Hobby Lobby and the NYTimes

[rightwinger]

"....and don't work for them."


Spoony pretty much destroyed your attempt to force ObamaCare's anti-religious-freedom view down everyone's throat.

But, for you totalitarians, the view is 'you will obey!'


Of course you knew that, which is why you ignored his point.

Actually, no he didn't

It is Hobby Lobby that is suing to deny the rights of their employees under Obamacare

It is up to Hobby Lobby not their employees

Again...How does Hobby Lobby defend the wide use of Chinese products given Chinas record on abortion?

"It is up to Hobby Lobby not their employees."



Seems you are unaware of the 13th amendment that Republicans imposed on the unwilling Democrats:

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation

sorry ....but your attempt to equate Hobby Lobby with slavery is just plain silly

 

[PoliticalChic]

Actually, no he didn't

It is Hobby Lobby that is suing to deny the rights of their employees under Obamacare

It is up to Hobby Lobby not their employees

Again...How does Hobby Lobby defend the wide use of Chinese products given Chinas record on abortion?

"It is up to Hobby Lobby not their employees."



Seems you are unaware of the 13th amendment that Republicans imposed on the unwilling Democrats:

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation

sorry ....but your attempt to equate Hobby Lobby with slavery is just plain silly

'....just plain silly'


I realized with whom I was speaking; it left no alternative.

 

[initforme]

Do they have a problem with paying for contraception or do they have a problem with contraception in general? Why would anyone be against contraception? So they believe a married couple who choses not to have kids and uses contraception is wrong? I don't understand. A lot of young couples are choosing not to have kids. They are probably using contraception. I can understand not wanting to pay for it. But what exactly is wrong with contraception? It is good for the health of a country.

 

[dblack]

Do they have a problem with paying for contraception or do they have a problem with contraception in general?

I think they have a problem with government dictating how they compensate their employees.

 

[rightwinger]

hobby lobby has a choice on who they buy from. knowing that some of their money will go to a government that will enforce mandatory abortions how can they possibly square that with their deeply held religious beliefs?

If Hobby Lobby were sincere in their objection to abortion, they would not touch anything that says "Made in China"

But that would wreck corporate profits. Denying their employees access to birth control does not affect their profits so that is where their morality kicks in

or made in the usa, since we allow abortions.

We give women the choice to have an abortion. China requires it after one child.

Hobby Lobby is OK with that as long as they make a profit

 

[rightwinger]

"It is up to Hobby Lobby not their employees."



Seems you are unaware of the 13th amendment that Republicans imposed on the unwilling Democrats:

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation

sorry ....but your attempt to equate Hobby Lobby with slavery is just plain silly

'....just plain silly'


I realized with whom I was speaking; it left no alternative.

Sorry PC but your post is just laughable...you usually put more thought into the crap you post

 

[Spoonman]

If Hobby Lobby were sincere in their objection to abortion, they would not touch anything that says "Made in China"

But that would wreck corporate profits. Denying their employees access to birth control does not affect their profits so that is where their morality kicks in

or made in the usa, since we allow abortions.

We give women the choice to have an abortion. China requires it after one child.

Hobby Lobby is OK with that as long as they make a profit

hobby lobby buys from manufacturers, not the chines government. manufacturers have no policy mandating abortion. why don't you get on Obama for borrowing money from a government that violates human rights? oh yea, because you are a liberal hypocrite. one never challenges authority on ones team.

 

[jillian]

Well, the Supreme Court is about to adjudicate the Hobby Lobby case, one of those brought against the most anti-religion administration this country has ever had.

i can't be bothered with cut and pastes… but your premise is a lie.

sorry, PC.

but no doubt the wingers will love it.

 

[Politico]

Hobby Lobby is at the top of the search engines now. Good for them.

 

[rightwinger]

Hobby Lobby is at the top of the search engines now. Good for them.

Sometimes that is good, sometimes that is bad

 

[PoliticalChic]

Well, the Supreme Court is about to adjudicate the Hobby Lobby case, one of those brought against the most anti-religion administration this country has ever had.

i can't be bothered with cut and pastes… but your premise is a lie.

sorry, PC.

but no doubt the wingers will love it.

Here is my premise: "Well, the Supreme Court is about to adjudicate the Hobby Lobby case, one of those brought against the most anti-religion administration this country has ever had."



No lie there.


But Leftists hate it, don't you.

 

[Lumpy 1]

Hobby Lobby should just cancel out on providing medical insurance for their employees. Americans would suffer, Democrats would be happy and Hobby Lobby wouldn't be compromised.

 

[dblack]

Hobby Lobby should just cancel out on providing medical insurance for their employees. Americans would suffer, Democrats would be happy and Hobby Lobby wouldn't be compromised.

They'd be punished for that as well. Mandates is mandates.

 

[Lumpy 1]

Hobby Lobby should just cancel out on providing medical insurance for their employees. Americans would suffer, Democrats would be happy and Hobby Lobby wouldn't be compromised.

They'd be punished for that as well. Mandates is mandates.

Obamacare is a costly and moronic success at this point, mandates will be overturned when logic returns to Washington.

Besides for Hobby Lobby it would be a lot cheaper anyway.. Democrats are forcing them to do what they must under these conditions.. Democrats could care less about the Hobby Lobby employees obviously, liberal big government overturning of constitutional freedoms is the bottom line interest.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Hobby Lobby should just cancel out on providing medical insurance for their employees. Americans would suffer, Democrats would be happy and Hobby Lobby wouldn't be compromised.

They'd be punished for that as well. Mandates is mandates.

Obamacare is a costly and moronic success at this point, mandates will be overturned when logic returns to Washington.

Besides for Hobby Lobby it would be a lot cheaper anyway.. Democrats are forcing them to do what they must under these conditions.. Democrats could care less about the Hobby Lobby employees obviously, liberal big government overturning of constitutional freedoms is the bottom line interest.

"....costly and moronic...."

Nay, nay....reserve that phrase for Liberalism.

ObamaCare is a crime:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/obamacare/346904-criminal-science-obamacare-on-trial.html

 

[Lumpy 1]

They'd be punished for that as well. Mandates is mandates.

Obamacare is a costly and moronic success at this point, mandates will be overturned when logic returns to Washington.

Besides for Hobby Lobby it would be a lot cheaper anyway.. Democrats are forcing them to do what they must under these conditions.. Democrats could care less about the Hobby Lobby employees obviously, liberal big government overturning of constitutional freedoms is the bottom line interest.

"....costly and moronic...."

Nay, nay....reserve that phrase for Liberalism.

ObamaCare is a crime:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/obamacare/346904-criminal-science-obamacare-on-trial.html

I submit to your wisdom and many charms...

 

[PoliticalChic]

Obamacare is a costly and moronic success at this point, mandates will be overturned when logic returns to Washington.

Besides for Hobby Lobby it would be a lot cheaper anyway.. Democrats are forcing them to do what they must under these conditions.. Democrats could care less about the Hobby Lobby employees obviously, liberal big government overturning of constitutional freedoms is the bottom line interest.

"....costly and moronic...."

Nay, nay....reserve that phrase for Liberalism.

ObamaCare is a crime:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/obamacare/346904-criminal-science-obamacare-on-trial.html

I submit to your wisdom and many charms...

You silver tongued devil, you.....I can see why Missus Lumpy didn't have a chance.



Question for the Obamunists: their burden is to show that the government has a compelling interest in forcing the Hobby Lobby folks to put aside their religious convictions.

To do so, they must explain away all of the exemptions that they gave to keep supporters happy.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Hobby Lobby should just cancel out on providing medical insurance for their employees. Americans would suffer, Democrats would be happy and Hobby Lobby wouldn't be compromised.

They'd be punished for that as well. Mandates is mandates.

And the tax they'd be assessed would be quite a fee to avail themselves of "the free exercise of their religion."

 

[PoliticalChic]

Step back and consider the Hobby Lobby suit.

The actions of this government, the Obama government, can best be understood within the context of this discussion of the positive fervor of Liberals toward the Soviet Union:

"But the center of the wave of approval that went through Western intellectual circles in the 1920s and 30s about the new society being built in the Soviet Union was that man himself was to somehow be changed. What they failed to take into account was that the concept of the creation of a new man necessitates atheism, the rejection of God, as state policy. In order to create a new man, man's nature must be changeable. Therefore, God's creation of man with an immutable nature must be invalid."
https://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=1978&month=09

 

[Lonestar_logic]

The qualifier for the OP is false.

Let's move along.

Hi Jake:
Can you honestly explain why it is ok
for an Atheist to sue to remove a cross from a public building, at taxpayers' expense,
but not ok for Christians to defend their beliefs from imposition or offense.

If this is not some political stage of backlash in a process of developing as a society,
then why has "religious freedom" flipped the other way,
from defending religious practice from regulation or imposition by govt
to the opposite of defending against perceived religious bias by "dominant groups"
such as the Christian, conservative, White or wealthy "as a class."

Fowler recognized stages in spiritual development.
Doesn't the "same human psychology" apply to political development?

Can we be HONEST this is happening?

Or do we "need to go through denial and projection"
as part of the stages and process as well?

Is this just another stage also?
Thanks, Jake

Not trying to pick on you, but somehow trust you to be honest.
I've got my own biases also, and just trying to be honest about those also.
Want to know "who on this board" is able to step outside and call out
our biases for what they are. And be ok admitting it instead of excluding anyone
who has the opposite bias going on. Can't we just deal with each other anyway?

bump


Waiting on jakes response.