How do we Know Human are Causing Climate Change?

[Stann]

I'm not into playing games and that what you seem to be doing. You can look up all that information for yourself and keep denying that it's occurring. That's fine with me no skin off my back. Besides it's not my job to educate you that's your job. We're going back to the cost of solar panels I looked it up the average cost for a 5 Watt home system installed is $11,000. Now you can complain about that. You can't just look at it as the monitor cost to you right now. Look at it as an investment in the future, because if you are an older person it'll probably never pay off itself in your lifetime. It will continue working long after you're gone and the world will be a better place for it. I better clarify that, the world will be a better place because you installed solar panels.

 

[jc456]

Guess it's better than following the science which actually seems pretty clear.

But you can't seem to explain the science you follow, why is that?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You're welcome. --I provide. You consume and disparage. Adult vs. Child. Such is life.-- Implicit subsidies accounting for the rest, obviously. But let's look a tad closer at the math, shall we.. 8% of "$5.9 Trillion in Subsidies" =..
$472 Billion. Wow, that's a lot of direct subsiding for an industry reporting record profits! You're supposedly here for the little guy? Why are we subsidizing record profits again?

Math is hard for some people.

Fossil Fuel Subsidies

Subsidies are intended to protect consumers by keeping prices low, but they come at a high cost. Subsidies have sizable fiscal costs (leading to higher taxes/borrowing or lower spending), promote inefficient allocation of an economy’s resources (hindering growth), encourage pollution...

www.imf.org

$472 billion for the entire world? That's awful!

Wow, that's a lot of direct subsiding for an industry reporting record profits!

Hold on there a second, numbnuts.
Your source didn't say $472 billion directly handed to fossil fuel companies, did it?

Dig a little deeper. Maybe ask Stephen for a bit more help?

 

[jc456]

I'm not into playing games and that what you seem to be doing. You can look up all that information for yourself and keep denying that it's occurring. That's fine with me no skin off my back. Besides it's not my job to educate you that's your job. We're going back to the cost of solar panels I looked it up the average cost for a 5 Watt home system installed is $11,000. Now you can complain about that. You can't just look at it as the monitor cost to you right now. Look at it as an investment in the future, because if you are an older person it'll probably never pay off itself in your lifetime. It will continue working long after you're gone and the world will be a better place for it. I better clarify that, the world will be a better place because you installed solar panels.

now divide 11,000 by $140 and how many months of electricity will you have paid for? almost 79 months of 140 dollar payments and that's free to you!!! can't make it up.

 

[Meister]

I'm not into playing games and that what you seem to be doing. You can look up all that information for yourself and keep denying that it's occurring. That's fine with me no skin off my back. Besides it's not my job to educate you that's your job. We're going back to the cost of solar panels I looked it up the average cost for a 5 Watt home system installed is $11,000. Now you can complain about that. You can't just look at it as the monitor cost to you right now. Look at it as an investment in the future, because if you are an older person it'll probably never pay off itself in your lifetime. It will continue working long after you're gone and the world will be a better place for it. I better clarify that, the world will be a better place because you installed solar panels.

What is the shelf life of those solar panels when being used? It's a serious question, I know 10-15 years ago
they weren't paying for themselves before they expired. Not sure if they changed or not. Also, China was the biggest producer
of them. Are we competitive now?

 

[jc456]

So the only valid alternative is if everything is completely free?

That isn't going to happen anytime soon.

well I was just told all installed it's about 11,000 dollars. Now your $140 a month payment divided into 11,000 comes out to 79 months of 140 dollar payments. That's almost 7 years dude!!!! That isn't free electricity. One other point to include here, after seven years will he need to update the system? How much you supposed it will cost extra for the next seven years of free electricity? hahahahahahahahaahahaha I joined Amazon Prime and for only 140 dollars I get free shipments on many items. I bet you believe that line eh? It's your kind of stupid that makes the world go round.

 

[jc456]

human-induced effects on climate change."

what are the effects?

 

[jc456]

You missed my long running thread?
I've covered all the Pillars of the issue with them.
I don't dodge you, YOU dodge me junior.
Ran for TWO YEARS until This july..

Scientific consensus on climate change - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Opposing ​

(The AGW Consensus)​

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Since 2007, when the American Association of Petroleum Geologists released a revised statement,[29] NO national or international scientific body any longer rejects the findings of human-induced effects on climate change.".."[28][30]..​

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Opposing the AGW Consensus are . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_consensus_on_climate_change#Opposing Opposing (The AGW Consensus) Since 2007, when the American Association of Petroleum Geologists released a revised statement,[29] NO national or international scientific body any longer rejects the findings of...

www.usmessageboard.com

and continue reading Link for Surveys of scientists and their papers/opinions.
Overwhelming.
And the more specialist they are/the more convinced.

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[jc456]

But it's not even close to the same number as think it is real.

so how many for and how many against? Let's see the totals since you know it isn't close.

Honestly, you can't really be this retarded.

 

[jc456]

If you google you will find MANY MANY MANY sources (many of them actual ECONOMISTS) calling what the oil companies get "subsidies".

if there are so many many many of them, why is it you can't post one?

 

[Stann]

so will new infrastructure be at no cost?

Dream on. Of course it's going to cost, but weighing that against the cost of climate change, it's still a whole lot cheaper. The estimated climate change damage to the United States alone last year was $145 billion dollars. There were 20 separate events that were over a billion dollars each. Not to mention the loss of life, 688 people died in those events.

 

[jc456]

The estimated climate change damage to the United States alone last year was $145 billion dollars.

what got damaged by climate?

 

[jc456]

There were 20 separate events that were over a billion dollars each. Not to mention the loss of life, 688 people died in those events

the climate changed 20 times in a year? Holy shit, how did that happen?

 

[Stann]

so how many for and how many against? Let's see the totals since you know it isn't close.

Honestly, you can't really be this retarded.

99% of our scientists firmly believe in the catastrophic event called climate change that is gripping our planet. The other 1% probably work for big oil or big coal or just Fringe lunatics.

 

[Stann]

what got damaged by climate?

Everything is being affected. But like I said you're not interested in learning the truth you're just here to try to deny climate changes occurring in your own silly fashion so I'm done explaining things to you you can look them up and do the hard work like everybody else.

 

[jc456]

99% of our scientists firmly believe in the catastrophic event called climate change that is gripping our planet. The other 1% probably work for big oil or big coal or just Fringe lunatics.

Seriously, you didn't just post that.

how many scientists make up your 99% out of how many scientists?

 

[abu afak]

What is the shelf life of those solar panels when being used? It's a serious question, I know 10-15 years ago
they weren't paying for themselves before they expired. Not sure if they changed or not. Also, China was the biggest producer
of them. Are we competitive now?

You should have ready any number of many of my threads but you're not really interested in the topic, just a Right Wing politico/HACK.

Solar has gotten 80-90% more efficient /cheaper in the last decade+ and is now the cheapest producer of electric in large favorable settings.
That and lower interest rates offset/amortize the front-loaded cost of Renewables. (vs the ongoing cost of Fossil fuels).

85% of money spent on power generation was spent on renewables in 2021. (see my thread starts!!)
Up from 2/3 in 2016. (another thread start!!)

The biggest adder of renewables last year (by TRIPLE) was King-oil TEXAS. (another of my OPs!!)

You are a totally uninterested party and RW Hack. You are even blind to the board you ostensibly moderate.

All this info is obtainable in minutes using google.
Even seeing my OPs (if not reading them) IS an Education. That's the idea.

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[jc456]

Everything is being affected. But like I said you're not interested in learning the truth you're just here to try to deny climate changes occurring in your own silly fashion so I'm done explaining things to you you can look them up and do the hard work like everybody else.

everything? holy fk. what is happening?

 

[jc456]

You should have ready any number of many of my threads but you're not really interested in the topic, just aa Right Wing politico/HACK.

Solar has gotten 80-90% more efficient /cheaper in the last decade+ and is now the cheapest producer of electric in large favorable settings.
That and lower interest rates offset the front-loaded cost of Renewables. (vs the ongoing cost of Fossil fuels).

85% of money spent on power generation was spent on renewables in 2021. (see my thread starts)
Up from 2/3 in 2016. (another thread sytart)

The biggest adder of renewables last year (by TRIPLE) was King oil TEXAS. (another of my OPs)

You are a totally uninterested party and RW Hack. You are even blind to the board you ostensible moderate.

All this info is obtainable in minutes using google.

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how you figure, one of your tag alongs in here says it cost 11,000 dollars to buy and install a system in one home. At a 140 dollar a month charge for us with electricity from a co-op, divide that 140 dollar number into 11,000 dollars and it takes almost 7 years to pay for it. How is that free exactly?

 

[Meister]

You should have ready any number of many of my threads but you're not really interested in the topic, just a Right Wing politico/HACK.

Solar has gotten 80-90% more efficient /cheaper in the last decade+ and is now the cheapest producer of electric in large favorable settings.
That and lower interest rates offset the front-loaded cost of Renewables. (vs the ongoing cost of Fossil fuels).

85% of money spent on power generation was spent on renewables in 2021. (see my thread starts)
Up from 2/3 in 2016. (another thread start)

The biggest adder of renewables last year (by TRIPLE) was King-oil TEXAS. (another of my OPs)

You are a totally uninterested party and RW Hack. You are even blind to the board you ostensible moderate.

All this info is obtainable in minutes using google.

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I'm just uninterested in you, abu. You just seem to be a goofball full of yourself.
I imagine most on this board feel the same way about you.

All I did was ask if the panels paid for themselves or if they wore out like they did a few years ago.
I also asked if China is still the biggest producer and importer of the panels, or if we
have increased to where we don't need China.

But you trying to promote your BS threads to me is a fools errand. Go annoy someone who cares.