HNN Poll: 61% of Historians Rate the Bush Presidency Worst

[rdean]

He also is as accurate, if not more accurate, as any other pollster.

Rasmussen's Polling Stirs Bias Debate

Rasmussen Polls Were Biased and Inaccurate; Quinnipiac, SurveyUSA Performed Strongly - NYTimes.com

Why it's increasingly difficult*to take Rasmussen polls seriously | Media Matters for America

Rasmussen Was Biased

Rasmussen's Daily Prez Approval Index: misleading and biased | Unreadable Nixters's Blog


and so on and so on..

Rasmussen not biased and truthful? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

And so on:

The following list ranks the 23 organizations by the accuracy of their final, national preelection
polls (as reported on pollster.com).
1. Rasmussen (11/1-3)**
1. Pew (10/29-11/1)**
2. YouGov/Polimetrix (10/18-11/1)
3. Harris Interactive (10/20-27)
4. GWU (Lake/Tarrance) (11/2-3)*
5. Diageo/Hotline (10/31-11/2)*
5. ARG (10/25-27)*
6. CNN (10/30-11/1)
6. Ipsos/McClatchy (10/30-11/1)
7. DailyKos.com (D)/Research 2000 (11/1-3)
8. AP/Yahoo/KN (10/17-27)
9. Democracy Corps (D) (10/30-11/2)
10. FOX (11/1-2)
11. Economist/YouGov (10/25-27)
12. IBD/TIPP (11/1-3)
13. NBC/WSJ (11/1-2)
14. ABC/Post (10/30-11/2)
15. Marist College (11/3)
16. CBS (10/31-11/2)
17. Gallup (10/31-11/2)
18. Reuters/ C-SPAN/ Zogby (10/31-11/3)
19. CBS/Times (10/25-29)
20. Newsweek (10/22-23)

http://www.fordham.edu/images/acade...ccuracy in the 2008 presidential election.pdf

PEW is second? It's PEW that says only 6% of scientists are Republican.

 

[rdean]

My bet is that 25 years from now you will find Bush 43 ranked somewhere near the middle. Depending upon how the war on terror plays out.

Drive through New Orleans with this on the side of your car. People will cheer.
Trust me.

 

[Zona]

He also is as accurate, if not more accurate, as any other pollster.

Rasmussen's Polling Stirs Bias Debate

Rasmussen Polls Were Biased and Inaccurate; Quinnipiac, SurveyUSA Performed Strongly - NYTimes.com

Why it's increasingly difficult*to take Rasmussen polls seriously | Media Matters for America

Rasmussen Was Biased

Rasmussen's Daily Prez Approval Index: misleading and biased | Unreadable Nixters's Blog


and so on and so on..

Rasmussen not biased and truthful? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

And so on:

The following list ranks the 23 organizations by the accuracy of their final, national preelection
polls (as reported on pollster.com).
1. Rasmussen (11/1-3)**
1. Pew (10/29-11/1)**
2. YouGov/Polimetrix (10/18-11/1)
3. Harris Interactive (10/20-27)
4. GWU (Lake/Tarrance) (11/2-3)*
5. Diageo/Hotline (10/31-11/2)*
5. ARG (10/25-27)*
6. CNN (10/30-11/1)
6. Ipsos/McClatchy (10/30-11/1)
7. DailyKos.com (D)/Research 2000 (11/1-3)
8. AP/Yahoo/KN (10/17-27)
9. Democracy Corps (D) (10/30-11/2)
10. FOX (11/1-2)
11. Economist/YouGov (10/25-27)
12. IBD/TIPP (11/1-3)
13. NBC/WSJ (11/1-2)
14. ABC/Post (10/30-11/2)
15. Marist College (11/3)
16. CBS (10/31-11/2)
17. Gallup (10/31-11/2)
18. Reuters/ C-SPAN/ Zogby (10/31-11/3)
19. CBS/Times (10/25-29)
20. Newsweek (10/22-23)

http://www.fordham.edu/images/acade...ccuracy in the 2008 presidential election.pdf

Who the hell is this ONE GUY...who came up with this pdf file? Seriously, please try again.

Costas Panagopoulos, Ph.D.

 

[Oddball]

An unscientific poll .....

'Nuf said...Nothing to see here.

 

[Patrick2]

People who are careful readers will discern why Rasmussen polls differ from other polls on the same subject - Rasmussen almost always polls likely voters, whereas other polls, eg Gallup, usually poll adults in general. Republicans are more likely to vote than democrats. Further, Gallup polling shows more people self-identify as conservative than lib or independent.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

LOL Who the fuck cares?

You, since you posted.

asking for an opinion in the present is just silly snapshot in time, I have no doubt that bush would be high on the list.

I would hope that historians, at least responsible ones would add this to their opinions as a proviso in that time can rehabilitate even the worst opinions from the snapshot of the present.

And this would apply to the WH’s current occupant. I don’t see GWB becoming a ‘Truman,’ however.

The Reagan presidency, OTOH, will be a very difficult administration to objectively evaluate, even after another 20 years.

 

[rightwinger]

UPDATE:::

It is ridiculously early for any historian to rate a President a mere 32 months after leaving office when a great many actions put in place by a President does not take full effect until years later, sometimes as long as 10 years later.

As any Presidential historian worth his/her weight in sand knows this to be true - it begs the question as to what motive they would have to make such a judgement so early.

Where have I heard this one before?

It is ridiculously early to rate Bush after 10 years but you can declare the Obama presidency a failure after 2

 

[rightwinger]

My bet is that 25 years from now you will find Bush 43 ranked somewhere near the middle. Depending upon how the war on terror plays out.

What will not change about Bush

1. He blundered in his decision to invade Iraq on bogus intelligence
2. He sat like a deer in the headlights as the economy crashed
3. He openly engaged in torture
4. He ignored Katrina

 

[code1211]

A Pew Research Center poll released last week found that the share of the American public that approves of President George W. Bush has dropped to a new low of 28 percent.

An unscientific poll of professional historians completed the same week produced results far worse for a president clinging to the hope that history will someday take a kinder view of his presidency than does contemporary public opinion.

In an informal survey of 109 professional historians conducted over a three-week period through the History News Network, 98.2 percent assessed the presidency of Mr. Bush to be a failure while 1.8 percent classified it as a success.

Asked to rank the presidency of George W. Bush in comparison to those of the other 41 American presidents, more than 61 percent of the historians concluded that the current presidency is the worst in the nation’s history. Another 35 percent of the historians surveyed rated the Bush presidency in the 31st to 41st category, while only four of the 109 respondents ranked the current presidency as even among the top two-thirds of American administrations.

At least two of those who ranked the current president in the 31-41 ranking made it clear that they placed him next-to-last, with only James Buchanan, in their view, being worse. “He is easily one of the 10-worst of all time and—if the magnitude of the challenges and opportunities matter—then probably in the bottom five, alongside Buchanan, Johnson, Fillmore, and Pierce,” wrote another historian.

The reason for the hesitancy some historians had in categorizing the Bush presidency as the worst ever, which led them to place it instead in the “nearly the worst” group, was well expressed by another historian who said, “It is a bit too early to judge whether Bush's presidency is the worst ever, though it certainly has a shot to take the title. Without a doubt, it is among the worst.”

History News Network | Because the Past is the Present, and the Future too.

If running up the debt, losing international prestige, condemning future generations to the scrap heap and ending the period of American dominance in the world are the areas in which we need to judge presidents, these folks ain't seen nothing yet.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Rasmussen's Polling Stirs Bias Debate

Rasmussen Polls Were Biased and Inaccurate; Quinnipiac, SurveyUSA Performed Strongly - NYTimes.com

Why it's increasingly difficult*to take Rasmussen polls seriously | Media Matters for America

Rasmussen Was Biased

Rasmussen's Daily Prez Approval Index: misleading and biased | Unreadable Nixters's Blog


and so on and so on..

Rasmussen not biased and truthful? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

And so on:

The following list ranks the 23 organizations by the accuracy of their final, national preelection
polls (as reported on pollster.com).
1. Rasmussen (11/1-3)**
1. Pew (10/29-11/1)**
2. YouGov/Polimetrix (10/18-11/1)
3. Harris Interactive (10/20-27)
4. GWU (Lake/Tarrance) (11/2-3)*
5. Diageo/Hotline (10/31-11/2)*
5. ARG (10/25-27)*
6. CNN (10/30-11/1)
6. Ipsos/McClatchy (10/30-11/1)
7. DailyKos.com (D)/Research 2000 (11/1-3)
8. AP/Yahoo/KN (10/17-27)
9. Democracy Corps (D) (10/30-11/2)
10. FOX (11/1-2)
11. Economist/YouGov (10/25-27)
12. IBD/TIPP (11/1-3)
13. NBC/WSJ (11/1-2)
14. ABC/Post (10/30-11/2)
15. Marist College (11/3)
16. CBS (10/31-11/2)
17. Gallup (10/31-11/2)
18. Reuters/ C-SPAN/ Zogby (10/31-11/3)
19. CBS/Times (10/25-29)
20. Newsweek (10/22-23)

http://www.fordham.edu/images/acade...ccuracy in the 2008 presidential election.pdf

Who the hell is this ONE GUY...who came up with this pdf file? Seriously, please try again.

Costas Panagopoulos, Ph.D.

Department of Political Science
Fordham University

Seriously, fuck you

 

[iamwhatiseem]

My bet is that 25 years from now you will find Bush 43 ranked somewhere near the middle. Depending upon how the war on terror plays out.

What will not change about Bush

1. He blundered in his decision to invade Iraq on bogus intelligence
2. He sat like a deer in the headlights as the economy crashed
3. He openly engaged in torture
4. He ignored Katrina

In the minds of Kool-Aid drinkers and sheeple - yes your right.

On your "points".
1) Congress also voted to go to war, this "bogus" intelligence "fooled" also the Prime Minister of Great Britian, France and ultimately the U.N.
2) The economy crashed 3 months before his Presidency ended.
3) He did nothing no other President has not done, including Obama.
4) Your opinion on this shows your true ignorance and blind partisanship in who/what really failed in this human disaster.

 

[MikeK]

UPDATE:::

It is ridiculously early for any historian to rate a President a mere 32 months after leaving office when a great many actions put in place by a President does not take full effect until years later, sometimes as long as 10 years later.

As any Presidential historian worth his/her weight in sand knows this to be true - it begs the question as to what motive they would have to make such a judgement so early.

George W. Bush is a brain-damaged fop who was appointed President by a rogue, neo-Conservative majority in the Supreme Court. That crime against the Constitution and the American People was one of the worst things that ever happened to this Nation.

George W. Bush was positioned by the shadow government for the purpose of finishing what Ronald Reagan started, which is the disassembly of the American Middle Class and the rise of a corporatocracy -- the bedrock of an American fascist state. Because the power of the American Middle Class is defined by its wealth and its influence over industry, Ronald Reagan commenced its decline by laying siege against the union movement and by compromising the national economy with massive debt.

Bill Clinton managed in spite of his self-serving patronage of the emerging corporatocracy to repair much of the damage done by Reaganomics. While he didn't do as much as he could have he did leave the economy with a marginal deficit and a significant surplus. But it didn't take Bush long to methodically sabotage Clinton's efforts by engaging in a profligate spending spree, by initiating two massively costly but un-budgeted military engagements, and by pushing through a massive tax reduction for his uber-rich "base" at the same time.

The least sophisticated political observer knows that Bush's excessive and clearly illogical maneuvers would be destructive to the strongest, most stable economy, and it cannot be said he wasn't advised of that by numerous experts -- including his father.

The most cursory review of his two terms in Office leaves no doubt in the reasoning mind that President George W. Bush was the willing tool of a shadow government which has since the 1980s been engaged in the incremental rise of a corporate oligarchy, the vanguard of which is the defense industry.

George W. Bush is a criminal. He, along with such conspirators as Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, Rice, Tenet, Powell, Yu, Gonzales and Addington deserve to stood against a wall and shot for what they did to this Nation.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

UPDATE:::

It is ridiculously early for any historian to rate a President a mere 32 months after leaving office when a great many actions put in place by a President does not take full effect until years later, sometimes as long as 10 years later.

As any Presidential historian worth his/her weight in sand knows this to be true - it begs the question as to what motive they would have to make such a judgement so early.

George W. Bush is a brain-damaged fop who was appointed President by a rogue, neo-Conservative majority in the Supreme Court. That crime against the Constitution and the American People was one of the worst things that ever happened to this Nation.

George W. Bush was positioned by the shadow government for the purpose of finishing what Ronald Reagan started, which is the disassembly of the American Middle Class and the rise of a corporatocracy -- the bedrock of an American fascist state. Because the power of the American Middle Class is defined by its wealth and its influence over industry, Ronald Reagan commenced its decline by laying siege against the union movement and by compromising the national economy with massive debt.

Bill Clinton managed in spite of his self-serving patronage of the emerging corporatocracy to repair much of the damage done by Reaganomics. While he didn't do as much as he could have he did leave the economy with a marginal deficit and a significant surplus. But it didn't take Bush long to methodically sabotage Clinton's efforts by engaging in a profligate spending spree, by initiating two massively costly but un-budgeted military engagements, and by pushing through a massive tax reduction for his uber-rich "base" at the same time.

The least sophisticated political observer knows that Bush's excessive and clearly illogical maneuvers would be destructive to the strongest, most stable economy, and it cannot be said he wasn't advised of that by numerous experts -- including his father.

The most cursory review of his two terms in Office leaves no doubt in the reasoning mind that President George W. Bush was the willing tool of a shadow government which has since the 1980s been engaged in the incremental rise of a corporate oligarchy, the vanguard of which is the defense industry.

George W. Bush is a criminal. He, along with such conspirators as Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, Rice, Tenet, Powell, Yu, Gonzales and Addington deserve to stood against a wall and shot for what they did to this Nation.

Your really should consider never drinking another Red Bull for the rest of your life.

 

[Stephanie]

UPDATE:::

It is ridiculously early for any historian to rate a President a mere 32 months after leaving office when a great many actions put in place by a President does not take full effect until years later, sometimes as long as 10 years later.

As any Presidential historian worth his/her weight in sand knows this to be true - it begs the question as to what motive they would have to make such a judgement so early.

You'll burst a lot of bubbles..

 

[Truthseeker420]

UPDATE:::

It is ridiculously early for any historian to rate a President a mere 32 months after leaving office when a great many actions put in place by a President does not take full effect until years later, sometimes as long as 10 years later.

As any Presidential historian worth his/her weight in sand knows this to be true - it begs the question as to what motive they would have to make such a judgement so early.

You'll burst a lot of bubbles..

only in a neonuts mind.

 

[Trajan]

Rasmussen's Polling Stirs Bias Debate

Rasmussen Polls Were Biased and Inaccurate; Quinnipiac, SurveyUSA Performed Strongly - NYTimes.com

Why it's increasingly difficult*to take Rasmussen polls seriously | Media Matters for America

Rasmussen Was Biased

Rasmussen's Daily Prez Approval Index: misleading and biased | Unreadable Nixters's Blog


and so on and so on..

Rasmussen not biased and truthful? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

And so on:

The following list ranks the 23 organizations by the accuracy of their final, national preelection
polls (as reported on pollster.com).
1. Rasmussen (11/1-3)**
1. Pew (10/29-11/1)**
2. YouGov/Polimetrix (10/18-11/1)
3. Harris Interactive (10/20-27)
4. GWU (Lake/Tarrance) (11/2-3)*
5. Diageo/Hotline (10/31-11/2)*
5. ARG (10/25-27)*
6. CNN (10/30-11/1)
6. Ipsos/McClatchy (10/30-11/1)
7. DailyKos.com (D)/Research 2000 (11/1-3)
8. AP/Yahoo/KN (10/17-27)
9. Democracy Corps (D) (10/30-11/2)
10. FOX (11/1-2)
11. Economist/YouGov (10/25-27)
12. IBD/TIPP (11/1-3)
13. NBC/WSJ (11/1-2)
14. ABC/Post (10/30-11/2)
15. Marist College (11/3)
16. CBS (10/31-11/2)
17. Gallup (10/31-11/2)
18. Reuters/ C-SPAN/ Zogby (10/31-11/3)
19. CBS/Times (10/25-29)
20. Newsweek (10/22-23)

http://www.fordham.edu/images/acade...ccuracy in the 2008 presidential election.pdf

PEW is second? It's PEW that says only 6% of scientists are Republican.

and 10% of college faculty admit they are conservative...so your point was?

 

[code1211]

My bet is that 25 years from now you will find Bush 43 ranked somewhere near the middle. Depending upon how the war on terror plays out.

What will not change about Bush

1. He blundered in his decision to invade Iraq on bogus intelligence
2. He sat like a deer in the headlights as the economy crashed
3. He openly engaged in torture
4. He ignored Katrina

1. Sadam tried to assasinate 41 so W went after him.
2. You're delusional. He and his administration intitiated TARP. It was unknown territory and his intention was to avoid 1929 which he did.
3. It was a different world at the time. His only interest was to avoid another homeland catastrophe. Given the circumstances at the time, and the state of the intelligence, he could not know the nature of the threat or the possiblity of the repeat. He erred on the side of protecting the population.
4. You can't seriously be trotting out that worn out lie again, are you?

 

[rdean]

My bet is that 25 years from now you will find Bush 43 ranked somewhere near the middle. Depending upon how the war on terror plays out.

What will not change about Bush

1. He blundered in his decision to invade Iraq on bogus intelligence
2. He sat like a deer in the headlights as the economy crashed
3. He openly engaged in torture
4. He ignored Katrina

In the minds of Kool-Aid drinkers and sheeple - yes your right.

On your "points".
1) Congress also voted to go to war, this "bogus" intelligence "fooled" also the Prime Minister of Great Britian, France and ultimately the U.N.
2) The economy crashed 3 months before his Presidency ended.
3) He did nothing no other President has not done, including Obama.
4) Your opinion on this shows your true ignorance and blind partisanship in who/what really failed in this human disaster.

There was no "bogus" intel. That's an insult to our US Intelligence Agencies and the agents in the field. After Desert Storm, is there any thinking person anywhere in the world that believe we just "turned our back on Iraq and walked away"?????????

No one turns their back on an enemy you just knocked down. It's stupid beyond words to even consider that. We knew exactly what was in Iraq. The only one who didn't, apparently, was George Bush.

Bush thought he was making the "big decision". Typical right wing ideology. They "imagine" how something should happen based on "gut feeling" and "common sense". Does anyone really believe Bush understood anything about the Middle East? Bush really thought he would transform the Middle East, bring them democracy. Instead of them throwing shoes, he expected flowers and bits of hard candy.

He just assumed they want what we want. Well they didn't. There is no "America Appreciation Day". There is only, "Death to America" and worse, Iraq, by constitution is a right wing theocracy. The women are now "enslave" under Islam trapped in Burkas and the American right is so fucking stupid, they think women lived like that under Saddam. No one is saying Saddam was good, but he certainly was better than what we did and how we ruined that country for probably generations.

And Bush did things no other president has ever done. He fought two wars and cut taxes. Insane.

And he used to bully pulpit to get what he wanted. YOU ARE WITH US OR WITH THE TERRORISTS. The slime. Typical Republican leader.

 

[Zona]

My bet is that 25 years from now you will find Bush 43 ranked somewhere near the middle. Depending upon how the war on terror plays out.

What will not change about Bush

1. He blundered in his decision to invade Iraq on bogus intelligence
2. He sat like a deer in the headlights as the economy crashed
3. He openly engaged in torture
4. He ignored Katrina

I blame Obama and the 57 states.

 

[rightwinger]

My bet is that 25 years from now you will find Bush 43 ranked somewhere near the middle. Depending upon how the war on terror plays out.

What will not change about Bush

1. He blundered in his decision to invade Iraq on bogus intelligence
2. He sat like a deer in the headlights as the economy crashed
3. He openly engaged in torture
4. He ignored Katrina

In the minds of Kool-Aid drinkers and sheeple - yes your right.

On your "points".
1) Congress also voted to go to war, this "bogus" intelligence "fooled" also the Prime Minister of Great Britian, France and ultimately the U.N.
2) The economy crashed 3 months before his Presidency en) He did nothing no other President has not done, including Obama.
4) Your opinion on this shows your true ignorance and blind partisanship in who/what really failed in this human disaster.

1. Congress authorized Bush to go to war, the decision to pull the trigger was Bush's and Bush's alone. He was advised by UN security inspectors to hold off the invasion. He pulled the trigger before inspectors proved there were no WMDs

2. The economy crashed in August 2007. Bush denied it was crashing until 3 months before his presidency ended

3. He openly engaged in torture and held prisoners indefinitely with no charges and no rights to face their accusers

4. He did nothing as Americans struggled and begged for food and medical supplies. He had the helicopters to provide relief but allowed beaurocracy to hold them up while he declared "Brownie, your doing a heck of a job"