How Bush/Cheney brought torture to the US

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How George W. Bush and Dick Cheney brought torture to America
The most striking example of this came directly after 9/11, when al Qaeda operative Abu Zubaydah was captured. Since the CIA had zero personnel with experience in interrogation, the FBI was initially brought in. Ali Soufan, a highly experienced interrogator and Muslim who speaks fluent Arabic, took charge of the questioning. He deployed the traditional police model, which focuses on building rapport and a criminal case. Almost immediately, Zubaydah gave up Khalid Sheik Mohammad as a member of al Qaeda.


A man named James Mitchell convinced the Bush brass that he had a better way. The CIA eventually paid his company — co-founded with another psychologist, Bruce Jessen — $81 million. The two had been psychologists in the Air Force, where they oversaw the mock interrogators in the SERE program, which trained Navy SEALs what to do in case they were captured or tortured by the enemy.
Mitchell did not speak Arabic. He had no experience whatsoever in Islamic extremism generally or al Qaeda in particular. And he had never even interrogated anyone. That is who replaced Soufan, who was without question one of the finest al Qaeda specialists in the entire country at the time. That is the level of competence the Bush administration was willing to flush down the toilet to validate its iron belief that non-violent interrogations (soft, weak, liberal) could never work, despite Soufan's proven success.
 
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The second development occurred when the torture bill came due. The Abu Ghraib torture scandal was a colossal stain on Bush's legacy, and by late 2005 much of the administration had turned against the CIA program. Then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice led a push inside the administration to announce an official stop to the program. At a high-level meeting in the White House, everyone but Cheney agreed with Rice, and she seemed to have won. A speech was arranged.
But as happened so often in the Bush administration, Cheney went to Bush personally afterward, and convinced him that Rice was wrong. Rice went to the speech expecting Bush to disavow "enhanced interrogation," but instead he embraced it, and claimed it had produced valuable intelligence (it hadn't).
 
The OP is so gullible that he doesn't even know that he has been brainwashed by the DNC into thinking that the VP was ordering the President what to do.
 
The OP is so gullible that he doesn't even know that he has been brainwashed by the DNC into thinking that the VP was ordering the President what to do.

Oh no....Cheney was just a timid bystander
 
And you ignore president Obama perpetrating a slaughter on thousands of innocent women and children from 25,000 feet.

Hypocrites..
If that indeed is true that the OP here ignores that,he is a sorry disgrace to the human race as is anybody who says Obama is any different than Bush when the facts are overhwhelming he is as much a mass murderer as Bush is the FACT he has contiuned his policys he would reverse.Hypocrite is putting it nicely.
 
Abu Ghraib, you call that torture? What a friggin' idiot. College kids do worse things to each other. The OP wreaks of desperation and recycled propaganda.
 
Well, it may have been a mistake for W to determine that we would treat terrorism as a war rather than a crime, but it was a mistake to then ignore military law in prosecuting a war on terror
 
And you ignore president Obama perpetrating a slaughter on thousands of innocent women and children from 25,000 feet.

Hypocrites..
If that indeed is true that the OP here ignores that,he is a sorry disgrace to the human race as is anybody who says Obama is any different than Bush when the facts are overhwhelming he is as much a mass murderer as Bush is the FACT he has contiuned his policys he would reverse.Hypocrite is putting it nicely.

Drones are a military attack against a known enemy. No different than bombing runs or mortar attacks

Torture is a human rights violation against someone who has already surrendered and is in your control

Not the same
 
Abu Ghraib, you call that torture? What a friggin' idiot. College kids do worse things to each other. The OP wreaks of desperation and recycled propaganda.
I dunno Dude. I was running on a treadmill next to a retired marine when von rummy came on the tv trying to explain away abu ghraib, and I started chuckling, and the marine looked over and said "I'd like to know what you think is funny about this?" So, I said "I think it's a bad joke they put that guy in charge of the military." I get along pretty good with the marine.
 
And you ignore president Obama perpetrating a slaughter on thousands of innocent women and children from 25,000 feet.

Hypocrites..
If that indeed is true that the OP here ignores that,he is a sorry disgrace to the human race as is anybody who says Obama is any different than Bush when the facts are overhwhelming he is as much a mass murderer as Bush is the FACT he has contiuned his policys he would reverse.Hypocrite is putting it nicely.

Drones are a military attack against a known enemy. No different than bombing runs or mortar attacks

Torture is a human rights violation against someone who has already surrendered and is in your control

Not the same
Yes, but I don't think abu ghaib was torture. Torture implies you are trying to extract info or get a prisoner to do something specific. The Americans involved were simply criminal sociopaths.
 
Bybee & Yoo should be water boarded along w/ Cheney. Any Rightist here not know who those first two are?

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The OP is so gullible that he doesn't even know that he has been brainwashed by the DNC into thinking that the VP was ordering the President what to do.

Oh no....Cheney was just a timid bystander

I heard he could only control President Bush when he was wearing that Dark Helmet, er, um, I mean the Darth Vadar suit.
There are some funny jokes about the Hill and Bill relationship, but as weird as that is, it doesn't have hair on back of neck curling fear factor of the Bloody Dwarf and boy warrior king.
 
And you ignore president Obama perpetrating a slaughter on thousands of innocent women and children from 25,000 feet.

Hypocrites..
If that indeed is true that the OP here ignores that,he is a sorry disgrace to the human race as is anybody who says Obama is any different than Bush when the facts are overhwhelming he is as much a mass murderer as Bush is the FACT he has contiuned his policys he would reverse.Hypocrite is putting it nicely.

Drones are a military attack against a known enemy. No different than bombing runs or mortar attacks

Torture is a human rights violation against someone who has already surrendered and is in your control

Not the same
Yes, but I don't think abu ghaib was torture. Torture implies you are trying to extract info or get a prisoner to do something specific. The Americans involved were simply criminal sociopaths.

Torture is still torture

Your motivation does not change that
 

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