Hey Barack, why so socialist?

[Charles Stucker]

Those quotes sure do sound like a socialist ideologue. How can anyone say otherwise?

Henry Ford spread wealth around by paying his workers well. Without a need for unions. So the concept that wealth can grow from the bottom has some merit.
Talk however is cheap.
Those were words, and those words are not pure socialist.
Actions speak louder, and......
Darn I can't think of something positive to say.
Wait I can.

I'm positive the new Health Care Plan will prove a disaster if enacted.
A socialist scale disaster

 

[Ame®icano]

Those quotes sure do sound like a socialist ideologue. How can anyone say otherwise?

Henry Ford spread wealth around by paying his workers well. Without a need for unions. So the concept that wealth can grow from the bottom has some merit.
Talk however is cheap.
Those were words, and those words are not pure socialist.
Actions speak louder, and......
Darn I can't think of something positive to say.
Wait I can.

I'm positive the new Health Care Plan will prove a disaster if enacted.
A socialist scale disaster

True. Henry Ford also invented production line. He did the math and he made a fortune.

Now, if he paid his workers so well, what's the reason they unionized?

I guess it wasn't well or enough... or both, well enough.

 

[amrchaos]

“It’s not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they’ve got a chance for success too. My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody … I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”

"To avoid being mistaken for a white sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists."

"This is the moment when we must build on the wealth that open markets have created, and share its benefits more equitably. Trade has been a cornerstone of our growth and global development. But we will not be able to sustain this growth if it favors the few, and not the many."

"Judge me by the people with whom I surround myself."

I do Barack, and that's why I am asking...

Strange thing about this--I do enjoy the Joker/Obama propaganda that rightwingers are using.

It meets all the requirements for me as in good propaganda. Publicly tasteful, eyecatching, a simple yet subliminal meaning behind it. Plus, can be reprocessed and changed on a drop of a dime without damaging the meaning of the image.

Very goood--whomever came up with this is a master of the form. I bow to such simple yet tragically inspiring display of skill. Awe inspiring, is it not?

 

[MaggieMae]

Hitler was not a socialist. He was smart enough to know that socialism does not work. He adopted an FDR type fascism. He placed private industry under heavy state control.

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"Our nation can achieve permanent health only from within on the basis of the principle: The common interest before self-interest."

"We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age."

Who said it?

No, these are not Obama's quotes.

What a liar you are. The first and last quotes were made by Hitler; there is no reference at all to the middle quote, and there is NO reference to when and where Obama would have made those statements.

Gullible-itis has become a pandemic among the rabid right wing fringes. Pathetic.

 

[MaggieMae]

"social justice" is a myth. The only justice that matters is justice justice.
well then grab your gun, and prove it.

expropriating resources from the productive and giving them to those who did nothing to earn them is theft. Period.

bullshit. The constitution never would have been written in the first place if that were the case. What do you think "we the people" meant? Just you?

huh?

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It's a no-brainer, pal. You just proved you don't have one.

 

[MaggieMae]

Bullshit. The Constitution never would have been written in the first place if that were the case. What do you think "we the people" meant? Just you?

Do the depths of your puerility know no bounds??

MaggotMae cannot help herself. She doesn't recognize the words of the Founders, otherwise she wouldn't have made such a twisted statement.

She probably hasn't read the Federalist papers becuase she doesn't subscribe to the words of some long-dead people that wrote the LAW that she so despises.

If the framers had wanted the Federalist Papers to rule, they wouldn't have wasted time hand-writing the Constitution. Educate yourself, little man. And don't presume to "know" what I despise and what I don't, because I'm quite clear about that. For example, I despise ignorance, which I see on a daily basis on this board spewed by you and your ilk.

 

[MaggieMae]

Do the depths of your puerility know no bounds??

MaggotMae cannot help herself. She doesn't recognize the words of the Founders, otherwise she wouldn't have made such a twisted statement.

She probably hasn't read the Federalist papers becuase she doesn't subscribe to the words of some long-dead people that wrote the LAW that she so despises.

Article 1 Section 8. specifically enumerates ALL of the powers that We The People have delegated to the Congress for the purposes of taxing and spending. Unless something is specifically enumerated in Article 1 Section 8 of the US Constitution, any expendatures for that item are unconstitutional on it's face.

Both Thomas Jefferson and James Madison wrote extensively that the "General Welfare Clause" applies to only those things specifically enumerated in Article 1 Section 8. If anyone wants to enumerate something more, there is Article 5 that explain how to do it.

Too funny! I suppose then your interpretation means means that all seventeen original Articles are null and void until put to the test by further Articles? Odd that they wouldn't just spell that out, no? But frankly, if you're going to argue THAT silly point, then there ARE amendments and case law that define taxing and spending in furtherance of Article I.

And I wasn't referring to the "General Welfare Clause" for support. I specifically cited THE LAW within Article I. "We The People" stands on its face, dummy. Again, who do you think they meant by creating a new law of the land and designating it as belonging to WE the people?

 

[L.K.Eder]

Hitler was not a socialist. He was smart enough to know that socialism does not work. He adopted an FDR type fascism. He placed private industry under heavy state control.

.

"We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age."

Who said it?

No, these are not Obama's quotes.

What a liar you are. The first and last quotes were made by Hitler; there is no reference at all to the middle quote, and there is NO reference to when and where Obama would have made those statements.

Gullible-itis has become a pandemic among the rabid right wing fringes. Pathetic.

one could be a pedantic pinhead and call what that guy did "cynically cherry picking quotes to fit his obvious partisan bullshit agenda." hey, like the whole thread! awesome.

 

[MaggieMae]

Everybody helmet up and strap in for the eternal inane "general welfare" stratagem.

Everytime I hear the musings with the 'General Welfare' crowd? I break out the chips and dip, and laugh my ass off at the constant mis-interpretation of that clause with these statists.

It is like watching a sad comedy to think people actually think it means what FDR, LBJ , and other Staist Libs have foisted unpon this Republic.

Context of the Clause is KEY...Few but true Conservatives understand the implications.

So which part of the preamble (where the general welfare clause is found) is "key" for you? As if I didn't know. As per da Constitution's second amendment, ya need ta defend yersef aginst all them libruls, eh?

 

[MaggieMae]

"Social justice" is a myth. The only justice that matters is justice justice.
Well then grab your gun, and prove it.

Expropriating resources from the productive and giving them to those who did nothing to earn them is theft. Period.

Bullshit. The Constitution never would have been written in the first place if that were the case. What do you think "we the people" meant? Just you?

We the people means "Get off your fat ass and get a job instead of taking your neighbors shit!!!!!!!!"

What the fuck is wrong with you liberals!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jefferson and Madison do another turn...

 

[Oddball]

 

[MaggieMae]

Bullshit. The Constitution never would have been written in the first place if that were the case. What do you think "we the people" meant? Just you?

We the people means "Get off your fat ass and get a job instead of taking your neighbors shit!!!!!!!!"

What the fuck is wrong with you liberals!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Many of the Statist Libs here think it's totally hunky-dory to STEAL from their Brothers and sisters.

Screw Earning anything by the sweat of their brow. The only sweat equity they have is walking out to the MAILBOX to get their Gubmint check of stolen goods.

Who ran off with my 401K? Some right-wing fat cat who cares more about CORPORATE WELFARE than people, that's who. Don't even get me started on that, you ignoramus. Where was the trickle down? Why were salaries flat-lined for the past 8 years? Why were benefits reduced or cut? The new STARVE THE BEAST CONSERVATIVES were almost successful in accomplishing their agenda.

LIMITING GOVERNMENT: THE FAILURE OF "STARVE THE BEAST.". -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia

 

[Ame®icano]

Here is how typical Democrat see the Contitution:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00Xcqp46A64]YouTube - Judge Napolitano v James Clyburn Debating Constitutionality of Federal Health Care[/ame]

Rep. James Clyburn: "Constitution is a living document."

I couldn't agree more. If/when needs to be amended, there is an Article 5 that explains how to do it.

Until then, f*ck off.

 

[The T]

We the people means "Get off your fat ass and get a job instead of taking your neighbors shit!!!!!!!!"

What the fuck is wrong with you liberals!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Many of the Statist Libs here think it's totally hunky-dory to STEAL from their Brothers and sisters.

Screw Earning anything by the sweat of their brow. The only sweat equity they have is walking out to the MAILBOX to get their Gubmint check of stolen goods.

Who ran off with my 401K? Some right-wing fat cat who cares more about CORPORATE WELFARE than people, that's who. Don't even get me started on that, you ignoramus. Where was the trickle down? Why were salaries flat-lined for the past 8 years? Why were benefits reduced or cut? The new STARVE THE BEAST CONSERVATIVES were almost successful in accomplishing their agenda.

LIMITING GOVERNMENT: THE FAILURE OF "STARVE THE BEAST.". -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia

And what the HELL is a 401K? Methinks *YOU* should pay MORE attention to your friggin' investments, rather than inviting a Government that could care less of YOU nor care to learn WHOM you are.

When the HELL are people like YOU gonna take Responsibility for your OWN fuckin' decisions Maggot Mae?

I'll WAIT as you ponder that question you WUSS.

Think you are ALONE?

 

[MaggieMae]

Many of the Statist Libs here think it's totally hunky-dory to STEAL from their Brothers and sisters.

Screw Earning anything by the sweat of their brow. The only sweat equity they have is walking out to the MAILBOX to get their Gubmint check of stolen goods.

Who ran off with my 401K? Some right-wing fat cat who cares more about CORPORATE WELFARE than people, that's who. Don't even get me started on that, you ignoramus. Where was the trickle down? Why were salaries flat-lined for the past 8 years? Why were benefits reduced or cut? The new STARVE THE BEAST CONSERVATIVES were almost successful in accomplishing their agenda.

LIMITING GOVERNMENT: THE FAILURE OF "STARVE THE BEAST.". -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia

And what the HELL is a 401K? Methinks *YOU* should pay MORE attention to your friggin' investments, rather than inviting a Government that could care less of YOU nor care to learn WHOM you are.

When the HELL are people like YOU gonna take Responsibility for your OWN fuckin' decisions Maggot Mae?

I'll WAIT as you ponder that question you WUSS.

Think you are ALONE?

Hey MOUTH, I suggest you do a little homework on what a 401K is before you start trying to act smart instead of just smartASS.

 

[obama2ndterm]

You may not like Obama's tax plan, but it's not socialism



* Story | Obama's lead widens in latest Ipsos/McClatchy poll
By David Lightman and William Douglas | McClatchy Newspapers

ST. CHARLES, Mo. — "Make no mistake," Republican activist John Hancock told a John McCain rally in this St. Louis suburb, "this campaign is a referendum on socialism."

Republicans have been pounding that theme in recent days, even though Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama doesn't fit the definition of a socialist.

Critics point to Obama's plan to raise the top two tax rates on the wealthy as clear evidence of his socialist bent. However, Len Burman, the director of the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, said that while Obama "would make the tax system more progressive overall, it would not be a radical shift."

Favoring higher tax rates for the wealthy than for the less fortunate isn't socialism, and if it is, then the U.S. has been a socialist country for nearly a century, under both Democrats and Republicans.

"The answer is clearly no, Senator Obama is not a socialist," said Paul Beck, a professor of political science at The Ohio State University. "We've had a progressive tax system for some time, and both Republicans and Democrats have bought into it."

Socialism involves state ownership of the means of economic production and state-directed sharing of the wealth. America's democratic capitalist system is neither socialist nor pure free market; rather, it mixes the two, and it has at least since the progressive income tax was introduced 95 years ago. Under it, the wealthy pay higher income tax rates than those who are less fortunate do. It's a form of sharing the wealth.

Government intervenes in U.S. "free markets" all the time. The deduction that homeowners get for mortgage interest is one form, for it subsidizes housing. The Pentagon procurement that sustains U.S. defense contractors such as Boeing, Lockheed Martin and General Dynamics is another.

For that matter, President Bush and many other Republicans, including McCain, backed a massive federal government rescue of ailing financial institutions this fall, one that's committed more than $1 trillion so far to "private" banks, even taking partial state ownership of the nine biggest.

Socialism has been more popular in Europe, including in Great Britain, France, and Italy. In the United States, the term traditionally has been closely associated with communism, and thus claiming the socialist mantle has been political poison. Since World War II and the Cold War, American political candidates who advocate pure socialism rarely have gotten very far. Most notably, Sen. Bernard Sanders of Vermont was first elected to Congress in 1990 as a socialist, and remains one.

The new round of socialism claims was triggered by Obama's comments last week to "Joe the Plumber" Wurzelbacher in Toledo, Ohio.

Wurzelbacher told Obama that he hoped someday to buy a plumbing business, and worried that "Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?"

Key Bush administration tax cuts are due to expire on Jan. 1, 2011. Obama wants to end breaks for most individuals who earn more than $200,000 and for families that make more than $250,000; McCain does not. Obama's position would restore the top rates to what they were under President Clinton, when the economy boomed.

"It's not that I want to punish your success," the Illinois senator told Wurzelbacher. "I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for success, too. My attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody. . . . I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."

Republicans pounced, and they haven't stopped.

"You see," McCain said in his radio address Saturday, "he believes in redistributing wealth, not in policies that help us all make more of it.

"Joe, in his plainspoken way, said this sounded a lot like socialism, and a lot of Americans are thinking along those same lines. In the best case, spreading the wealth around is a familiar idea from the American left."

It was Bush and McCain — who claimed a central role in the drama — who pushed a trillion-dollar government plan to save ailing financial institutions, however.

"If we're moving toward socialism," Beck said, "it's a bipartisan event."

One of the major challenges the next president faces, former Federal Reserve Board Chairman and Obama backer Paul Volcker said Tuesday, is "how do we reprivatize institutions" that have been "socialized" by the Bush administration?

Many conservatives were uneasy about the bank bailout, but they argue that it's important to remember that "George Bush is not on the ballot," said Brent Littlefield of the American Conservative Union.

He pointed to Obama's tax ideas.

"It's a philosophical concept (Obama) has, and he made it clear when, unprompted, he talked about spreading the wealth around," Littlefield said.

Conservatives often charge that Democrats are engaging in "class warfare" when they want to raise tax rates on the rich — McCain and Palin have used the phrase to attack Obama — but they rarely find such fault when tax cuts disproportionately benefit the wealthy.

Nevertheless, the "socialist" charge against Obama sticks with some voters.

In Ohio, Sara Cannorozzi, who works for a Springfield promotional products business, explained that while her income is nowhere near the amount that would trigger a tax increase, she hopes it will be someday.

"Obama wants to talk about giving pieces of the pie to everyone, but he never wants to talk about growing the pie," she said. "I don't want to share my pie. If I earn it, I want to keep as much as I can."

 

[Meister]

When was this article written? Obama ran a centrist campaign, and has moved left, and it looks like this article is way outdated. but, be it not me to point that out to you. carry on....

 

[JakeStarkey]

The far right is now deflated with the news coming from the House of Representatives.

The reactionary contoids are truly irrelevant.

 

[obama2ndterm]

Again, I ask: Why does someone's personal religious beliefs get to infringe on mine or anyone else's rights? Abortion is legal, in case anyone forgot.

 

[MaggieMae]

When was this article written? Obama ran a centrist campaign, and has moved left, and it looks like this article is way outdated. but, be it not me to point that out to you. carry on....

How has he moved left? He promised a health care package, and he is trying to deliver one. But he didn't anticipate needing a stimulus package when he was campaigning. Obama has always strongly favored energy independence, and that's also on the table (with cap and trade probably not going to happen as part thereof). Obama is still strong on improving education standards; getting more kids into college; job training.

Those are all typical "Democratic" interests, which have long been ignored. Obama is no more "left" of center than he's ever been.