How can we be sure Judaism's holy sites will be safe?

[Sweet_Caroline]

How can we be sure Judaism's holy sites will be safe if Israel gives away the 'West Bank' commonly known as Judea and Samaria, to the Palestinians for their new State?

Well, can we be sure?


Kever Yosef the burial place of the Biblical patriarch Joseph is located in the city of Shechem in the Shomron.

It is traditionally considered to be the burial place of the Biblical patriarch Joseph. Joseph's body was taken from Egypt during the Exodus and later reinterred in Shechem in the specific spot purchased legally by Jacob.

According to tradition, Joseph's sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, are also buried at the site.

Israel first gained control of the tomb in 1967, following the Six-Day War and from the mid-1980s a the Od Yosef Chai yeshiva operated at the site.

In 1995, the city was given over to Palestinian National Authority jurisdiction, however Israeli troops continued to control the site, to ensure free access to students and pilgrims in accordance with the Oslo accords.

During the Western Wall Tunnel riots in 1996, the tomb was attacked and six Israeli soldiers were killed.

In October 2000, the shrine became a target of armed militant demonstrators.

Seventeen Palestinians and one Israeli soldier were killed in fighting around the tomb.

On October 7, 2000 the Israeli army withdrew from the site leaving it in the hands of the Arab mobs.

Soon afterward, the holy tomb and army post were ransacked (the outpost and yeshiva were destroyed in this deliberate attack on a site sacred to Jews); the Palestinian police allowed the ransacking to go ahead without intervention.

The Arabs then painted the exterior of the shrine's dome green (the color of Islam), with intention to turn the site into a mosque.

After some world outcry, the dome was repainted a neutral color but left in ruins.


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[Sunni Man]

Just return the stolen land back to the Palestinian people and the problem will be solved. ..

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Just return the stolen land back to the Palestinian people and the problem will be solved. ..

What "problem" do you mean?

 

[Sunni Man]

Just return the stolen land back to the Palestinian people and the problem will be solved. ..

What "problem" do you mean?

The alleged problem you are whining about in the OP. ..

 

[Kondor3]

Complete the process of annexing Rump-Palestine (what slivers of land remain in the West Bank and Gaza), expel the Palestinians by scattering them between Lebanon and Jordan and Syria and Egypt and Iraq and Turkey, and move Jews into the vacuum, to consolidate and round-out those gains, as the final borders of Israel are firmed-up.

The UN Partition Plan of 1947 (below) was asinine to begin with; an insane crazy-quilt patchwork of enclaves that could not be sustained over time.

...the League of Nations Partition Plan of 1922 (below) made much more sense, from the perspective of nation-viability and defensible borders, and, of course, it is, most likely, the plan most favored by Israelis...

...and, using the Palestinians own propaganda maps (below), it would appear that the 1922 Proposal is close to reality...

When the 1922 Proposal Map and Reality intersect, the Jewish holy places will be safe.

 

[Jroc]

No deals with people who want you dead that's my opinion..who do we negotiate with? Fatah or Hamas? maybe the "Palestinians" should negotiate with themselves..Keep the savages out of the loop

 

[Billo_Really]

How can we be sure Judaism's holy sites will be safe if Israel gives away the 'West Bank' commonly known as Judea and Samaria, to the Palestinians for their new State?

You can't give something you don't have.

The West Bank is not Israel's to give.

The West Bank is land the Israeli's need to get the hell off of.

 

[Billo_Really]

No deals with people who want you dead that's my opinion..who do we negotiate with? Fatah or Hamas? maybe the "Palestinians" should negotiate with themselves..Keep the savages out of the loop

There's nothing to negotiate.

Israel needs to end the occupation and get their ass back past the Green Line.

 

[Kondor3]

How can we be sure Judaism's holy sites will be safe if Israel gives away the 'West Bank' commonly known as Judea and Samaria, to the Palestinians for their new State?

You can't give something you don't have.

The West Bank is not Israel's to give.

The West Bank is land the Israeli's need to get the hell off of.

Nope.

They're nearly done, re-acquiring (annexing) those old lands of theirs (see maps).

Rump-Palestine is nearly invisible now - confined to a few slivers and scraps of land - and that won't last long.

The League of Nations Mandate vision of 1922 is almost a reality.

No stopping it now.

The two-minute end-of-game clock is running down... tick, tick, tick.

 

[sealadaigh]

How can we be sure Judaism's holy sites will be safe if Israel gives away the 'West Bank' commonly known as Judea and Samaria, to the Palestinians for their new State?

You can't give something you don't have.

The West Bank is not Israel's to give.

The West Bank is land the Israeli's need to get the hell off of.

Nope.

They're nearly done, re-acquiring (annexing) those old lands of theirs (see maps).

Rump-Palestine is nearly invisible now - confined to a few slivers and scraps of land - and that won't last long.

The League of Nations Mandate vision of 1922 is almost a reality.

No stopping it now.

The two-minute end-of-game clock is running down... tick, tick, tick.

there will be a very steep price jews will pay for such an israeli "victory".

 

[Kondor3]

"...there will be a very steep price jews will pay for such an israeli 'victory'."

Doubtful.

Especially if they start paying people - and paying them well - to move away - which they will. And to help with the logistics and resettling. And they'll get plenty of 'takers'.

I'm not a Jew, and, therefore, not a stakeholder, nor will I be one of those with his-or-her ass on the line, when the shit hits the fan, so, it's easy to speculate, from the cheap-seat sidelines.

But it seems to me that possession of all of Israel, and all of Jerusalem, are worth a very high price, indeed, in blood and/or treasure - after being separated from the Holy Land for nearly two millenia, and with no place else to go, as a People.

Imagine the determination of a scattered People whose songs and prayers have ended with "Next year in Jerusalem" for the better part of 2,000 years !!!

And now they're the most powerful military force in the region, a mere 65 years after the resurrection of their country.

Not bad, for a People who have had 6,000,000 of their innocent men, women and children slaughtered, within living memory; an impact well beyond your imagination, and mine.

What is it they say? "Never again!" ?

My guess is... they're up to the challenge.

 

[Jroc]

You can't give something you don't have.

The West Bank is not Israel's to give.

The West Bank is land the Israeli's need to get the hell off of.

Nope.

They're nearly done, re-acquiring (annexing) those old lands of theirs (see maps).

Rump-Palestine is nearly invisible now - confined to a few slivers and scraps of land - and that won't last long.

The League of Nations Mandate vision of 1922 is almost a reality.

No stopping it now.

The two-minute end-of-game clock is running down... tick, tick, tick.

there will be a very steep price jews will pay for such an israeli "victory".

Notice he said Jews in general..he let it slip this time

 

[Kondor3]

"...Notice he said Jews in general..he let it slip this time"

I'm sure that pro-Palestinian types and your random Jew-haters are hoping that there will be a worldwide and extreme anti-Jew reaction to the completion of the Annexation Process.

Ain't gonna happen, but folks are entitled to fantasize as they like; let 'em; keeps 'em from interfering with Reality.

 

[sealadaigh]

Nope.

They're nearly done, re-acquiring (annexing) those old lands of theirs (see maps).

Rump-Palestine is nearly invisible now - confined to a few slivers and scraps of land - and that won't last long.

The League of Nations Mandate vision of 1922 is almost a reality.

No stopping it now.

The two-minute end-of-game clock is running down... tick, tick, tick.

there will be a very steep price jews will pay for such an israeli "victory".

Notice he said Jews in general..he let it slip this time

i didn't let anything slip. i said "jews" very deliberately.

there already is a backlash against jews all over the world because of israeli intransigence and belligerance. wipe out the palestinians and you wipe out yourselves...not just israelis but jews.

your children are already leaving you.

 

[sealadaigh]

"...Notice he said Jews in general..he let it slip this time"

I'm sure that pro-Palestinian types and your random Jew-haters are hoping that there will be a worldwide and extreme anti-Jew reaction to the completion of the Annexation Process.

Ain't gonna happen, but folks are entitled to fantasize as they like; let 'em; keeps 'em from interfering with Reality.

it ain't the evening news meteorologists who caused hurricane sandy, nor did they hope for it.

ya don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

the reality is jews are being attacked worldwide because of israeli policies.

 

[Kondor3]

"...the reality is jews are being attacked worldwide because of israeli policies."

A minor hiccup in the grand scheme of things.

That'll taper-off and wither away, in the years following the completion of The Annexation.

A small price to pay, to complete the re-acquisition of the entire Land of Israel, and to secure its Holy Places under its own control once again, I'm sure.

 

[Roudy]

Just return the stolen land back to the Palestinian people and the problem will be solved. ..

Or maybe Palestinians should go back to where they invaded from, Jordan, Egypt and Syria.

 

[Roudy]

"...the reality is jews are being attacked worldwide because of israeli policies."

A minor hiccup in the grand scheme of things.

That'll taper-off and wither away, in the years following the completion of The Annexation.

A small price to pay, to complete the re-acquisition of the entire Land of Israel, and to secure its Holy Places under its own control once again, I'm sure.

The more the Palestinians wait the less land there will be. Pretty soon there isn't going to be anything left to negotiate. Israel will not be uprooting hundreds of thousands of people that have called Judaea and Samaria aka West Bank as off 1948, their home for decades. They have more rights to the land of their ancient ancestors, than the recent Arab invaders who call themselves Palestinians as of 1967.

 

[Roudy]

No deals with people who want you dead that's my opinion..who do we negotiate with? Fatah or Hamas? maybe the "Palestinians" should negotiate with themselves..Keep the savages out of the loop

Negotiating with Hamas is like asking the US to negotiate with Al Queda. Even if they denounce what's in their charter, the desire to destroy Israel, they still can't be trusted. Because in the next paragraph of the charter it says "all peace negotiations are unacceptable. Nothing short of the ultimate destruction of Israel is to be accepted. To that end, any negotiations that will deceive and put the enemy in a weaker position to defend itself against attack, can be temporarily accepted".

 

[Lipush]

Just return the stolen land back to the Palestinian people and the problem will be solved. ..

What "problem" do you mean?

The alleged problem you are whining about in the OP. ..

which "stolen land" do you mean?

67' borders?

Tel Aviv and Hertzliya?

Because radicals like you only have one solution in mind.

Something with the words "Isolated Island" in it.

Or now you've become of of the normals interested in peace?