Honest and open debate on gun control

Incorrect. Machine guns that are made today for our military, law enforcement, and security personal can not be sold to civilians.
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Someone did not read the post he responded to.
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929 posts, no sound response.
I don't know who that someone is, but I did read his post.
Oh... so you repeated what he said for no apparent reason.
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936 posts, no sound responses.
Liar.
Please feel free to cite the post that soundly responds to the OP.
You will not because you know you cannot.
 
Again. The tax stamp process is not about reducing or even eliminating crime. That's why it's called gun control. It's about controlling legal access to guns. If it was about crime they would call it crime control. No that's not what it's about. It's about taking your "legal" right to own and use guns away from you.

So this would be the same premises marijuana tax stamps serve??

They worked so well on pot, we got it everywhere now and it's damn near legal .....................
Yeah pretty much.


you're an idiot ................
 
Incorrect. Machine guns that are made today for our military, law enforcement, and security personal can not be sold to civilians.
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Someone did not read the post he responded to.
:lol:
929 posts, no sound response.
I don't know who that someone is, but I did read his post.
Oh... so you repeated what he said for no apparent reason.
:dunno:
936 posts, no sound responses.
Liar.
Please feel free to cite the post that soundly responds to the OP.
You will not because you know you cannot.
Asked and provided dozens of times, and each time, like a coward, you deflected.
 
Again. The tax stamp process is not about reducing or even eliminating crime. That's why it's called gun control. It's about controlling legal access to guns. If it was about crime they would call it crime control. No that's not what it's about. It's about taking your "legal" right to own and use guns away from you.

So this would be the same premises marijuana tax stamps serve??

They worked so well on pot, we got it everywhere now and it's damn near legal .....................
Yeah pretty much.


you're an idiot ................
I see, so according to you agreeing with your point makes me an idiot. Interesting.
 
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Someone did not read the post he responded to.
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929 posts, no sound response.
I don't know who that someone is, but I did read his post.
Oh... so you repeated what he said for no apparent reason.
:dunno:
936 posts, no sound responses.
Liar.
Please feel free to cite the post that soundly responds to the OP.
You will not because you know you cannot.
Asked and provided dozens of times, and each time, like a coward, you deflected.
Thank you for proving me correct.
Please continue to do so at your leisure.
945 posts, no sound responses.
 
I don't know who that someone is, but I did read his post.
Oh... so you repeated what he said for no apparent reason.
:dunno:
936 posts, no sound responses.
Liar.
Please feel free to cite the post that soundly responds to the OP.
You will not because you know you cannot.
Asked and provided dozens of times, and each time, like a coward, you deflected.
Thank you for proving me correct.
Please continue to do so at your leisure.
945 posts, no sound responses.
Yes or no, can you or can you not use a machine gun that does not exist. This is not a hard question. Any rational person could answer this question. Why do you insist on deflecting?
 
908 posts... no sound response.
908 posts... and the OP is still deflecting from the FACT that the tax stamp process has reduced, SIGNIFICANTLY, the number of machine guns available TO THE PUBLIC, thus providing a working solution to the OPs question.
What up Brown, the stamps have cut down on fully automatic weapons available to the general public.
But as I am sure you will agree, the reason machine guns are not used in crimes is NOT because of the tax stamp process. contrary to his claim.


Machine Guns aren't used in crimes??

I'm guessing you didn't Google before you made that statement.

I'm also guessing these guys did not have tax stamps.

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The Brinks Armored Car Shootout


On October 20, 1981, more than 10 members of the Black Liberation Army attacked the two drivers on an armored truck outside a bank at the Nanuet Mall in Nanuet, New York. At 3:55 PM, the drivers were hit by fully automatic M-16 fire, and handgun fire, one dying instantly, and the other surviving, but almost losing his arm. The robbers stole $1.6 million and fled in a van, to a nearby parking lot where they changed to a U-Haul truck.

Police converged on the mall, and a college student called to report the vehicle change, after which, four police officers stopped the U-Haul and another get-away car, and were immediately engaged by the robbers. One suspect, a woman, pretended to be innocent and convinced the police to lower their guard, whereupon, six men jumped out of the back of the U-Haul with M-16s and body armor, and opened fire.

Two officers were killed, the other two wounded. The last officer to keep fighting, Brian Lennon, was unable to exit his car, and fired his shotgun through his windshield at the robbers, attempting to ram him with the U-Haul. They fled the scene, some on foot, some in their second vehicle, others carjacking a civilian.

They were apprehended over the next 6 years, following an extensive investigation, and all received long prison sentences. The Brinks guard who survived, Joe Trombino, died in the WTC, on September 11, 2001.
Top 10 Most Audacious Shootouts in US History - Listverse

The first one that came to mind for me would be LA "

The North Hollywood Shootout


On February 28, 1997, Larry Phillips and Emil Matasareanu attempted to rob the North Hollywood Bank of America. Perhaps inspired by the epic shootout scene in the 1995 film “Heat,” they were extremely heavily armed, with 9mm Berettas; fully automatic AK-47s with drum clips, an HK-91, and an AR-15. They wore homemade body armor of Kevlar sewn around steel trauma plates. They took Phenobarbital to calm their nerves, then walked up to the front door of the bank, put on ski masks and entered at about 9:17 AM. They expected to be in and out within 8 minutes, before police could arrive.

Unfortunately for them, a police cruiser with two officers drove by and saw them put on their masks, and radioed in a possible 211 in progress. The robbers began shooting fully automatic rifle fire into the ceiling, forced the vault open and stole $303,305 in cash. They then forced the 30 or so hostages into the vault, and exited the bank, at 9:38, and initiated the most awe-inspiring hailstorm of domestic violence in United States history.

It lasted for 44 minutes, during which 10 officers and 7 civilians were seriously wounded. The police fired 650 rounds of various small-arms ammunition at the robbers. The robbers fired 1,300 rounds in exchange. They used armor-piercing rounds, which penetrated the officers’ cruisers and vests. The officers, however, could not penetrate the robbers’ armor with their .38 revolvers, 9mms, and 12-ga shotguns.

The robbers shot at a helicopter, which refused to leave, and broadcast the entire battle. Matasareanu entered a white four-door sedan, while Phillips opened the door and retrieved additional drum clips, and continued to fire at officers. The police took cover behind their cars, behind buildings and tollbooths. They were so terribly outgunned that many fled the confrontation to nearby gun stores, and requisitioned AR-15s and M-16s, then returned to the fight.

The robbers were hit hundreds of times but continued shooting unabated. Civilians attempted to flee the area and were shot down indiscriminately. Phillips followed his accomplice down a residential street firing in all directions, until he was hit in the left thumb. His HK-91 jammed, and he dropped it, pulled out his 9mm and returned fire at the officers approaching. His 9mm jammed, and as he cleared it, he placed it under his chin and shot himself dead as an officer shot him.

Matasareanu drove on into the neighborhood. He commandeered a civilian pickup truck and almost fled the scene when the SWAT team arrived. He got out and fired fully automatic rifle fire at them through his own windshield. Some of the SWAT team members were unable to penetrate his armor even with M-16s, with rounds bouncing off, but eventually began wounding him in the torso and arms. They also shot under both cars at his feet. This brought him down, and he died of gunshot wounds before an ambulance could reach him.

Miraculously, not one police officer or civilian died. 19 officers were awarded the Medal of Valor, the police equivalent to the military’s Medal of Honor.
Yes, guns were used; but would these incidents have occurred if those Persons could have simply applied for unemployment compensation that clears our poverty guidelines on an at-will basis so they could be couch potatoes instead of developing a "work ethic" to privateer their way into some money.
 
Oh... so you repeated what he said for no apparent reason.
:dunno:
936 posts, no sound responses.
Liar.
Please feel free to cite the post that soundly responds to the OP.
You will not because you know you cannot.
Asked and provided dozens of times, and each time, like a coward, you deflected.
Thank you for proving me correct.
Please continue to do so at your leisure.
945 posts, no sound responses.
Yes or no, can you or can you not use a machine gun that does not exist. This is not a hard question. Any rational person could answer this question. Why do you insist on deflecting?
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Running away from the truth.
 
Please feel free to cite the post that soundly responds to the OP.
You will not because you know you cannot.
Asked and provided dozens of times, and each time, like a coward, you deflected.
Thank you for proving me correct.
Please continue to do so at your leisure.
945 posts, no sound responses.
Yes or no, can you or can you not use a machine gun that does not exist. This is not a hard question. Any rational person could answer this question. Why do you insist on deflecting?
^^^
Running away from the truth.
Yes or no, can you or can you not use a machine gun that does not exist. This is not a hard question. Any rational person could answer this question. Why do you insist on deflecting?
 
950 posts, no sound response.
No honesty or openness on the part of gun lovers?

I have no problem with gun lovers registering for posse duty whenever it may be required, in exchange for keeping and bearing Arms in public venues; and, not Only that, avoiding posse duty should be as serious as avoiding jury duty.

Lower our Tax Burden and end that involuntary income transfer by ending our War on Crime.

Only Bad Socialists and worse Capitalists have a War on Crime, paid for with the (other) Peoples' money.
 
No honesty or openness on the part of gun lovers?

This is a sovereign State's right regarding gun lovers and the police Power of a State that is secured by our Second Article of Amendment; registering for posse duty whenever it may be required, in exchange for keeping and bearing Arms in public venues; and, not Only that, avoiding posse duty should be as serious as avoiding jury duty.

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Lower our Tax Burden and end that involuntary income transfer by ending our War on Crime.

Only Bad Socialists and worse Capitalists have a War on Crime, paid for with the (other) Peoples' money.
 
958 posts, no sound response.
No honesty or openness on the part of gun lovers?

This is a sovereign State's right regarding gun lovers and the police Power of a State that is secured by our Second Article of Amendment; registering for posse duty whenever it may be required, in exchange for keeping and bearing Arms in public venues; and, not Only that, avoiding posse duty should be as serious as avoiding jury duty.

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Lower our Tax Burden and end that involuntary income transfer by ending our War on Crime.

Only Bad Socialists and worse Capitalists have a War on Crime, paid for with the (other) Peoples' money.
 

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