How about a real discussion on politics?

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  1. Clay Buster
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    I've been a member of this discussion board for exactly one day and I joined in the hopes that I would find intelligent discussion of political issues which I don't seem to find on my "Roll Tide" message board or my favorite "Clay Shooting" message board. :eusa_angel:

    I have yet to find those discussions. Maybe they are here and if I wade through enough disinformation threads from both parties I can find those gems, but they are not readily apparent.

    So with that said I am starting this thread in the hopes that we can have some of those discussions. There is not much time before the general election but there is enough time to fully inform ourselves on the candidates and the platforms which they are running on.

    I know most of you would like to know the ACTUAL positions of these candidates and not the junk being spewed by Dem and Repub hacks.

    So I encourage you to post any question you may have on a major issue our country is facing and let's flesh out these candidates and what they believe.

    Just remember folks:

    The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. - F. Scott Fitzgerald

    So, let's start with some real numbers on McCain's and Obama's income tax plan since I noticed a great deal of wrong information on this board.

    I pulled this information from the CNN Money section.

    .......................................MCCAIN.................OBAMA
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    Income.............................Avg. tax bill............Avg. tax bill
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    Over $2.9M.......................-$269,364................+$701,885
    $603K and up....................-$45,361..................+$115,974
    $227K-$603K.....................-$7,871...................+$12
    $161K-$227K.....................-$4,380....................-$2,789
    $112K-$161K.....................-$2,614....................-$2,204
    $66K-$112K.......................-$1,009....................-$1,290
    $38K-$66K.........................-$319......................-$1,042
    $19K-$38K.........................-$113......................-$892
    Under $19K........................-$19.......................-$567

    It looks like McCain will give the biggest tax breaks for those making $200,000 or higher.

    Obama looks like he is sticking it to the wealthy, but his claims of making HUGE tax cuts for the middle class don't appear to be as large as some make out.

    Thoughts?
     
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    Are those numbers relative to taxes we pay today or are they relative to no tax? In other words, is McCain really talking about less taxation across the board, and if so, does this mean that Bush has been taxing us too heavily?
     
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    They are relative to taxes we pay today.

    Any number that has a minus symbol in front of it (-) or a plus symbol (+), means your income tax, relative to your salary, will decrease or increase accordingly.

    So to answer your question, yes, McCain is suggesting tax decreases across the board with the majority of them being for the higher incomes.

    As to Bush taxing us too heavily, aren't we always taxed too much?! :lol:
     
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    What is the projected deficit under McCain's plan? Say, with the wars continuing one year, five years, etc. Does he promise a balanced budget, etc.
     
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    read my lips..there will be no tax cuts..how can we have tax cuts and spend the money we are spending on war, etc etc....dont be fooled...we will be taxed by either candidate.
     
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    Cut wasteful spending for starters.
     
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    many states have stayed afloat by doing away with programs that were needed at one time but had outlived their use....you think we could do away with the entire administration....

    seriously....we either pay taxes now or let our grandkids pay out the nose later...and its the fault of people like me...baby boomers...we have gotten as much for ourselves as we can....and we continue to make our demands...after all we are the "baby boomers".
     
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    I don't mind a little taxation. We spent our Bush Tax Cut check on a new lamp. A really really nice one. The old one worked just fine but boy the new one is pretty.

    Frankly, I expect taxation. To make an analogy, I expect everyone in my family to pitch in to keep the household running. How's the bible verse? From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs? Something like that? I always thought the kids should pitch in with chores, even though it means less lazy time for them. I do the bulk of the housework, hubby does the bulk of the hubby work (he fixed the computer today, for example) and the kids do some work aroudn the house because we expect them to be contributing members of society.

    The mentality of "all tax breaks all the time" just seems very short sighted. How the hell do you expect to pay for stuff? Defer payment? That means borrow it. How much do we owe china?

    We borrowed money from china to put out the stimulus checks that people used to buy goods at Walmart that were made in China. China is lauighing all the way to the bank.

    How is this patriotic?
     
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    How about we through this into the mix?

    -snipped from the article-

    One Simple Rate - WSJ.com

    I think we had this discussion before, when I first joined the group .... but thought I would add this to this thread. Just curious what you think about it?
     
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    Clay Buster wrote:
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    It looks like McCain will give the biggest tax breaks for those making $200,000 or higher.

    Obama looks like he is sticking it to the wealthy, but his claims of making HUGE tax cuts for the middle class don't appear to be as large as some make out.
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    If you are going to talk politics, you would do well to examine into the Constitution drawn up by Representatives from the several States. Right out of the box, the President of the United States does not give "tax breaks", nor does he make "HUGE tax cuts". The federal taxing authority was granted to the Congress. So, your opening discussion is a null, at best; and anyone who would argue the point with you is "tilting at windmills".



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