How do you interpet these two charts ?

[Pksimon2007]

What is going to happen in China when automation sets in?

- China needs automation.

Their working population is going to drop drastically. Their problem is the opposite of most countries.

 

[Pksimon2007]

Second question. How much will manufacturing employment increase because of cheap energy in this country?

Not at all? Cheaper energy will, according the laws of aggregate supply and aggregate demand, increase output in the short run, but that says nothing about employment in the long run. In fact, cheaper energy may actually decrease manufacturing employment because it will be even more cost-effective for firms to use machines instead of humans.

Yup.

 

[Flopper]

The growing trend in American manufacturing is manufacturing components abroad with final assembly in the US. Often that final assemble is nothing more than putting the major assembly in a case, adding accessories, inspecting, packing, and shipping. Thus, most of labor is done overseas. I recently visited a manufacturing plant in Idaho. Today they are producing the same type of product they manufactured in 2000 with an employment of 95 versus 275 employees. The difference is most of the components are made overseas.

 

[Pksimon2007]

The growing trend in American manufacturing is manufacturing components abroad with final assembly in the US. Often that final assemble is nothing more than putting the major assembly in a case, adding accessories, inspecting, packing, and shipping. Thus, most of labor is done overseas. I recently visited a manufacturing plant in Idaho. Today they are producing the same type of product they manufactured in 2000 with an employment of 95 versus 275 employees. The difference is most of the components are made overseas.

- Manufacturing jobs aren't what they once were anyway.

Many manufacturing jobs have, in fact, come back to the U.S. With our labor surplus, though, they don't pay squat.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The growing trend in American manufacturing is manufacturing components abroad with final assembly in the US. Often that final assemble is nothing more than putting the major assembly in a case, adding accessories, inspecting, packing, and shipping. Thus, most of labor is done overseas. I recently visited a manufacturing plant in Idaho. Today they are producing the same type of product they manufactured in 2000 with an employment of 95 versus 275 employees. The difference is most of the components are made overseas.

- Manufacturing jobs aren't what they once were anyway.

Many manufacturing jobs have, in fact, come back to the U.S. With our labor surplus, though, they don't pay squat.

Imagine if we eliminated the corporate tax by going from 40% to 0% and then made unions illegal again and stopped the war on our families and schools??

 

[CultureCitizen]

The growing trend in American manufacturing is manufacturing components abroad with final assembly in the US. Often that final assemble is nothing more than putting the major assembly in a case, adding accessories, inspecting, packing, and shipping. Thus, most of labor is done overseas. I recently visited a manufacturing plant in Idaho. Today they are producing the same type of product they manufactured in 2000 with an employment of 95 versus 275 employees. The difference is most of the components are made overseas.

- Manufacturing jobs aren't what they once were anyway.

Many manufacturing jobs have, in fact, come back to the U.S. With our labor surplus, though, they don't pay squat.

Imagine if we eliminated the corporate tax by going from 40% to 0% and then made unions illegal again and stopped the war on our families and schools??

How is your answer related to the OP?

 

[Flopper]

The growing trend in American manufacturing is manufacturing components abroad with final assembly in the US. Often that final assemble is nothing more than putting the major assembly in a case, adding accessories, inspecting, packing, and shipping. Thus, most of labor is done overseas. I recently visited a manufacturing plant in Idaho. Today they are producing the same type of product they manufactured in 2000 with an employment of 95 versus 275 employees. The difference is most of the components are made overseas.

- Manufacturing jobs aren't what they once were anyway.

Many manufacturing jobs have, in fact, come back to the U.S. With our labor surplus, though, they don't pay squat.

That's because it's light manufacturing with labor intensive work still done overseas. A lot of it is just final assemble and packing.

 

[Shrimpbox]

What does your network say would say would do the most to bring manufacturing back to the U.S. Flopper?

 

[CultureCitizen]

Increased productivity.
It's why we're not all starving farmers.

...what's the productivity ratio between the US and China?
...and more important : where is productivity rising more quickly ?
evenmore... the crucial question is how much time will happen before China's productivity matches the productivity in the US.
It's kind of hard to answer with those two charts.
Let's add another chart.

 

[there4eyeM]

One interpretation would be that distribution of wealth has to be re-interpreted.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Increased productivity.
It's why we're not all starving farmers.

...what's the productivity ratio between the US and China?
...and more important : where is productivity rising more quickly ?
evenmore... the crucial question is how much time will happen before China's productivity matches the productivity in the US.
It's kind of hard to answer with those two charts.
Let's add another chart.

If your earlier charts are correct, and China really does manufacture $2.4 trillion worth of goods and we manufacture $2.0 trillion, they take 6 or 7 times the number of workers to do that.
That makes us 5 or 6 times as productive per worker.

 

[CultureCitizen]

Increased productivity.
It's why we're not all starving farmers.

...what's the productivity ratio between the US and China?
...and more important : where is productivity rising more quickly ?
evenmore... the crucial question is how much time will happen before China's productivity matches the productivity in the US.
It's kind of hard to answer with those two charts.
Let's add another chart.

If your earlier charts are correct, and China really does manufacture $2.4 trillion worth of goods and we manufacture $2.0 trillion, they take 6 or 7 times the number of workers to do that.
That makes us 5 or 6 times as productive per worker.

But more important , their productivity is sky rocketing. In 10 years the number of workers increased 15% , yet their productivity increased 300%.

It is very likely they reach US productivity levels in 15 or 20 years.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Increased productivity.
It's why we're not all starving farmers.

...what's the productivity ratio between the US and China?
...and more important : where is productivity rising more quickly ?
evenmore... the crucial question is how much time will happen before China's productivity matches the productivity in the US.
It's kind of hard to answer with those two charts.
Let's add another chart.

If your earlier charts are correct, and China really does manufacture $2.4 trillion worth of goods and we manufacture $2.0 trillion, they take 6 or 7 times the number of workers to do that.
That makes us 5 or 6 times as productive per worker.

But more important , their productivity is sky rocketing. In 10 years the number of workers increased 15% , yet their productivity increased 300%.

It is very likely they reach US productivity levels in 15 or 20 years.

In 10 years the number of workers increased 15% , yet their productivity increased 300%.

It's easier to increase your productivity when you start at the level of planting rice with a stick.

It is very likely they reach US productivity levels in 15 or 20 years.

I doubt it. Of course if we keep electing idiots that damage our economy.....maybe.

 

[there4eyeM]

Except that consumption at that rate is impossible!

 

[CultureCitizen]

What does your network say would say would do the most to bring manufacturing back to the U.S. Flopper?

Whatever the actions they have to be taken extremely quickly in a 20 year frame China will reach the same productivity levels as the US. Once that happens, other than full automation , there won't be any way of bringing production back to the US ( and again , that would be the production , not the jobs ).

 

[Mad Scientist]

The graphs show that this is the "Summer of Recovery".

EDIT: Double, "Seasonally Adjusted", Summer of Recovery.

 

[CultureCitizen]

In 10 years the number of workers increased 15% , yet their productivity increased 300%.

It's easier to increase your productivity when you start at the level of planting rice with a stick.

It is very likely they reach US productivity levels in 15 or 20 years.

I doubt it. Of course if we keep electing idiots that damage our economy.....maybe.

Farmers... sure, industry workers, not quite.
Further automation will take place Bush dynasty notwithstanding.

China s Dominance in Manufacturing in One Chart - The Atlantic

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

In 10 years the number of workers increased 15% , yet their productivity increased 300%.

It's easier to increase your productivity when you start at the level of planting rice with a stick.

It is very likely they reach US productivity levels in 15 or 20 years.

I doubt it. Of course if we keep electing idiots that damage our economy.....maybe.

Farmers... sure, industry workers, not quite.
Further automation will take place Bush dynasty notwithstanding.

China s Dominance in Manufacturing in One Chart - The Atlantic

Farmers... sure, industry workers, not quite.

Their jump in productivity was from taking farmers and putting them in factories.

Further automation will take place Bush dynasty notwithstanding.

I was thinking about idiots further to the left than the Bushs.

 

[CultureCitizen]

In 10 years the number of workers increased 15% , yet their productivity increased 300%.

It's easier to increase your productivity when you start at the level of planting rice with a stick.

It is very likely they reach US productivity levels in 15 or 20 years.

I doubt it. Of course if we keep electing idiots that damage our economy.....maybe.

Farmers... sure, industry workers, not quite.
Further automation will take place Bush dynasty notwithstanding.

China s Dominance in Manufacturing in One Chart - The Atlantic

Farmers... sure, industry workers, not quite.

Their jump in productivity was from taking farmers and putting them in factories.

Further automation will take place Bush dynasty notwithstanding.

I was thinking about idiots further to the left than the Bushs.

"Their jump in productivity was from taking farmers and putting them in factories."
That was pre- 2000. Do you think they assemple iphones and solar panels with sticks?

"I was thinking about idiots further to the left than the Bushs"

Oh that. Don't wory , automation is an independent process, the president's affiliation is irrelevant.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

In 10 years the number of workers increased 15% , yet their productivity increased 300%.

It's easier to increase your productivity when you start at the level of planting rice with a stick.

It is very likely they reach US productivity levels in 15 or 20 years.

I doubt it. Of course if we keep electing idiots that damage our economy.....maybe.

Farmers... sure, industry workers, not quite.
Further automation will take place Bush dynasty notwithstanding.

China s Dominance in Manufacturing in One Chart - The Atlantic

Farmers... sure, industry workers, not quite.

Their jump in productivity was from taking farmers and putting them in factories.

Further automation will take place Bush dynasty notwithstanding.

I was thinking about idiots further to the left than the Bushs.

"Their jump in productivity was from taking farmers and putting them in factories."
That was pre- 2000. Do you think they assemple iphones and solar panels with sticks?

"I was thinking about idiots further to the left than the Bushs"

Oh that. Don't wory , automation is an independent process, the president's affiliation is irrelevant.

That was pre- 2000. Do you think they assemple iphones and solar panels with sticks?

Do you think their rate of productivity growth remains as high as it was pre-2000?

Oh that. Don't wory , automation is an independent process, the president's affiliation is irrelevant.

When a new rule on CO2 stops the automated factory from being built, the idiocy of the president is very relevant.