Hey Barack, why so socialist?

[MaggieMae]

"Social justice" is a myth. The only justice that matters is justice justice.
Well then grab your gun, and prove it.

Expropriating resources from the productive and giving them to those who did nothing to earn them is theft. Period.

Bullshit. The Constitution never would have been written in the first place if that were the case. What do you think "we the people" meant? Just you?

 

[Contumacious]

Excellent MaggieMae. Let's explain what that actually means.

In order to invoke the "Necessary and Proper Clause" (Article 1, Section 8, Clause 18 of the US Constitution), one must first demonstrate that the law in question is being directly applied to "the foregoing powers" specifically enumerated in Article 1 Section 8, or elsewhere in the Constitution. As bailout or healthcare are not specifically enumerated anywhere in the Constitution (at this time), the necessary and proper clause cannot be applied.

The same applies to the "general welfare clause". In order for something to be considered part of the "general welfare", it must first be shown to be a part of one of the specifically enumerated powers in Article 1 Section 8 or elsewhere in the Constitution.

As Obama himself has stated, the Constitution is a list of "negative rights" that tell us what the federal government and the states cannot do unless We The People have previously specifically authorized them to do so in the Constitution. Regardless of what it is, or how popular the "cause du jour" may be, lacking such specifically enumerated authorization, the government may not constitutionally do it. Period.

Where does it say that?

The bailouts had the "authorization" of Congress.

If the bailouts were illegal, why haven't they been challenged before the USSC?

Because the federal judiciary is corrupt to its core.

AIG officers , and similarly situated scumbags are not going to challenge the practice.

I, as a Taxpayer and a member of WE THE PEOPLE could but the scumbags in the federal courts will rule that they have no jurisdiction to entertain my complaint because I lack standing to challenge the practice. Go fig.

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[MaggieMae]

You whackos better go back to school if you think Obama's program is socialistic. What a bunch of toidistic thinking.

Is that like toadyistic? (A cult mentality, more than half of whom don't have a clue.)

 

[Ame®icano]

Hitler was not a socialist. He was smart enough to know that socialism does not work. He adopted an FDR type fascism. He placed private industry under heavy state control.

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"We demand that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens."

"Our nation can achieve permanent health only from within on the basis of the principle: The common interest before self-interest."

"We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age."

Who said it?

No, these are not Obama's quotes.

 

[Contumacious]

"social justice" is a myth. The only justice that matters is justice justice.
well then grab your gun, and prove it.

expropriating resources from the productive and giving them to those who did nothing to earn them is theft. Period.

bullshit. The constitution never would have been written in the first place if that were the case. What do you think "we the people" meant? Just you?

huh?

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[JakeStarkey]

You whackos better go back to school if you think Obama's program is socialistic. What a bunch of toidistic thinking.

Is that like toadyistic? (A cult mentality, more than half of whom don't have a clue.)

Closer to 90%.

 

[Contumacious]

Hitler was not a socialist. He was smart enough to know that socialism does not work. He adopted an FDR type fascism. He placed private industry under heavy state control.

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"Our nation can achieve permanent health only from within on the basis of the principle: The common interest before self-interest."

"We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age."

Who said it?

No, these are not Obama's quotes.

They were all part of the Nazi Party platform. If I recall correctly "insurance for old age" - social security - began under Bismarck.

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[Oddball]

"Social justice" is a myth. The only justice that matters is justice justice.


Expropriating resources from the productive and giving them to those who did nothing to earn them is theft. Period.

Bullshit. The Constitution never would have been written in the first place if that were the case. What do you think "we the people" meant? Just you?

Do the depths of your puerility know no bounds??

 

[The T]

"Social justice" is a myth. The only justice that matters is justice justice.


Expropriating resources from the productive and giving them to those who did nothing to earn them is theft. Period.

Bullshit. The Constitution never would have been written in the first place if that were the case. What do you think "we the people" meant? Just you?

Do the depths of your puerility know no bounds??

MaggotMae cannot help herself. She doesn't recognize the words of the Founders, otherwise she wouldn't have made such a twisted statement.

She probably hasn't read the Federalist papers becuase she doesn't subscribe to the words of some long-dead people that wrote the LAW that she so despises.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The far rightunfactoids are at least good for giggles.

 

[Oddball]

Speaking of puerile.

 

[Ame®icano]

Bullshit. The Constitution never would have been written in the first place if that were the case. What do you think "we the people" meant? Just you?

Do the depths of your puerility know no bounds??

MaggotMae cannot help herself. She doesn't recognize the words of the Founders, otherwise she wouldn't have made such a twisted statement.

She probably hasn't read the Federalist papers becuase she doesn't subscribe to the words of some long-dead people that wrote the LAW that she so despises.

Article 1 Section 8. specifically enumerates ALL of the powers that We The People have delegated to the Congress for the purposes of taxing and spending. Unless something is specifically enumerated in Article 1 Section 8 of the US Constitution, any expendatures for that item are unconstitutional on it's face.

Both Thomas Jefferson and James Madison wrote extensively that the "General Welfare Clause" applies to only those things specifically enumerated in Article 1 Section 8. If anyone wants to enumerate something more, there is Article 5 that explain how to do it.

 

[The T]

Do the depths of your puerility know no bounds??

MaggotMae cannot help herself. She doesn't recognize the words of the Founders, otherwise she wouldn't have made such a twisted statement.

She probably hasn't read the Federalist papers becuase she doesn't subscribe to the words of some long-dead people that wrote the LAW that she so despises.

Article 1 Section 8. specifically enumerates ALL of the powers that We The People have delegated to the Congress for the purposes of taxing and spending. Unless something is specifically enumerated in Article 1 Section 8 of the US Constitution, any expendatures for that item are unconstitutional on it's face.

Both Thomas Jefferson and James Madison wrote extensively that the "General Welfare Clause" applies to only those things specifically enumerated in Article 1 Section 8. If anyone wants to enumerate something more, there is Article 5 that explain how to do it.

Amen Brother...

"You must spread some Reputati0on around before giving it to Americano again"

 

[Oddball]

Everybody helmet up and strap in for the eternal inane "general welfare" stratagem.

 

[The T]

Everybody helmet up and strap in for the eternal inane "general welfare" stratagem.

Everytime I hear the musings with the 'General Welfare' crowd? I break out the chips and dip, and laugh my ass off at the constant mis-interpretation of that clause with these statists.

It is like watching a sad comedy to think people actually think it means what FDR, LBJ , and other Staist Libs have foisted unpon this Republic.

Context of the Clause is KEY...Few but true Conservatives understand the implications.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

"Social justice" is a myth. The only justice that matters is justice justice.
Well then grab your gun, and prove it.

Expropriating resources from the productive and giving them to those who did nothing to earn them is theft. Period.

Bullshit. The Constitution never would have been written in the first place if that were the case. What do you think "we the people" meant? Just you?

We the people means "Get off your fat ass and get a job instead of taking your neighbors shit!!!!!!!!"

What the fuck is wrong with you liberals!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Meister]

It's nothing but fearmongering. First it was OMG we gotta blow up everything in the Mideast before they blow us up!!! Now it's Socialism is Coming to Town. Bullshit. We are so far away from a true Socialist state, it would boggle your mind if you actually sat down and read some serious information on it.

Obama's No Socialist. I Should Know. - washingtonpost.com

Couple of excerpts:

The first clear indication that Obama is not, in fact, a socialist, is the way his administration is avoiding structural changes to the financial system. Nationalization is simply not in the playbook of Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and his team. They favor costly, temporary measures that can easily be dismantled should the economy stabilize. Socialists support nationalization and see it as a means of creating a banking system that acts like a highly regulated public utility. The banks would then cease to be sinkholes for public funds or financial versions of casinos and would become essential to reenergizing productive sectors of the economy.

The same holds true for health care. A national health insurance system as embodied in the single-payer health plan reintroduced in legislation this year by Rep. John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.), makes perfect sense to us. That bill would provide comprehensive coverage, offer a full range of choice of doctors and services and eliminate the primary cause of personal bankruptcy -- health-care bills. Obama's plan would do the opposite. By mandating that every person be insured, ObamaCare would give private health insurance companies license to systematically underinsure policyholders while cashing in on the moral currency of universal coverage. If Obama is a socialist, then on health care, he's doing a fairly good job of concealing it.

Maggie, what you posted is bullshit. I don't know if you truely believe that, or you think that I'm that stupid. The government had no legal right to intervene in the manner that they did with the lending, and auto industry....but they did, and what do you call that?In 20 years with the healthcare industry....or there abouts, you will see a total takeover of the industry....the free market just won't be able to compete with the government. The government does not have to worry about a bottom line, they just have to tax more, and still carry a negative sum...as in Medicare, SS. So don't shove that crap at me. I'm not fearmongering...I'm looking at reality. I'm a conservative, and your a liberal...that's the way it is.

Of course they had a "right" to intervene.

U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 8

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

Ummm, the key words to my statement was " to intervene in the manner which they did"...Maggie. They didn't have the right constitutionally.

 

[The T]

"Social justice" is a myth. The only justice that matters is justice justice.
Well then grab your gun, and prove it.

Expropriating resources from the productive and giving them to those who did nothing to earn them is theft. Period.

Bullshit. The Constitution never would have been written in the first place if that were the case. What do you think "we the people" meant? Just you?

We the people means "Get off your fat ass and get a job instead of taking your neighbors shit!!!!!!!!"

What the fuck is wrong with you liberals!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Many of the Statist Libs here think it's totally hunky-dory to STEAL from their Brothers and sisters.

Screw Earning anything by the sweat of their brow. The only sweat equity they have is walking out to the MAILBOX to get their Gubmint check of stolen goods.

 

[The T]

Maggie, what you posted is bullshit. I don't know if you truely believe that, or you think that I'm that stupid. The government had no legal right to intervene in the manner that they did with the lending, and auto industry....but they did, and what do you call that?In 20 years with the healthcare industry....or there abouts, you will see a total takeover of the industry....the free market just won't be able to compete with the government. The government does not have to worry about a bottom line, they just have to tax more, and still carry a negative sum...as in Medicare, SS. So don't shove that crap at me. I'm not fearmongering...I'm looking at reality. I'm a conservative, and your a liberal...that's the way it is.

Of course they had a "right" to intervene.

U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 8

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

Ummm, the key words to my statement was " to intervene in the manner which they did"...Maggie. They didn't have the right constitutionally.

You'll have to excuse Maggot-Mae...she only understands Theivery by the Government .

 

[Ame®icano]

Which is why I didn't get it. What evidence is there that Obama is deliberately plotting to take down the country? It's a stupid analogy. I could've sworn the Joker said it was his mother in The Dark Knight though...

The Joker told two different stories about his face. He is a LIAR, no one knows when he is being serious. He says one thing, then turns around and does the opposite.

Those are the things the Hussein has in common with him.

Um, boys, "The Joker" isn't real. And neither are the childish comparisons.

Neither is Captain Hook...