Hobby Lobby and the NYTimes

[ogibillm]

and that is your choice. you are fine with a hospital forcing a doctor to perfom an abortion against his will. why are you left wing moonbats so full of these double standards?

kind of calls the objectivity of your arguments into question.

I am not the one suing here....it is Hobby Lobby

They seem to claim that they have religious convictions when it comes to their employees but not when it impacts their profits

Because profits are their true religion

I guess because they realize they have no influence over choices of a soveriegn nation. However Hobby Lobys does have a choice how they chose to run their own business within the bounds of our constitution. a boundry the obama administration repeatedly tries to overstep.

hobby lobby has a choice on who they buy from. knowing that some of their money will go to a government that will enforce mandatory abortions how can they possibly square that with their deeply held religious beliefs?

 

[Spoonman]

As a consumer we are free to do that....

But it is Hobby Lobby not its customers who is suing to protect its religious rights. Yet they selectively choose to enforce those rights on their employees while they ignore it when their suppliers enforce abortion

Kind of calls their legal standing into question

"....and don't work for them."


Spoony pretty much destroyed your attempt to force ObamaCare's anti-religious-freedom view down everyone's throat.

But, for you totalitarians, the view is 'you will obey!'


Of course you knew that, which is why you ignored his point.

and what rightwinger did was pretty much establish that hobby lobby's supposed deeply held religious beliefs are demonstrably not that deeply held.

and rightwunger demonstrated his beliefs in our constitutional rights are not that widely held

 

[Spoonman]

I am not the one suing here....it is Hobby Lobby

They seem to claim that they have religious convictions when it comes to their employees but not when it impacts their profits

Because profits are their true religion

I guess because they realize they have no influence over choices of a soveriegn nation. However Hobby Lobys does have a choice how they chose to run their own business within the bounds of our constitution. a boundry the obama administration repeatedly tries to overstep.

hobby lobby has a choice on who they buy from.

and you have documentation that the companies they buy from froce abortion on their employees? or are you just jumping on righwingers spin attempt?

 

[ogibillm]

I guess because they realize they have no influence over choices of a soveriegn nation. However Hobby Lobys does have a choice how they chose to run their own business within the bounds of our constitution. a boundry the obama administration repeatedly tries to overstep.

hobby lobby has a choice on who they buy from.

and you have documentation that the companies they buy from froce abortion on their employees? or are you just jumping on righwingers spin attempt?

buying from china means a portion of that money will go to the chinese government. the chinese government has forced abortions before and at the very least encourages it now with their one child only policy.

 

[Spoonman]

hobby lobby has a choice on who they buy from.

and you have documentation that the companies they buy from froce abortion on their employees? or are you just jumping on righwingers spin attempt?

buying from china means a portion of that money will go to the chinese government. the chinese government has forced abortions before and at the very least encourages it now with their one child only policy.

So you are saying they shouldn't buy amaerican either since america is pro abortion. in fact they have no were to buy from since there abortions are allowed in pretty much every manufacturing country. kind of a stretch there don't you think. but lets focus on the real issue, a democray, our own democracy with a constitutional right for free choice forcing an american entity to give up that right. we keep allowing that shit to happen and before you know it we will be china.

 

[rightwinger]

so don't buy from them and don't work for them. you have a choice. they aren't forcing anything on you. you want to bitch about something being forced on someone bitch about obamacare being forced on everyone

As a consumer we are free to do that....

But it is Hobby Lobby not its customers who is suing to protect its religious rights. Yet they selectively choose to enforce those rights on their employees while they ignore it when their suppliers enforce abortion

Kind of calls their legal standing into question

"....and don't work for them."


Spoony pretty much destroyed your attempt to force ObamaCare's anti-religious-freedom view down everyone's throat.

But, for you totalitarians, the view is 'you will obey!'


Of course you knew that, which is why you ignored his point.

Actually, no he didn't

It is Hobby Lobby that is suing to deny the rights of their employees under Obamacare

It is up to Hobby Lobby not their employees

Again...How does Hobby Lobby defend the wide use of Chinese products given Chinas record on abortion?

 

[ogibillm]

and you have documentation that the companies they buy from froce abortion on their employees? or are you just jumping on righwingers spin attempt?

buying from china means a portion of that money will go to the chinese government. the chinese government has forced abortions before and at the very least encourages it now with their one child only policy.

So you are saying they shouldn't buy amaerican either since america is pro abortion. in fact they have no were to buy from since there abortions are allowed in pretty much every manufacturing country. kind of a stretch there don't you think. but lets focus on the real issue, a democray, our own democracy with a constitutional right for free choice forcing an american entity to give up that right. we keep allowing that shit to happen and before you know it we will be china.

when was the last time there was a forced abortion in the US?

 

[rightwinger]

I guess because they realize they have no influence over choices of a soveriegn nation. However Hobby Lobys does have a choice how they chose to run their own business within the bounds of our constitution. a boundry the obama administration repeatedly tries to overstep.

hobby lobby has a choice on who they buy from.

and you have documentation that the companies they buy from froce abortion on their employees? or are you just jumping on righwingers spin attempt?

If they are Chinese citizens and they already have one child, then abortion is forced on them

Hobby Lobby claims they are taking the moral high ground, yet they could easily buy from sources other than China

 

[rightwinger]

"....and don't work for them."


Spoony pretty much destroyed your attempt to force ObamaCare's anti-religious-freedom view down everyone's throat.

But, for you totalitarians, the view is 'you will obey!'


Of course you knew that, which is why you ignored his point.

and what rightwinger did was pretty much establish that hobby lobby's supposed deeply held religious beliefs are demonstrably not that deeply held.

and rightwunger demonstrated his beliefs in our constitutional rights are not that widely held

Maybe you missed it, but the Supreme Court upheld the Constitutionality of Obamacare

 

[rightwinger]

I am not the one suing here....it is Hobby Lobby

They seem to claim that they have religious convictions when it comes to their employees but not when it impacts their profits

Because profits are their true religion

I guess because they realize they have no influence over choices of a soveriegn nation. However Hobby Lobys does have a choice how they chose to run their own business within the bounds of our constitution. a boundry the obama administration repeatedly tries to overstep.

hobby lobby has a choice on who they buy from. knowing that some of their money will go to a government that will enforce mandatory abortions how can they possibly square that with their deeply held religious beliefs?

If Hobby Lobby were sincere in their objection to abortion, they would not touch anything that says "Made in China"

But that would wreck corporate profits. Denying their employees access to birth control does not affect their profits so that is where their morality kicks in

 

[Spoonman]

buying from china means a portion of that money will go to the chinese government. the chinese government has forced abortions before and at the very least encourages it now with their one child only policy.

So you are saying they shouldn't buy amaerican either since america is pro abortion. in fact they have no were to buy from since there abortions are allowed in pretty much every manufacturing country. kind of a stretch there don't you think. but lets focus on the real issue, a democray, our own democracy with a constitutional right for free choice forcing an american entity to give up that right. we keep allowing that shit to happen and before you know it we will be china.

when was the last time there was a forced abortion in the US?

can a doctor in a hospital chooose not to perform an abortion?

 

[Spoonman]

and what rightwinger did was pretty much establish that hobby lobby's supposed deeply held religious beliefs are demonstrably not that deeply held.

and rightwunger demonstrated his beliefs in our constitutional rights are not that widely held

Maybe you missed it, but the Supreme Court upheld the Constitutionality of Obamacare

cool, so when they say corporations won't be forced to provide contraceptive coverage you and sandra fluke will be down with that.

 

[Spoonman]

I guess because they realize they have no influence over choices of a soveriegn nation. However Hobby Lobys does have a choice how they chose to run their own business within the bounds of our constitution. a boundry the obama administration repeatedly tries to overstep.

hobby lobby has a choice on who they buy from. knowing that some of their money will go to a government that will enforce mandatory abortions how can they possibly square that with their deeply held religious beliefs?

If Hobby Lobby were sincere in their objection to abortion, they would not touch anything that says "Made in China"

But that would wreck corporate profits. Denying their employees access to birth control does not affect their profits so that is where their morality kicks in

or made in the usa, since we allow abortions.

 

[PoliticalChic]

As a consumer we are free to do that....

But it is Hobby Lobby not its customers who is suing to protect its religious rights. Yet they selectively choose to enforce those rights on their employees while they ignore it when their suppliers enforce abortion

Kind of calls their legal standing into question

"....and don't work for them."


Spoony pretty much destroyed your attempt to force ObamaCare's anti-religious-freedom view down everyone's throat.

But, for you totalitarians, the view is 'you will obey!'


Of course you knew that, which is why you ignored his point.

and what rightwinger did was pretty much establish that hobby lobby's supposed deeply held religious beliefs are demonstrably not that deeply held.

Of course he did no such thing.


What he did was allow his inner communist to come out.....and attack profits.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I am not the one suing here....it is Hobby Lobby

They seem to claim that they have religious convictions when it comes to their employees but not when it impacts their profits

Because profits are their true religion

I guess because they realize they have no influence over choices of a soveriegn nation. However Hobby Lobys does have a choice how they chose to run their own business within the bounds of our constitution. a boundry the obama administration repeatedly tries to overstep.

hobby lobby has a choice on who they buy from. knowing that some of their money will go to a government that will enforce mandatory abortions how can they possibly square that with their deeply held religious beliefs?

Here is the real choice they have: accept a pittance of a fine for not covering their employee's health insurance, or, at a considerably greater cost, providing same.
Clearly, profit is not their motive.

Consider your argument eviscerated.


Further, the argument was made today by the corporation's lawyers that a victory by the Obamunists would enable them to force doctors to perform abortions against their religious convictions.

Justice Roberts said 'that's exactly what they're saying.'

 

[PoliticalChic]

hobby lobby has a choice on who they buy from.

and you have documentation that the companies they buy from froce abortion on their employees? or are you just jumping on righwingers spin attempt?

buying from china means a portion of that money will go to the chinese government. the chinese government has forced abortions before and at the very least encourages it now with their one child only policy.

You are truly a dunce.


US government funds go to support of Planned Parenthood.

 

[PoliticalChic]

As a consumer we are free to do that....

But it is Hobby Lobby not its customers who is suing to protect its religious rights. Yet they selectively choose to enforce those rights on their employees while they ignore it when their suppliers enforce abortion

Kind of calls their legal standing into question

"....and don't work for them."


Spoony pretty much destroyed your attempt to force ObamaCare's anti-religious-freedom view down everyone's throat.

But, for you totalitarians, the view is 'you will obey!'


Of course you knew that, which is why you ignored his point.

Actually, no he didn't

It is Hobby Lobby that is suing to deny the rights of their employees under Obamacare

It is up to Hobby Lobby not their employees

Again...How does Hobby Lobby defend the wide use of Chinese products given Chinas record on abortion?

"It is up to Hobby Lobby not their employees."



Seems you are unaware of the 13th amendment that Republicans imposed on the unwilling Democrats:

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The qualifier for the OP is false.

Let's move along.

Wow!

Say anything "Bad" about Obama and Jake is on it like a leopard on a limping baby gazelle

No, Jake is not paid by OFA to post here.

No way

 

[PoliticalChic]

buying from china means a portion of that money will go to the chinese government. the chinese government has forced abortions before and at the very least encourages it now with their one child only policy.

So you are saying they shouldn't buy amaerican either since america is pro abortion. in fact they have no were to buy from since there abortions are allowed in pretty much every manufacturing country. kind of a stretch there don't you think. but lets focus on the real issue, a democray, our own democracy with a constitutional right for free choice forcing an american entity to give up that right. we keep allowing that shit to happen and before you know it we will be china.

when was the last time there was a forced abortion in the US?

March 29, 1997
Forced Abortions in America: Case Before Supreme Court | Population Research Institute

 

[rightwinger]

and rightwunger demonstrated his beliefs in our constitutional rights are not that widely held

Maybe you missed it, but the Supreme Court upheld the Constitutionality of Obamacare

cool, so when they say corporations won't be forced to provide contraceptive coverage you and sandra fluke will be down with that.

That is why we have courts

I may not agree with the decision, but they call the shots