. Unlike the French, who covered for the resistance, Germans remained loyal and would rat out their neighbors

Your claims that this resistance could have overthrown the Nazi regime at the height of its powers and support is ridiculous

.....none of the Roosevelt boot-lickers have made any attempt at explaining.....
...much less excusing....

....Roosevelt's exchange of 200,000 American servicemen's lives simply for facilitating Soviet Communism's expansion.


In short.....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.



A brutally simply question that none of the Roosevelt boot-lickers dared answer.




What did you say???
Speak up.

OK Frau Braun...

Lets hear your alternative reality

HOW does the US support the German resistance effort?
We provided the French with money, guns, radios, explosives. How do we get those items into Germany?

If we were able to provide support, what could German resistance have accomplished? Your claims that they were remotely capable of overturning Hitler in 1942 are laughable

On the contrary.....answer the question:
In short.....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.



A brutally simply question that none of the Roosevelt boot-lickers dared answer.

Maybe the allies leadership had heard the WHO song "We Won't Get Fooled Again" (sarcasm). WWI ended with a negotiated surrender with terms for Germany to follow. They ignored them and secretly built a huge sophisticated military and twenty years later they started WWII. They also may have just not wanted to make a conditional surrender with the monsters running Germany even if Hitler had been eliminated. Imagine giving amnesty to some of those horrible people. Amnesty would have to be off the table making a rational settlement in all likelihood impossible.

thanks camp you almost took the words out of my finger tips------based on HISTORY ---
Roosevelt did not trust the germans (aka Krauts) which does not PROVE that he loved Stalin

 

[PoliticalChic]

German resistance to Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The term German resistance should not be understood as meaning that there was a united resistance movement in Germany at any time during the Nazi period,[1] analogous to the more coordinated Polish Underground State, Greek Resistance, Yugoslav Partisans, French Resistance, and Italian Resistance. The German resistance consisted of small and usually isolated groups. They were unable to mobilize political opposition. Save for individual attacks on Nazis (including Hitler) or sabotage acts, the only real strategy was to persuade leaders of the Wehrmacht to stage a coup against the regime: the 1944 assassination attempt against Hitler was intended to trigger such a coup.[1]

Approximately 77,000 German citizens were killed for one or another form of resistance by Special Courts, courts-martial, People's Court and the civil justice system. Many of these Germans had served in government, the military, or in civil positions, which enabled them to engage in subversion and conspiracy; in addition the Canadian historian Peter Hoffman counts unspecified "tens of thousands" in concentration camps who were either suspected or actually engaged in opposition.[2] By contrast, the German historian Hans Mommsen wrote that resistance in Germany was "resistance without the people" and that the number of those Germans engaged in resistance to the Nazi regime was very small


This is the group that Frau Braun wanted FDR to mobilize and take over Germany at the height of the Nazis power

False.


1. I provided proof that FDR's own fact-finder, George Earle, met with and agreed with the German resistance, and kept trying to get FDR to agree to it.


2. I provided proof that 'Wild Bill' Donovan, FDR' selection to head the OSS (future CIA) had agents meet with the German underground, and then sent reports pleading with FDR to agree to a treaty to end the war.

And this....

3. One of the highest anti-Nazi Germans was the chief of Nazi Germany's military intelligence division, the Abwehr, Admiral Wm. Canaris. Try as he might, the Allies would not open communications channels with Canaris .


a. "Wilhelm Franz Canaris (1 January 1887 – 9 April 1945) was a German admiral, and chief of the Abwehr, the German military intelligence service, from 1935 to 1944. During the Second World War, he was among the military officers involved in the clandestine opposition to Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime.... "Wilhelm Canaris - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


b. A few weeks before the war ended, Canaris was hanged by he Nazis. Hanged twice: "once to show him what death tasted like."
“Canaris Hanging Related,” New York Times, October 11, 1952.


c. Britain's intelligence chief said this about Canaris: 'It is said that had it not been for the Foreign Office's fear of offending Russia that he might have established direct contact with the admiral [Canaris] in 1942 on the removal of Hitler as a means of shortening the war."
“Gen. Menzies, Ex-British Intelligence Chief, Dies,” New York Times, May 31, 1968.




Did you see the date: 1942. When did the war with Germany finally end?

"May 7, 1945: Germany surrenders unconditionally to the Allies at Reims" Germany surrenders unconditionally to the Allies at Reims ? History.com This Day in History ? 5/7/1945

What prevented an earlier conclusion to the war?
"... fear of offending Russia..."

Fear of offending, it seems to me, suggests a relationship with one's superiors....
i.e., Roosevelt considered Stalin his superior.





Not enough????


OK....more:

Let's look at a primary source, Allen Dulles,first civilian to head the CIA, and its longest serving director. In "Germany's Underground: The Anti-Nazi Resistance," Dulles wrote of thatthe German was the only anti-Nazi underground not supported by the United States. (p.22).
On page 140, Dulles states "The plotters (anti-Nazi German resistance)....were told clearly and repeatedly that we had made common cause with Russia...." as the reason they were frozen out.

The NYTimes told the same story, March 18, 1946: "Full Story of Anti-Hitler Plot Shows That Allies Refused To Assist."



And this:

....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.

 

[PoliticalChic]

In short.....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.

Speak up, dunce!

The German resistance, unlike the French resistance was a nonentity during the war. They had no effective acts of resistance. Unlike the French, who covered for the resistance, Germans remained loyal and would rat out their neighbors

Your claims that this resistance could have overthrown the Nazi regime at the height of its powers and support is ridiculous

.....none of the Roosevelt boot-lickers have made any attempt at explaining.....
...much less excusing....

....Roosevelt's exchange of 200,000 American servicemen's lives simply for facilitating Soviet Communism's expansion.


In short.....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.



A brutally simply question that none of the Roosevelt boot-lickers dared answer.




What did you say???
Speak up.

OK Frau Braun...

Lets hear your alternative reality

HOW does the US support the German resistance effort?
We provided the French with money, guns, radios, explosives. How do we get those items into Germany?

If we were able to provide support, what could German resistance have accomplished? Your claims that they were remotely capable of overturning Hitler in 1942 are laughable

On the contrary.....answer the question:
In short.....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.



A brutally simply question that none of the Roosevelt boot-lickers dared answer.

Maybe the allies leadership had heard the WHO song "We Won't Get Fooled Again" (sarcasm). WWI ended with a negotiated surrender with terms for Germany to follow. They ignored them and secretly built a huge sophisticated military and twenty years later they started WWII. They also may have just not wanted to make a conditional surrender with the monsters running Germany even if Hitler had been eliminated. Imagine giving amnesty to some of those horrible people. Amnesty would have to be off the table making a rational settlement in all likelihood impossible.

....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The German resistance, unlike the French resistance was a nonentity during the war. They had no effective acts of resistance. Unlike the French, who covered for the resistance, Germans remained loyal and would rat out their neighbors

Your claims that this resistance could have overthrown the Nazi regime at the height of its powers and support is ridiculous

.....none of the Roosevelt boot-lickers have made any attempt at explaining.....
...much less excusing....

....Roosevelt's exchange of 200,000 American servicemen's lives simply for facilitating Soviet Communism's expansion.


In short.....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.



A brutally simply question that none of the Roosevelt boot-lickers dared answer.




What did you say???
Speak up.

OK Frau Braun...

Lets hear your alternative reality

HOW does the US support the German resistance effort?
We provided the French with money, guns, radios, explosives. How do we get those items into Germany?

If we were able to provide support, what could German resistance have accomplished? Your claims that they were remotely capable of overturning Hitler in 1942 are laughable

On the contrary.....answer the question:
In short.....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.



A brutally simply question that none of the Roosevelt boot-lickers dared answer.

Maybe the allies leadership had heard the WHO song "We Won't Get Fooled Again" (sarcasm). WWI ended with a negotiated surrender with terms for Germany to follow. They ignored them and secretly built a huge sophisticated military and twenty years later they started WWII. They also may have just not wanted to make a conditional surrender with the monsters running Germany even if Hitler had been eliminated. Imagine giving amnesty to some of those horrible people. Amnesty would have to be off the table making a rational settlement in all likelihood impossible.

thanks camp you almost took the words out of my finger tips------based on HISTORY ---
Roosevelt did not trust the germans (aka Krauts) which does not PROVE that he loved Stalin

....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Gee.....this one simple question has had the same effect as holding a cross in front of a vampire.....

...and you totalitarian supporters are political vampires.....sucking out the freedom from society....



Try to answer:

....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.

 

[irosie91]

German resistance to Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The term German resistance should not be understood as meaning that there was a united resistance movement in Germany at any time during the Nazi period,[1] analogous to the more coordinated Polish Underground State, Greek Resistance, Yugoslav Partisans, French Resistance, and Italian Resistance. The German resistance consisted of small and usually isolated groups. They were unable to mobilize political opposition. Save for individual attacks on Nazis (including Hitler) or sabotage acts, the only real strategy was to persuade leaders of the Wehrmacht to stage a coup against the regime: the 1944 assassination attempt against Hitler was intended to trigger such a coup.[1]

Approximately 77,000 German citizens were killed for one or another form of resistance by Special Courts, courts-martial, People's Court and the civil justice system. Many of these Germans had served in government, the military, or in civil positions, which enabled them to engage in subversion and conspiracy; in addition the Canadian historian Peter Hoffman counts unspecified "tens of thousands" in concentration camps who were either suspected or actually engaged in opposition.[2] By contrast, the German historian Hans Mommsen wrote that resistance in Germany was "resistance without the people" and that the number of those Germans engaged in resistance to the Nazi regime was very small


This is the group that Frau Braun wanted FDR to mobilize and take over Germany at the height of the Nazis power

False.


1. I provided proof that FDR's own fact-finder, George Earle, met with and agreed with the German resistance, and kept trying to get FDR to agree to it.


2. I provided proof that 'Wild Bill' Donovan, FDR' selection to head the OSS (future CIA) had agents meet with the German underground, and then sent reports pleading with FDR to agree to a treaty to end the war.

And this....

3. One of the highest anti-Nazi Germans was the chief of Nazi Germany's military intelligence division, the Abwehr, Admiral Wm. Canaris. Try as he might, the Allies would not open communications channels with Canaris .


a. "Wilhelm Franz Canaris (1 January 1887 – 9 April 1945) was a German admiral, and chief of the Abwehr, the German military intelligence service, from 1935 to 1944. During the Second World War, he was among the military officers involved in the clandestine opposition to Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime.... "Wilhelm Canaris - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


b. A few weeks before the war ended, Canaris was hanged by he Nazis. Hanged twice: "once to show him what death tasted like."
“Canaris Hanging Related,” New York Times, October 11, 1952.


c. Britain's intelligence chief said this about Canaris: 'It is said that had it not been for the Foreign Office's fear of offending Russia that he might have established direct contact with the admiral [Canaris] in 1942 on the removal of Hitler as a means of shortening the war."
“Gen. Menzies, Ex-British Intelligence Chief, Dies,” New York Times, May 31, 1968.




Did you see the date: 1942. When did the war with Germany finally end?

"May 7, 1945: Germany surrenders unconditionally to the Allies at Reims" Germany surrenders unconditionally to the Allies at Reims ? History.com This Day in History ? 5/7/1945

What prevented an earlier conclusion to the war?
"... fear of offending Russia..."

Fear of offending, it seems to me, suggests a relationship with one's superiors....
i.e., Roosevelt considered Stalin his superior.





Not enough????


OK....more:

Let's look at a primary source, Allen Dulles,first civilian to head the CIA, and its longest serving director. In "Germany's Underground: The Anti-Nazi Resistance," Dulles wrote of thatthe German was the only anti-Nazi underground not supported by the United States. (p.22).
On page 140, Dulles states "The plotters (anti-Nazi German resistance)....were told clearly and repeatedly that we had made common cause with Russia...." as the reason they were frozen out.

The NYTimes told the same story, March 18, 1946: "Full Story of Anti-Hitler Plot Shows That Allies Refused To Assist."



And this:

....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.

yeah-----ok and the bulk of americans like YOU-----supported the murder of my Austrian cousins by ADOLF HITLER------I can prove it.

 

[irosie91]

Gee.....this one simple question has had the same effect as holding a cross in front of a vampire.....

...and you totalitarian supporters are political vampires.....sucking out the freedom from society....



Try to answer:

....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.

the same thing that americans like you gained from denying my cousins in Austria-----immigration to the USA

 

[Camp]

3. One of the highest anti-Nazi Germans was the chief of Nazi Germany's military intelligence division, the Abwehr, Admiral Wm. Canaris. Try as he might, the Allies would not open communications channels with Canaris .


a. "Wilhelm Franz Canaris (1 January 1887 – 9 April 1945) was a German admiral, and chief of the Abwehr, the German military intelligence service, from 1935 to 1944. During the Second World War, he was among the military officers involved in the clandestine opposition to Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime.... "Wilhelm Canaris - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


b. A few weeks before the war ended, Canaris was hanged by he Nazis. Hanged twice: "once to show him what death tasted like."
“Canaris Hanging Related,” New York Times, October 11, 1952.

Once again, the OP shows her lack of understanding beyond cherry picked quotes without context. Canaris was not the powerful authority the OP attempts to project. He was the chief of the military intelligence service, which was not the primary intelligence service in Nazi Germany. He did not outrank the Gestapo and SS. His role was restricted to gathering and analizing military intelligence for the German military. He had the position of a DIA chief in America, not the chief of the CIA and FBI. Gestapo and SS ruled, not the intelligence gathering arm of the military.

 

[Camp]

The German resistance, unlike the French resistance was a nonentity during the war. They had no effective acts of resistance. Unlike the French, who covered for the resistance, Germans remained loyal and would rat out their neighbors

Your claims that this resistance could have overthrown the Nazi regime at the height of its powers and support is ridiculous

.....none of the Roosevelt boot-lickers have made any attempt at explaining.....
...much less excusing....

....Roosevelt's exchange of 200,000 American servicemen's lives simply for facilitating Soviet Communism's expansion.


In short.....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.



A brutally simply question that none of the Roosevelt boot-lickers dared answer.




What did you say???
Speak up.

OK Frau Braun...

Lets hear your alternative reality

HOW does the US support the German resistance effort?
We provided the French with money, guns, radios, explosives. How do we get those items into Germany?

If we were able to provide support, what could German resistance have accomplished? Your claims that they were remotely capable of overturning Hitler in 1942 are laughable

On the contrary.....answer the question:
In short.....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.



A brutally simply question that none of the Roosevelt boot-lickers dared answer.

Maybe the allies leadership had heard the WHO song "We Won't Get Fooled Again" (sarcasm). WWI ended with a negotiated surrender with terms for Germany to follow. They ignored them and secretly built a huge sophisticated military and twenty years later they started WWII. They also may have just not wanted to make a conditional surrender with the monsters running Germany even if Hitler had been eliminated. Imagine giving amnesty to some of those horrible people. Amnesty would have to be off the table making a rational settlement in all likelihood impossible.

....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.

Your question has been answered and responded to by multiple posters. Instead of offering your own response to the specific answers and refutes you just keep posting the same claim via an inadequate quote. You are ignoring and evading the refutes and answering the responses that nullify your idea about an early surrender being possible.

 

[rightwinger]

German resistance to Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The term German resistance should not be understood as meaning that there was a united resistance movement in Germany at any time during the Nazi period,[1] analogous to the more coordinated Polish Underground State, Greek Resistance, Yugoslav Partisans, French Resistance, and Italian Resistance. The German resistance consisted of small and usually isolated groups. They were unable to mobilize political opposition. Save for individual attacks on Nazis (including Hitler) or sabotage acts, the only real strategy was to persuade leaders of the Wehrmacht to stage a coup against the regime: the 1944 assassination attempt against Hitler was intended to trigger such a coup.[1]

Approximately 77,000 German citizens were killed for one or another form of resistance by Special Courts, courts-martial, People's Court and the civil justice system. Many of these Germans had served in government, the military, or in civil positions, which enabled them to engage in subversion and conspiracy; in addition the Canadian historian Peter Hoffman counts unspecified "tens of thousands" in concentration camps who were either suspected or actually engaged in opposition.[2] By contrast, the German historian Hans Mommsen wrote that resistance in Germany was "resistance without the people" and that the number of those Germans engaged in resistance to the Nazi regime was very small


This is the group that Frau Braun wanted FDR to mobilize and take over Germany at the height of the Nazis power

False.


1. I provided proof that FDR's own fact-finder, George Earle, met with and agreed with the German resistance, and kept trying to get FDR to agree to it.


2. I provided proof that 'Wild Bill' Donovan, FDR' selection to head the OSS (future CIA) had agents meet with the German underground, and then sent reports pleading with FDR to agree to a treaty to end the war.

And this....

3. One of the highest anti-Nazi Germans was the chief of Nazi Germany's military intelligence division, the Abwehr, Admiral Wm. Canaris. Try as he might, the Allies would not open communications channels with Canaris .


a. "Wilhelm Franz Canaris (1 January 1887 – 9 April 1945) was a German admiral, and chief of the Abwehr, the German military intelligence service, from 1935 to 1944. During the Second World War, he was among the military officers involved in the clandestine opposition to Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime.... "Wilhelm Canaris - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


b. A few weeks before the war ended, Canaris was hanged by he Nazis. Hanged twice: "once to show him what death tasted like."
“Canaris Hanging Related,” New York Times, October 11, 1952.


c. Britain's intelligence chief said this about Canaris: 'It is said that had it not been for the Foreign Office's fear of offending Russia that he might have established direct contact with the admiral [Canaris] in 1942 on the removal of Hitler as a means of shortening the war."
“Gen. Menzies, Ex-British Intelligence Chief, Dies,” New York Times, May 31, 1968.




Did you see the date: 1942. When did the war with Germany finally end?

"May 7, 1945: Germany surrenders unconditionally to the Allies at Reims" Germany surrenders unconditionally to the Allies at Reims ? History.com This Day in History ? 5/7/1945

What prevented an earlier conclusion to the war?
"... fear of offending Russia..."

Fear of offending, it seems to me, suggests a relationship with one's superiors....
i.e., Roosevelt considered Stalin his superior.





Not enough????


OK....more:

Let's look at a primary source, Allen Dulles,first civilian to head the CIA, and its longest serving director. In "Germany's Underground: The Anti-Nazi Resistance," Dulles wrote of thatthe German was the only anti-Nazi underground not supported by the United States. (p.22).
On page 140, Dulles states "The plotters (anti-Nazi German resistance)....were told clearly and repeatedly that we had made common cause with Russia...." as the reason they were frozen out.

The NYTimes told the same story, March 18, 1946: "Full Story of Anti-Hitler Plot Shows That Allies Refused To Assist."



And this:

....what did America gain by not supporting the German resistance movement, which would have turned Hitler over to the Allies, ended the war at least two years earlier than it ended, .....

....and all it would have cost the world is the absence of the Cold War, no Korean nor Vietnam Wars, and no Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe...
...and a bonus: 200,000 fewer American dead.

All that cut and paste.......none supporting your claims

Canaris was no magic solution to ending the war.

He was unable to negotiate a surrender with the Russians knocking on the doors of Berlin, yet you expect him to be able to surrender in 1942 at the peak of Nazi power

Canaris was tortured and executed for his efforts

You have failed miserably at providing a credible alternate ending where the Germans would have completely surrendered in 1942. The reason is that your claims are ludicrous