How do Socialist lower the Unemployment Rate - Ask the French Grand Wizard!

[GHook93]

By cooking the books silly! You can't grow the economy and get people jobs through far leftist ideology that Francois Hollande (and Obama) jerks off to. Rather all you can do is cook the books, fool the uninformed masses that are dependent on freebies and allow the country to slowly sink!

Analysis: How France's Hollande plans to win his bet on jobs

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

You can't grow the economy and get people jobs through far leftist ideology

or even moderate left ideology. Taxing is merely taking money away from those who know how to be productive and earn it and giving to those who don't. Its the perfect formula for economic decline.

 

[Auteur]

Numbers can often require a closer look. Overall, the quality of life in France is quite high compared to the US.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/12/les-not-so-miserables/

As for taxes subtracting from the "productive" individuals in society, we only have to look at the meltdown of '08 to see what a low tax, low regulation regime can do, and it ain't pretty.

 

[Saigon]

It's always wonderful when an OP talks about the "uninformed" while making multiple basic language errors.

I don't support Hollande myself, but the fact remains that France is doing no worse than many countries with Conservative governments - Germany, the UK and Finland amongst them.

 

[Saigon]

What Hook forgot to tell us:

Unemployment rates:

France 11%

EU average: 11.1%

Greece: 27.4%

Spain 27.2%

Croatia 21.6%

Portugal 17.7%

Ireland 13.6%

Italy 12.0%

List of countries by unemployment rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So in light of this, Hook, why not edit your thread into something that does more than confirm that you are illiterate and uninformed?

Start by listing the Conservative governments who are doing worse than France!

 

[jasonnfree]

By cooking the books silly! You can't grow the economy and get people jobs through far leftist ideology that Francois Hollande (and Obama) jerks off to. Rather all you can do is cook the books, fool the uninformed masses that are dependent on freebies and allow the country to slowly sink!

Analysis: How France's Hollande plans to win his bet on jobs[/QUOTE


I don't see Obama as far leftist or even moderate left at all if you look at his record and the people he appoints to power. The extremely wealthy and large corporations have been doing very well with him as president and if Obama were a threat to big money he wouldn't have had their support to run for president two times.

 

[GHook93]

It's always wonderful when an OP talks about the "uninformed" while making multiple basic language errors.

I don't support Hollande myself, but the fact remains that France is doing no worse than many countries with Conservative governments - Germany, the UK and Finland amongst them.

You have to be kidding! Germany is one of the elite economies in the world. A net exporter, high quality of life, good healthcare, high wages and a balanced budget. They do have issues with unemployment (but then again they have a large muslim immigrant population that doesn't like to work). They are the shining light in Europe. The UK and Finland are doing 100 fold better than France. France has some serious issues. Heck many Eastern European countries are doing better. If France remains on their current path they will become a 3rd world nation!

The socialist in charge aren't going to fix it, but I will admit that the socialism push isn't their only problem (or largest). Rather their greatest concern is the large legal and illegal muslim population that is constantly billigerent, refuses to work, takes a ton more from the welfare state then they give back and openly oppose the government and seek sharia law!

 

[Saigon]

The UK and Finland are doing 100 fold better than France.

In what sense?

Unemployment? GDP per capita? Growth?

Let's see the evidence.

btw. France has a similar proportion of immigrants to Germany, the UK, Holland and Austria. Thus they are not a factor in employment stats.

 

[GHook93]

By cooking the books silly! You can't grow the economy and get people jobs through far leftist ideology that Francois Hollande (and Obama) jerks off to. Rather all you can do is cook the books, fool the uninformed masses that are dependent on freebies and allow the country to slowly sink!

Analysis: How France's Hollande plans to win his bet on jobs[/QUOTE


I don't see Obama as far leftist or even moderate left at all if you look at his record and the people he appoints to power. The extremely wealthy and large corporations have been doing very well with him as president and if Obama were a threat to big money he wouldn't have had their support to run for president two times.

That is usually the effect of over-regulation and the socialist push. Let me explain to you in simple terms. When the government pushes a large expensive regulation onto the business world. The large corps bitch and complain about them, but they have the resources, legal team and cash to adjust and push on the cost to the consumer. The mom and pop small businesses, do not have the resources, cash and have to go to outside EXPENSIVE counsel to comply and adjust to the law. Many can't do it, most get put at a significant disadvantage. In the end, many of the small businesses can't compete and die out. The large corps adjust and push the cost off and then even have to deal with less competition.

This is why large corps have done so well under Obama (and Bush - don't forget he was a regulation hawk also).

Over-regulations then hurts the workers (not the executives). The large corps finally get the 'business' incentive to move more jobs and operations over-seas. The small corps must layoff workers, lower wages, demand more from current staff and reduce or eliminate benefits.

We are seeing this now with Obamacare. The big business complain about the cost, but they will push that cost off. Many in the restaurant and retail industry are adjusting by lowering wages and moving their staff to part-time.

The small business (50-500 employees) are struggling with this also.

 

[AmazonTania]

Numbers can often require a closer look. Overall, the quality of life in France is quite high compared to the US.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/12/les-not-so-miserables/

As for taxes subtracting from the "productive" individuals in society, we only have to look at the meltdown of '08 to see what a low tax, low regulation regime can do, and it ain't pretty.

America has never been a low tax, low regulation regime, ever. I don't know why you are still content in pedaling this lie.

If you think the quality of life is higher in France, then you have very low standards for yourself.

 

[AmazonTania]

What Hook forgot to tell us:

Unemployment rates:

France 11%

EU average: 11.1%

Greece: 27.4%

Spain 27.2%

Croatia 21.6%

Portugal 17.7%

Ireland 13.6%

Italy 12.0%

List of countries by unemployment rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So in light of this, Hook, why not edit your thread into something that does more than confirm that you are illiterate and uninformed?

Start by listing the Conservative governments who are doing worse than France!

France unemployment rate is mostly attributed to the amount of people who leave the labor force. This is mostly due to the youth in the country who desperately want jobs, but simply cannot obtain them due to French Labour laws. Due to all of these regulations, heightened job securities, over-generous benefits, lengthy severance pays, mandatory vacations, no employer wants to take a chance on hiring someone who is inexperienced. It's almost virtually impossible to fire someone once you have hired them. You'd probably have to do nothing short of kill someone to actually be fired in France. The Youth unemployment rate is 25.4%, which is higher than the EU-27 average. Is this the economic model you want to follow?

Also, Ireland is really the only country you have listed which is actually doing well (better, rather). Where as their unemployment is actually decreasing, French unemployment is actually increasing. It was at 9.5% less than a year and a half ago. Now it's at 11% and you honestly believe this is a good thing?

 

[Rshermr]

Conservatives do not like France. What else is new. Pretty much all of the quality of life studies say the french are better off. But conservative opinion believes it knows better. Damn liberal studies. Much more rational to read the stuff from the right wing web sites. Easier to get your talking points.

 

[Saigon]

Also, Ireland is really the only country you have listed which is actually doing well (better, rather). Where as their unemployment is actually decreasing, French unemployment is actually increasing. It was at 9.5% less than a year and a half ago. Now it's at 11% and you honestly believe this is a good thing?

I don't think any country in Europe can say that their unemployment rate is fine - it isn't.

France's unemployment rate is, asthe figures show, average within the EU.

I don't support Hollande myself, but the childish demonising of aleft-wing governmenr over unemployment makes no sense when the unemployment rate is higher in some neighbouring countries with right-wing government.

Ireland is basket case, btw.

 

[Rshermr]

What Hook forgot to tell us:

Unemployment rates:

France 11%

EU average: 11.1%

Greece: 27.4%

Spain 27.2%

Croatia 21.6%

Portugal 17.7%

Ireland 13.6%

Italy 12.0%

List of countries by unemployment rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So in light of this, Hook, why not edit your thread into something that does more than confirm that you are illiterate and uninformed?

Start by listing the Conservative governments who are doing worse than France!

Simple. He has a hard time seeing. And since he can not see, he can not edit anything. And since he LIKES having his head firmly inserted up his ass, there is little likelihood that he will be able to see anything.

 

[Rshermr]

By cooking the books silly! You can't grow the economy and get people jobs through far leftist ideology that Francois Hollande (and Obama) jerks off to. Rather all you can do is cook the books, fool the uninformed masses that are dependent on freebies and allow the country to slowly sink!

Analysis: How France's Hollande plans to win his bet on jobs[/QUOTE


I don't see Obama as far leftist or even moderate left at all if you look at his record and the people he appoints to power. The extremely wealthy and large corporations have been doing very well with him as president and if Obama were a threat to big money he wouldn't have had their support to run for president two times.

Yup. But that would be if you actually used your mind, instead of posting conservative dogma. Most cons can not tell you what socialism is without going to google to look up the definition. funny.

 

[Rshermr]

Numbers can often require a closer look. Overall, the quality of life in France is quite high compared to the US.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/12/les-not-so-miserables/

As for taxes subtracting from the "productive" individuals in society, we only have to look at the meltdown of '08 to see what a low tax, low regulation regime can do, and it ain't pretty.

America has never been a low tax, low regulation regime, ever. I don't know why you are still content in pedaling this lie.

If you think the quality of life is higher in France, then you have very low standards for yourself.

So, Another stupid statement, Amazon:

America has never been a low tax, low regulation regime, ever. I don't know why you are still content in pedaling this lie.

First, you suffer the ignorance of not understanding that the only tax rate that matters is the tax rate that is PAID. After all deductions. And in that case, should you care to check, the us is not that high nationally. Yup, we have a high published tax rate, but we also have the highest deductions of any industrialized country.
Then, what is never, Amazon. That would seem to be in HISTORY. Back to the formation of the union. But we do not have to go that far:
"In 1913, the top tax bracket was 7 percent on all income over $500,000 ($11 million in today’s dollars1); and the lowest tax bracket was 1 percent."
Uh, do you think that is low???

Maybe you believe a published rate of 25% for the highest earners would be low enough. Lets see:
"After the war, federal income tax rates took on the steam of the roaring 1920s, dropping to 25 percent from 1925 through 1931."
Now, that nice low rate was great for cons back then, and led to great increases in wealth for the wealthy. And the GREAT REPUBLICAN DEPRESSION. And I know you would like to try that again. The depression started in 1929. And still, repubs in control kept those nice low rates and allowed the economy to self correct. Standard con dogma. And watched the ue rate go from 3% to over 20%. Yea. We should really try that again.
http://bradfordtaxinstitute.com/Free_Resources/Federal-Income-Tax-Rates.aspx

Now, what is it. Because I know you would never, ever admit that you are wrong. Though you obviously are.
The real question is, why do you make statements like this. Why make a blanket statement that you can not support?? Why make a statement that is provably untrue?? Your agenda is showing.

 

[GHook93]

Numbers can often require a closer look. Overall, the quality of life in France is quite high compared to the US.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/12/les-not-so-miserables/

As for taxes subtracting from the "productive" individuals in society, we only have to look at the meltdown of '08 to see what a low tax, low regulation regime can do, and it ain't pretty.

America has never been a low tax, low regulation regime, ever. I don't know why you are still content in pedaling this lie.

If you think the quality of life is higher in France, then you have very low standards for yourself.

Wow completely ignorant comment. We used to get most out revenue from the tax on imports (that dirty word tarriffs). That changed during the 'Great Society' era. Income, corporate and later capital gains, estate and other taxes were introduced. Regulation used to be 10 pages and sometimes 20 and rarely over that. The reasoning was people and legislators could read it THEMSELVES in one seating the be know what they were voting on. Now-a-days, the legislators PURPOSEFULLY make the laws 1000s of pages, so (1) They can fill it with special interest needs that have NOTHING to do with the bill, (2) Fill it with Pork to make profits for themselves and their friends and (3) Make them so long no one, including the legislators or their staff reads the bill.

A standard should be set that bill should have a goal for <10 pages and shouldn't go over 20 pages and there should be a good reason to go over 20, but shall be automatically vetoed if over 50 pages. There is no reason to go over 50 pages and if it needs to then there should be separate bills!

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Numbers can often require a closer look. Overall, the quality of life in France is quite high compared to the US.

I've been to Europe many times. Have you?

 

[Rshermr]

Numbers can often require a closer look. Overall, the quality of life in France is quite high compared to the US.

I've been to Europe many times. Have you?

I have. Is this a contest??

 

[AmazonTania]

Numbers can often require a closer look. Overall, the quality of life in France is quite high compared to the US.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/12/les-not-so-miserables/

As for taxes subtracting from the "productive" individuals in society, we only have to look at the meltdown of '08 to see what a low tax, low regulation regime can do, and it ain't pretty.

America has never been a low tax, low regulation regime, ever. I don't know why you are still content in pedaling this lie.

If you think the quality of life is higher in France, then you have very low standards for yourself.

So, Another stupid statement, Amazon:

America has never been a low tax, low regulation regime, ever. I don't know why you are still content in pedaling this lie.

First, you suffer the ignorance of not understanding that the only tax rate that matters is the tax rate that is PAID. After all deductions. And in that case, should you care to check, the us is not that high nationally. Yup, we have a high published tax rate, but we also have the highest deductions of any industrialized country.
Then, what is never, Amazon. That would seem to be in HISTORY. Back to the formation of the union. But we do not have to go that far:
"In 1913, the top tax bracket was 7 percent on all income over $500,000 ($11 million in today&#8217;s dollars1); and the lowest tax bracket was 1 percent."
Uh, do you think that is low???

Maybe you believe a published rate of 25% for the highest earners would be low enough. Lets see:
"After the war, federal income tax rates took on the steam of the roaring 1920s, dropping to 25 percent from 1925 through 1931."
Now, that nice low rate was great for cons back then, and led to great increases in wealth for the wealthy. And the GREAT REPUBLICAN DEPRESSION. And I know you would like to try that again. The depression started in 1929. And still, repubs in control kept those nice low rates and allowed the economy to self correct. Standard con dogma. And watched the ue rate go from 3% to over 20%. Yea. We should really try that again.
History of Federal Income Tax Rates: 1913 ? 2011

Now, what is it. Because I know you would never, ever admit that you are wrong. Though you obviously are.
The real question is, why do you make statements like this. Why make a blanket statement that you can not support?? Why make a statement that is provably untrue?? Your agenda is showing.

Yeah, everyone knows the only type of taxes Americans have ever paid were federal income taxes. For sure.