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Why is she wearing a slave bracelet around her neck?He actually doesn't have to, I don't think. If I remember correctly from precedent, he can challenge the subpoena on the grounds that it's an overreach of Congressional power. I would prefer that, since it would require Nadler and his comrades to explain, in open court, what reason they have to see sealed evidence in an investigation that concluded that no crime was committed.That was Barr's conclusion, not Mueller's:I would prefer that, since it would require Nadler and his comrades to explain, in open court, what reason they have to see sealed evidence in an investigation that concluded that no crime was committed.
Read the Mueller Report: Searchable Document and Index (Vol II, P.8)
"CONCLUSION
"Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President’s conduct.
"The evidence we obtained about the President’s actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment.
"At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state.
"Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."
Mueller is saying it is up to congress to decide if Trump obstructed justice, and in order to do so, it will need the see the full report.
Really? Where did he say anything about Congress?
Nice try, but Mueller's job was to hand the report in TO BARR, not Congress, which he did. Had Mueller thought he had sufficient evidence that a crime was committed, it would have been his job to indict. Since he didn't indict or even draw a conclusion . . .
It was then BARR'S job to decide if HE thought there was evidence of a crime to prosecute. You can bitch and piss and moan about "It's not fair that Republican Presidents get to appoint Attorneys General and have them actually hold the job just like Democrats do!" all you like, but it's still legally his job. Not Congress's.
So no, Congress doesn't "need to see the full report" to do anything. As much as you want to cling to your dying hope of "getting Trump" by pretending that Mueller's report is FILLED with damning evidence of crimes, and yet miraculously came to the conclusion that there was nothing to prosecute Trump on, IT'S OVER. Ain't there. And there's nothing redacted in that report that Congress needs to see.That would apply to any American who is not the POTUS as far as indictment is concerned.Nice try, but Mueller's job was to hand the report in TO BARR, not Congress, which he did. Had Mueller thought he had sufficient evidence that a crime was committed, it would have been his job to indict. Since he didn't indict or even draw a conclusion . . .
Among Mueller's conclusions was this report that his investigation was unable to conclude "no criminal conduct occurred" on obstruction.
Read the Mueller Report: Searchable Document and Index (Vol II, P.1)
"First, a traditional prosecution or declination decision entails a binary determination to initiate or decline a prosecution, but we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment. The Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) has issued an opinion finding that 'the indictment or criminal prosecution of a sitting President would impermissibly undermine the capacity of the executive branch to perform its constitutionally assigned functions' in violation of the constitutional separation of powers.'
"Given the role of the Special Counsel as an attorney in the Department of Justice and the framework of the Special Counsel regulations, see 28 U.S.C. § 515; 28 C.F.R. § 600.7(a), this Office accepted OLC’s legal conclusion for the purpose of exercising prosecutorial jurisdiction."
"And apart from OLC’s constitutional view, we recognized that a federal criminal accusation against a sitting President would place burdens on the President’s capacity to govern and potentially preempt constitutional processes for addressing presidential misconduct."
Don't go overboard, George.
View attachment 256790Should we let Mad Max decide Trump's fate?Don't go overboard, George.
Rep. Waters: Want Deutsche Bank to volunteer info, but Trump-Russia connections are inevitable
Why is she wearing a slave bracelet around her neck?That was Barr's conclusion, not Mueller's:
Read the Mueller Report: Searchable Document and Index (Vol II, P.8)
"CONCLUSION
"Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President’s conduct.
"The evidence we obtained about the President’s actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment.
"At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state.
"Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."
Mueller is saying it is up to congress to decide if Trump obstructed justice, and in order to do so, it will need the see the full report.
Really? Where did he say anything about Congress?
Nice try, but Mueller's job was to hand the report in TO BARR, not Congress, which he did. Had Mueller thought he had sufficient evidence that a crime was committed, it would have been his job to indict. Since he didn't indict or even draw a conclusion . . .
It was then BARR'S job to decide if HE thought there was evidence of a crime to prosecute. You can bitch and piss and moan about "It's not fair that Republican Presidents get to appoint Attorneys General and have them actually hold the job just like Democrats do!" all you like, but it's still legally his job. Not Congress's.
So no, Congress doesn't "need to see the full report" to do anything. As much as you want to cling to your dying hope of "getting Trump" by pretending that Mueller's report is FILLED with damning evidence of crimes, and yet miraculously came to the conclusion that there was nothing to prosecute Trump on, IT'S OVER. Ain't there. And there's nothing redacted in that report that Congress needs to see.That would apply to any American who is not the POTUS as far as indictment is concerned.Nice try, but Mueller's job was to hand the report in TO BARR, not Congress, which he did. Had Mueller thought he had sufficient evidence that a crime was committed, it would have been his job to indict. Since he didn't indict or even draw a conclusion . . .
Among Mueller's conclusions was this report that his investigation was unable to conclude "no criminal conduct occurred" on obstruction.
Read the Mueller Report: Searchable Document and Index (Vol II, P.1)
"First, a traditional prosecution or declination decision entails a binary determination to initiate or decline a prosecution, but we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment. The Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) has issued an opinion finding that 'the indictment or criminal prosecution of a sitting President would impermissibly undermine the capacity of the executive branch to perform its constitutionally assigned functions' in violation of the constitutional separation of powers.'
"Given the role of the Special Counsel as an attorney in the Department of Justice and the framework of the Special Counsel regulations, see 28 U.S.C. § 515; 28 C.F.R. § 600.7(a), this Office accepted OLC’s legal conclusion for the purpose of exercising prosecutorial jurisdiction."
"And apart from OLC’s constitutional view, we recognized that a federal criminal accusation against a sitting President would place burdens on the President’s capacity to govern and potentially preempt constitutional processes for addressing presidential misconduct."
Don't go overboard, George.
View attachment 256790Should we let Mad Max decide Trump's fate?Don't go overboard, George.
Rep. Waters: Want Deutsche Bank to volunteer info, but Trump-Russia connections are inevitable
Tell Nadler to file articles of impeachment. They can see them right now under impeachment rules. The Dems say it is open and shut case, so why the delay? Give their office a call and ask for the status of an impeachment article. Let us know what they say!
Would love to see that Senate roll Call vote.Tell Nadler to file articles of impeachment. They can see them right now under impeachment rules. The Dems say it is open and shut case, so why the delay? Give their office a call and ask for the status of an impeachment article. Let us know what they say!
Pelosi will not allow it because they can not get a Conviction in the Senate.
The Democrats know this and will play with this until they realize they can not win the 2020 election with it...
This was an executive branch investigation. Not congressional.That was Barr's conclusion, not Mueller's:
Read the Mueller Report: Searchable Document and Index (Vol II, P.8)
"CONCLUSION
"Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President’s conduct.
"The evidence we obtained about the President’s actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment.
"At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state.
"Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."
Mueller is saying it is up to congress to decide if Trump obstructed justice, and in order to do so, it will need the see the full report.
Mueller had nothing to do with Congress.
Barr and Trump were not even obligated to let Congress read it.
Trump has been more transparent than any POTUS, ever.
Clinton repeatedly used Executive privilege and challenged things repeatedly.
Trump gave Mueller every scrap of paper and every interview from everyone that works under Trump.
That is unprecidented transparency.
What about the taxpayers who paid for Mueller's investigation? Are they entitled to read it?This was an executive branch investigation. Not congressional.
Mueller had nothing to do with Congress.
Barr and Trump were not even obligated to let Congress read it.
House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler (D-NY 10) Has Issued Subpoenas For Full And Non-Redacted Special Prosecutor's Report.
April 19 (UPI)--The chairman of the House judiciary committee on Friday subpoenaed the full, non-redacted version of the Justice Department's Russia report, doing so with power the panel received two weeks ago.
The panel authorized subpoena power on April 3 in case the committee sought more information blacked out of the report by special counsel Robert Mueller. Friday, Rep. Jarrold Nadler issued the subpoena for the complete report and underlying documents from the inquiry.
Now, I know you Cons are trying your damnedest to a victory dance over the heavily redacted Mueller Report that little billie barr turned over after briefing his lord and master the Lying Fuck Faced Draft Dodging Coward 45.
I can also hear the full on shit fits you people are having. Mr. Nadler, as Chair of Judiciary Committee is well within the scope and power of his chairman ship to issue such subpoenas. He is also will within his scope and power of his chairman ship to see the full and non-redacted version of the report done by Robert Mueller.
Barr is has no legal standing to deny or ignore the subpoenas being issued.
Any of you dead from the neck up Seig Heil Shouting Goose Stepping GroppenFuhrer followers remember John Mitchell....?
IOW, you really don't GAF about your sacred case law.“House Judiciary Committee Subpoenas Full Non-Redacted Mueller Report”
Good.
The people have the right to know.
House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler (D-NY 10) Has Issued Subpoenas For Full And Non-Redacted Special Prosecutor's Report.
April 19 (UPI)--The chairman of the House judiciary committee on Friday subpoenaed the full, non-redacted version of the Justice Department's Russia report, doing so with power the panel received two weeks ago.
The panel authorized subpoena power on April 3 in case the committee sought more information blacked out of the report by special counsel Robert Mueller. Friday, Rep. Jarrold Nadler issued the subpoena for the complete report and underlying documents from the inquiry.
Now, I know you Cons are trying your damnedest to a victory dance over the heavily redacted Mueller Report that little billie barr turned over after briefing his lord and master the Lying Fuck Faced Draft Dodging Coward 45.
I can also hear the full on shit fits you people are having. Mr. Nadler, as Chair of Judiciary Committee is well within the scope and power of his chairman ship to issue such subpoenas. He is also will within his scope and power of his chairman ship to see the full and non-redacted version of the report done by Robert Mueller.
Barr is has no legal standing to deny or ignore the subpoenas being issued.
Any of you dead from the neck up Seig Heil Shouting Goose Stepping GroppenFuhrer followers remember John Mitchell....?
This was an executive branch investigation. Not congressional.That was Barr's conclusion, not Mueller's:
Read the Mueller Report: Searchable Document and Index (Vol II, P.8)
"CONCLUSION
"Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President’s conduct.
"The evidence we obtained about the President’s actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment.
"At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state.
"Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."
Mueller is saying it is up to congress to decide if Trump obstructed justice, and in order to do so, it will need the see the full report.
Mueller had nothing to do with Congress.
Barr and Trump were not even obligated to let Congress read it.
Trump has been more transparent than any POTUS, ever.
Clinton repeatedly used Executive privilege and challenged things repeatedly.
Trump gave Mueller every scrap of paper and every interview from everyone that works under Trump.
That is unprecidented transparency.What about the taxpayers who paid for Mueller's investigation? Are they entitled to read it?This was an executive branch investigation. Not congressional.
Mueller had nothing to do with Congress.
Barr and Trump were not even obligated to let Congress read it.
"The report indicated that Mueller decided earlier in his investigation that he would not make a specific decision about obstruction charges and would, instead, defer to lawmakers.
"'We determined not to apply an approach that could potentially result in a judgment that the President committed crimes,' the report said.
"Because Justice Department policy holds that a sitting president can't be subject to trial, an accusation of criminal conduct would put a president in limbo, under a cloud, but unable to clear himself, he wrote.
"That problem doesn't apply to congressional proceedings, Mueller wrote, and Congress has full power to judge the president's conduct.
"Even if a president exercised powers that came with his office, 'Congress has authority to prohibit a President's corrupt use of his authority in order to protect the integrity of the administration of justice,' he wrote."
Mueller report suggests Congress should judge whether Trump obstructed justice
Poor Cheesedick Donald is unhinged on Twitter today because Mueller hasent send him a bouquet of flowers yet! He'll have to wait for Hannity to show up with them down in his shitty resort in Florida.Tell Nadler to file articles of impeachment. They can see them right now under impeachment rules. The Dems say it is open and shut case, so why the delay? Give their office a call and ask for the status of an impeachment article. Let us know what they say!
After that it's pajama party time!
This was an executive branch investigation. Not congressional.That was Barr's conclusion, not Mueller's:
Read the Mueller Report: Searchable Document and Index (Vol II, P.8)
"CONCLUSION
"Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President’s conduct.
"The evidence we obtained about the President’s actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment.
"At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state.
"Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."
Mueller is saying it is up to congress to decide if Trump obstructed justice, and in order to do so, it will need the see the full report.
Mueller had nothing to do with Congress.
Barr and Trump were not even obligated to let Congress read it.
Trump has been more transparent than any POTUS, ever.
Clinton repeatedly used Executive privilege and challenged things repeatedly.
Trump gave Mueller every scrap of paper and every interview from everyone that works under Trump.
That is unprecidented transparency.What about the taxpayers who paid for Mueller's investigation? Are they entitled to read it?This was an executive branch investigation. Not congressional.
Mueller had nothing to do with Congress.
Barr and Trump were not even obligated to let Congress read it.
"The report indicated that Mueller decided earlier in his investigation that he would not make a specific decision about obstruction charges and would, instead, defer to lawmakers.
"'We determined not to apply an approach that could potentially result in a judgment that the President committed crimes,' the report said.
"Because Justice Department policy holds that a sitting president can't be subject to trial, an accusation of criminal conduct would put a president in limbo, under a cloud, but unable to clear himself, he wrote.
"That problem doesn't apply to congressional proceedings, Mueller wrote, and Congress has full power to judge the president's conduct.
"Even if a president exercised powers that came with his office, 'Congress has authority to prohibit a President's corrupt use of his authority in order to protect the integrity of the administration of justice,' he wrote."
Mueller report suggests Congress should judge whether Trump obstructed justice
Can't they just delete the report, bleachbit the drives and destroy the devices with a hammer? Seems it would be a lot easier.
Hillary lost, and Bill was impeached, remember?Can't they just delete the report, bleachbit the drives and destroy the devices with a hammer? Seems it would be a lot easier.
Yeah the Obamanation was and is a third string Hitler wannabee but D voters can't figure out how to goosestep
Yeah the Obamanation was and is a third string Hitler wannabee but D voters can't figure out how to goosestep
This was an executive branch investigation. Not congressional.That was Barr's conclusion, not Mueller's:
Read the Mueller Report: Searchable Document and Index (Vol II, P.8)
"CONCLUSION
"Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President’s conduct.
"The evidence we obtained about the President’s actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment.
"At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state.
"Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."
Mueller is saying it is up to congress to decide if Trump obstructed justice, and in order to do so, it will need the see the full report.
Mueller had nothing to do with Congress.
Barr and Trump were not even obligated to let Congress read it.
Trump has been more transparent than any POTUS, ever.
Clinton repeatedly used Executive privilege and challenged things repeatedly.
Trump gave Mueller every scrap of paper and every interview from everyone that works under Trump.
That is unprecidented transparency.No, it's not.Trump gave Mueller every scrap of paper and every interview from everyone that works under Trump.
That is unprecidented transparency.
It's closer to unprecedented criminality. (and cowardice)
Read the Mueller Report: Searchable Document and Index (Vol II. P.13)
"We also sought a voluntary interview with the President. After more than a year of discussion, the President declined to be interviewed...."
"During the course of our discussions, the President did agree to answer written questions on certain Russia-related topics, and he provided us with answers. He did not similarly agree to provide written answers to questions on obstruction topics or questions on events during the transition."
This president was never fit for office, and now House Democrats will make that clear to all but the willfully blind and bigoted.
OMG! They asked for a VOLUNTARY interview, and he didn't volunteer! String him up! Where's the rope?!What's Trump afraid of?OMG! They asked for a VOLUNTARY interview, and he didn't volunteer! String him up! Where's the rope?!
That he can't hide the fact he's a congenital liar?
Five Critical Takeaways From the Mueller Report
"If the president had wanted to cooperate fully with the Mueller probe, he would have consented to an in-person interview with Mueller or members of his team. He refused. As a result, any claim of full cooperation is totally devoid of merit.
"'Beginning in December 2017,' Appendix C notes, the special counsel’s office 'sought for more than a year to interview the President on topics relevant to both Russian-election interference and obstruction-of-justice. We advised counsel that the President was a ‘subject’ of the investigation … [and] [ a]n interview with the President is vital to our investigation. … We additionally stated that ‘it is in the interest of the Presidency and the public for an interview to take place’ and offered numerous accommodations to aid the President’s preparation and avoid surprise.'
"Instead of an interview, Trump agreed only to answer a set of written interrogatories limited to alleged Russian election interference. He declined to answer any questions on obstruction."
