How A Doctor's Hatred of Insurance Companies Brought Down The GOP

[Moonglow]

Is there one damn issue that can be discussed without bringing in the elections?

There are 68 forums on this board. 47 of them don't involve politics of any kind.

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[OKTexas]

Rand Paul is a doctor with a bitter hatred of insurance companies. He spent his life fighting with them. He just said in open interview that he stopped the GOP Healthcare bill because it would have subsidized insurance companies with a bailout of billions of dollars when they already make billions, they don't deserve any more in his opinion, and he will have nothing of it.

To him, it did not matter that the GOP bill resolved many glaring problems with Obamacare, such as the mandates and many other things. The bailout was necessary to offset insurance company loses that was forcing them to drop out, otherwise, these costs would have been passed onto consumers in the form of higher premiums. So the GOP did away with all of the onerous mandates and provisions of Obamacare and many other things and provided a safety net to the insurance companies to make up for the huge loses done them by Obamacare to keep insurance affordable to the consumer creating a much better healthcare system that was much more affordable and stable for years longer giving the GOP time to fix the rest, but instead, that jackass Rand Paul shot the whole thing down for the sole reason of proving his point that he just doesn't like insurance companies.

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Well, that's one way to spin it, maybe you could provide a link so we can see what he said in context and not through your slanted filter.


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[Borillar]

How does the left have the gall to claim that "the GOP was brought down" when democrats lost every important election in the last eight years? It's insane when democrats admit that Obamacare is seriously flawed but yet the democrat party stalls every effort to fix it or do it over and their minions who subscribe to left wing blogs get to blame republicans. The democrat party used to get away with promoting wishful thinking as fact and they still don't realize that Americans are smarter in the age of information and they don't fall for that crap anymore.

LOL! "Americans are smarter in the age of information and they don't fall for that crap anymore." Yet you're stupid enough to fall for Republican's saying they want to "fix" anything. They don't want to fix shit. They had 7 years to come up with a plan but had to cobble together the POS bill at the last minute that just failed even after doing away with the 60 vote thing.Face it. They didn't have a fucking plan. Trump doesn't have a fucking plan. They don't give a fuck if anybody has healthcare or not. Repugs run the government now. If they can't get anything done, it's their own damn fault.

 

[busybee01]

How does the left have the gall to claim that "the GOP was brought down" when democrats lost every important election in the last eight years? It's insane when democrats admit that Obamacare is seriously flawed but yet the democrat party stalls every effort to fix it or do it over and their minions who subscribe to left wing blogs get to blame republicans. The democrat party used to get away with promoting wishful thinking as fact and they still don't realize that Americans are smarter in the age of information and they don't fall for that crap anymore.

Jackass, I'm not the Left, I'm about ten miles to the Right of the GOP! And I'm not saying that Rand Paul brought the GOP down TODAY, when you topple a building, there is a period after the dynamite detonates that the building still stands there unmoving, like it is still fine. The actions of Rand Paul today are going to have ramifications to the GOP in the months ahead.

I predict their effort to repeal Obamacare will FAIL. Idiot GOP bitches are already lining up to oppose it. All of this will dam up Trump's efforts to get his agenda done. Paul Ryan is on record as deliberately not wanting to cooperate with Trump. The Old GOP establishment and the Deep State don't like him.

The democrats are going to parley the GOP's impotence this fall in the 11th hour to wheedle a bunch of negotiations and compromises out of the GOP. The GOP will take all of the heat and blame for these failures as usual and when they allow Schumer in to help save Obamacare, the Democrats will come out of it proclaiming that it took them to get things done, they fixed the mess and saved the people because the GOP are oafs. Trump will be left looking the fool again by the hapless republicans who keep electing RINO's.

This will all parley into a dramatic fall of support for the GOP in the mid-term elections, the GOP will lose control of part or all of the Congress, they can't get anything done anyway even when they have FULL control because of RINOs, and things will just get tougher for Trump bringing him to a 1-term president, followed by another Democratic presidential win after the GOP lets the whole nation down. Again. And all principally because of Rand Paul and a few others today.

You can deflect a million ton asteroid with the knock of a pebble if done right early enough. The GOP just never learns.

The only way this can be stopped is if somehow McConnell The Buffoon can pull a miracle out of his leaderless ass. I really doubt it. Even with them delaying the August recess, they only have something like TWENTY DAYS to resolve healthcare, rewrite the tax laws, do border security and immigration, write a budget for next year to prevent an October shutdown and I think other things. Plus all these investigations and anything else that comes up. Trump works 24 hours a day if he has to, whatever it takes to get it done, but he is shoe-strung by the feckless Republicans who couldn't even beat Obama when he was first an unknown do-nothing senator, then a hapless president whose first term proved one of the costliest, most disastrous and least transparent and dishonest in history. Do you really think the GOP will pull this off now after doing NOTHING these past 6 months?

ALL THE GOP HAD TO DO TO WIN BIG FOR YEARS TO COME WAS FOR ONCE IN THEIR LIFE UNIFY BEHIND A COMMON GOAL TO GET THINGS DONE.

The GOP hasn't done shit. They didn't win the House, WE GAVE IT TO THEM. They didn't win the Senate or the White House, it was all dropped in their lap. They promised us ALL THEY NEEDED was both houses and the White House, then, LOOK OUT!

Well, look at what they've done for Trump. NOTHING. NOT ONE FRICKING THING this year. If you think half the people who stretched their necks out to put all of that in their hands is going to still support them next year, you have another thing coming. This is going to snowball into major loses for the GOP and ultimately, probably even Trump. He can't EO everything.

Trump is hardly working 24 hours a day. He is obliterating Obama's record for playing golf.

If they pass a repeal they will likely lose the House. Voters want it fixed not repealed. The best numbers for repeal are 28% in a Fox poll. Republicans are doing the same thing that Democrats did in passing Obamacare. We should sit down with doctors, insurance companies, Republicans and Democrats to produce a healthcare bill that will help people. Apparently Joe Manchin is reaching out to senators who were former governors which include Republicans, Democrats and independents. In addition, the GOP failed to reach out to moderate Democrat senators. Heidi Heitkamp said she would be willing to sit down and talk. She is concerned that rural areas will be hurt. The GOP wanted to shove something down everybody's throat.

 

[toobfreak]

If they pass a repeal they will likely lose the House. Voters want it fixed not repealed. The best numbers for repeal are 28% in a Fox poll. Republicans are doing the same thing that Democrats did in passing Obamacare. We should sit down with doctors, insurance companies, Republicans and Democrats to produce a healthcare bill that will help people. Apparently Joe Manchin is reaching out to senators who were former governors which include Republicans, Democrats and independents. In addition, the GOP failed to reach out to moderate Democrat senators. Heidi Heitkamp said she would be willing to sit down and talk. She is concerned that rural areas will be hurt. The GOP wanted to shove something down everybody's throat.

The operative word is FAIL. Trump gets it, but neither the democrats really understand why they lost as the GOP doesn't really understand why they won. I will never vote democratic and if the GOP blows this opportunity, I'm done voting for them as well.