How 'bout them grants?

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    Particularly given our financial state right now - and everybody expected to tighten their belts - how do you feel about all these grants that are given for rediculous reasons?

    Do we really need a study to determine the standard size of a watermelon? Noooo - you buy a watermelon, cool it, cut it and eat the damned thing.

    Do we really need a study to determine the sexual preferences of the DooWoppy caterpillar? Who cares?

    I understand grants for medical research, but I think we could do without some of the assinine studys that people want to do (apparently because they have nothing else to do). Why can't Congress just put a clamp down on all these grants? How much money could the government save in a year's time to help cut down on expenses?
     
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    So, your suggestion for tightening our belts is further weakening the ability of this country to innovate?

    If it wasn't for government grants that sounded stupid, we wouldn't have the internet, flat screen TVs, or nearly any prescription drug on the market.
     
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    Post hoc ergo propter hoc to the absurd extreme.
     
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    I would like a grant to investigate how long it takes an ice cube to melt in a glass of Jack Daniels. This would be important research and help us design better ice cubes.
     
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    History of the Internet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    On the subject of LED TVs - The science is confusing (even to me) - but it was discovered by my Grandfather, working on a government grant at NYU.

    Organic LED - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    And I don't even need to go into the ridiculous amount of money the government funnels into pharmaceutical research.
     
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    None of which proves that such innovations wouldn't have been made in the absence of gubmint funding.
     
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    True. But NOTHING could prove that they would have been made in the absence of government funding. We'll never know what would have happened - it's a quite a debate cop-out.
     
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    It's not a cop out on my part...It's the invocation of flawed logic on your part.

    I'm not the one who invoked the post hoc ergo propter hoc argument...You were.
     
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    Ok, you're right.

    I'll rephrase my statement to remove the logical fallacy - The internet was created because the government funded ARPA, which then created the internet.
     
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    Post hoc ergo propter hoc applies here because your basic claim is that the inventions wouldn't even exist, were it not for gubmint involvement.

    A claim which cannot be proven because we cannot turn back the clock.
     

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