Help to write a Referendum on ACA Reform (based on Democratic Ballot Referendums)

[emilynghiem]

A. Here are sample Referendums that were on the Democratic Ballot for voting in the Primary:

The text of each ballot referendum is below:

• 
  Referendum 1:
  Should the Texas Legislature and the United States Congress pass an economic security and prosperity plan for families that includes higher incomes by raising the state minimum wage to a livable wage, passing the Paycheck Fairness Act to ensure equal pay for equal work, guaranteeing paid family leave to care for a child or ill loved one, fully funding public neighborhood schools, and making a debt-free community college education a reality for hardworking students?

• 
  Referendum 2:
  Should the Texas Legislature and the United States Congress pass criminal justice reform legislation that ensures equal justice throughout our society without respect to race, socioeconomic status, geographic location, or other factors unrelated to behavior, ensuring as well common sense policies to protect the rights of law enforcement officers, the community, and defendants in the criminal justice system?

• 
  Referendum 3:
  Should the Texas Legislature and the United States Congress encourage the transition to renewable, non-polluting energy as a means to slow down climate change and its impact on the planet?

• 
  Referendum 4:
  Should the United States Congress pass the new Voting Rights Advancement Act to protect all American voters?

• 
  Referendum 5:
  Should the Texas Legislature allow each public institution of higher education (not only private universities) to opt out of the ability to carry guns on campus?

• 
  Referendum 6:
  Should the United States Congress pass a just and fair comprehensive immigration reform solution that includes an earned path to citizenship for law-abiding immigrants and their children, keeps families together, protects DREAMers, and provides workforce solutions for businesses?

You can see how the propositions will look on a sample Travis County ballot here.

B. I would like to start this thread to propose a similar Referendum on how to revise the ACA mandates,
such as petitioning Congress or State Legislatures to rewrite an alternative that SEPARATES the mandates by PARTY in order to respect conflicting political beliefs and keep these from being imposed on the public.

Please no jokes such as Referendum 7: Kick everyone out of office who can't recognize a political belief and faith-based bias from their own behind. Enough of all that!

I want to write a serious BORING Referendum as above and shop it around to both parties to get an agreement going to separate the mandates by party (or reform the prison system to use those funds
for health care instead of charging more money to taxpayers, that's another possible Referendum?)

Please list any drafts or proposed Referendums you would add. Let's start from there.
Thanks!

 

[Arianrhod]

"Separates the mandate by party"? How exactly would you do that?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

A. Here are sample Referendums that were on the Democratic Ballot for voting in the Primary:

The text of each ballot referendum is below:

• 
  Referendum 1:
  Should the Texas Legislature and the United States Congress pass an economic security and prosperity plan for families that includes higher incomes by raising the state minimum wage to a livable wage, passing the Paycheck Fairness Act to ensure equal pay for equal work, guaranteeing paid family leave to care for a child or ill loved one, fully funding public neighborhood schools, and making a debt-free community college education a reality for hardworking students?

• 
  Referendum 2:
  Should the Texas Legislature and the United States Congress pass criminal justice reform legislation that ensures equal justice throughout our society without respect to race, socioeconomic status, geographic location, or other factors unrelated to behavior, ensuring as well common sense policies to protect the rights of law enforcement officers, the community, and defendants in the criminal justice system?

• 
  Referendum 3:
  Should the Texas Legislature and the United States Congress encourage the transition to renewable, non-polluting energy as a means to slow down climate change and its impact on the planet?

• 
  Referendum 4:
  Should the United States Congress pass the new Voting Rights Advancement Act to protect all American voters?

• 
  Referendum 5:
  Should the Texas Legislature allow each public institution of higher education (not only private universities) to opt out of the ability to carry guns on campus?

• 
  Referendum 6:
  Should the United States Congress pass a just and fair comprehensive immigration reform solution that includes an earned path to citizenship for law-abiding immigrants and their children, keeps families together, protects DREAMers, and provides workforce solutions for businesses?

You can see how the propositions will look on a sample Travis County ballot here.

B. I would like to start this thread to propose a similar Referendum on how to revise the ACA mandates,
such as petitioning Congress or State Legislatures to rewrite an alternative that SEPARATES the mandates by PARTY in order to respect conflicting political beliefs and keep these from being imposed on the public.

Please no jokes such as Referendum 7: Kick everyone out of office who can't recognize a political belief and faith-based bias from their own behind. Enough of all that!

I want to write a serious BORING Referendum as above and shop it around to both parties to get an agreement going to separate the mandates by party (or reform the prison system to use those funds
for health care instead of charging more money to taxpayers, that's another possible Referendum?)

Please list any drafts or proposed Referendums you would add. Let's start from there.
Thanks!

Why don't they just vote to return to slavery ?

 

[Arianrhod]

So...separating the mandate by party assumes that every single voter registered with that party belongs to some group mind. No possibility that there might be Democrats against the mandate and Republicans who are for it.

Then there's the matter of what you do about the approximately 51 million Americans who are eligible to vote but who aren't registered.

Then there are unaffiliated voters. What do you do about them?

And how do you "police" this referendum of yours? IOW, do you accost voters outside the voting booth and divide them into sheep and goats? Do you hire census-type workers to contact them at home and require them to state their party affiliation? How do you pay for all of this?

I have more questions, but those will do for starters.

 

[emilynghiem]

"Separates the mandate by party"? How exactly would you do that?

That's what I want to ask legislators and party leaders how to do.
How to take on this challenge of separating programs and funding after they've already been meshed together on a federal level.

That way, people can have, fund, and exercise their prolife and prochoice beliefs and not be threatened by the other. Like separating Hindus from Muslims to have their own community programs without dictating to each other what rules or rituals they should follow.

Since we can't agree, can't force people to change their beliefs, and aren't supposed to abuse govt to force people to compromise, why not separate?

The Catholics schools that teach about God, the Bible and prayer as part of their curricula are separate from public schools that are secular.

When we are we going to get smart and separate the social programs we don't agree on because of different beliefs; why not treat these as religions do and set up whole networks of national and international programs that serve broad populations, but keep it personal choice and private policy instead of mandating these through govt.

 

[emilynghiem]

A. Here are sample Referendums that were on the Democratic Ballot for voting in the Primary:

The text of each ballot referendum is below:

• 
  Referendum 1:
  Should the Texas Legislature and the United States Congress pass an economic security and prosperity plan for families that includes higher incomes by raising the state minimum wage to a livable wage, passing the Paycheck Fairness Act to ensure equal pay for equal work, guaranteeing paid family leave to care for a child or ill loved one, fully funding public neighborhood schools, and making a debt-free community college education a reality for hardworking students?

• 
  Referendum 2:
  Should the Texas Legislature and the United States Congress pass criminal justice reform legislation that ensures equal justice throughout our society without respect to race, socioeconomic status, geographic location, or other factors unrelated to behavior, ensuring as well common sense policies to protect the rights of law enforcement officers, the community, and defendants in the criminal justice system?

• 
  Referendum 3:
  Should the Texas Legislature and the United States Congress encourage the transition to renewable, non-polluting energy as a means to slow down climate change and its impact on the planet?

• 
  Referendum 4:
  Should the United States Congress pass the new Voting Rights Advancement Act to protect all American voters?

• 
  Referendum 5:
  Should the Texas Legislature allow each public institution of higher education (not only private universities) to opt out of the ability to carry guns on campus?

• 
  Referendum 6:
  Should the United States Congress pass a just and fair comprehensive immigration reform solution that includes an earned path to citizenship for law-abiding immigrants and their children, keeps families together, protects DREAMers, and provides workforce solutions for businesses?

You can see how the propositions will look on a sample Travis County ballot here.

B. I would like to start this thread to propose a similar Referendum on how to revise the ACA mandates,
such as petitioning Congress or State Legislatures to rewrite an alternative that SEPARATES the mandates by PARTY in order to respect conflicting political beliefs and keep these from being imposed on the public.

Please no jokes such as Referendum 7: Kick everyone out of office who can't recognize a political belief and faith-based bias from their own behind. Enough of all that!

I want to write a serious BORING Referendum as above and shop it around to both parties to get an agreement going to separate the mandates by party (or reform the prison system to use those funds
for health care instead of charging more money to taxpayers, that's another possible Referendum?)

Please list any drafts or proposed Referendums you would add. Let's start from there.
Thanks!

Why don't they just vote to return to slavery ?

Dear Sun Devil 92 One of the arguments AGAINST the ACA mandates is that it CREATES INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE.

The federal govt is using the mandates as another way to seize 1, 2 and now 2.5% of your income from labor or else dictate how you should spend your wages (on insurance not health care) in order to be exempted.

As pointed out, health care requires someone's labor or resources to provide; so when you start demanding that "health care is a right" you are demanding the labor and good created by other people be given to you for free or cheap enough for you to pay, where you expect the workers providing it to work at cost or for other people's money to pay for what you cannot afford. So that is still taking someone else's labor!

Now, Sun Devil 92 if this were VOLUNTARILY agreed to,
that is not slavery by VOLUNTEERING ie CHARITY.

Perfectly FINE for PEOPLE TO CHOOSE TO DONATE medical help to others, such as the medical professionals and donors who run Doctors Without Borders PURELY ON A VOLUNTARY BASIS. Nobody is forced by govt to either FUND that nonprofit or to participate in it.
It's all by FREE CHOICE and it works cost effectively as an award winning charity that has actually CREATED medical programs around the world.

But you are talking about the federal govt REQUIRING how we go about providing and paying for health care.

This used to be a FREE CHOICE to work out business or charity plans to serve the public health.

So taking that FREEDOM away and replacing it with REQUIRED membership in either hearth sharing or health insurance
IS A FORM A POLITICAL SLAVERY!

Thank you Sun Devil 92 the point you bring up goes BOTH WAYS.

 

[Arianrhod]

"Separates the mandate by party"? How exactly would you do that?

That's what I want to ask legislators and party leaders how to do.

They had decades to come up with a solution. They punted. Even after the PPACA was passed, they kept claiming they had a solution. Where is it? As recently as when Paul Ryan took over as Speaker, he announced they had a plan. Where is it?

None of which addresses how you'd herd people into the proper categories on the outside chance that your referendum became an actuality.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

A. Here are sample Referendums that were on the Democratic Ballot for voting in the Primary:

The text of each ballot referendum is below:

• 
  Referendum 1:
  Should the Texas Legislature and the United States Congress pass an economic security and prosperity plan for families that includes higher incomes by raising the state minimum wage to a livable wage, passing the Paycheck Fairness Act to ensure equal pay for equal work, guaranteeing paid family leave to care for a child or ill loved one, fully funding public neighborhood schools, and making a debt-free community college education a reality for hardworking students?

• 
  Referendum 2:
  Should the Texas Legislature and the United States Congress pass criminal justice reform legislation that ensures equal justice throughout our society without respect to race, socioeconomic status, geographic location, or other factors unrelated to behavior, ensuring as well common sense policies to protect the rights of law enforcement officers, the community, and defendants in the criminal justice system?

• 
  Referendum 3:
  Should the Texas Legislature and the United States Congress encourage the transition to renewable, non-polluting energy as a means to slow down climate change and its impact on the planet?

• 
  Referendum 4:
  Should the United States Congress pass the new Voting Rights Advancement Act to protect all American voters?

• 
  Referendum 5:
  Should the Texas Legislature allow each public institution of higher education (not only private universities) to opt out of the ability to carry guns on campus?

• 
  Referendum 6:
  Should the United States Congress pass a just and fair comprehensive immigration reform solution that includes an earned path to citizenship for law-abiding immigrants and their children, keeps families together, protects DREAMers, and provides workforce solutions for businesses?

You can see how the propositions will look on a sample Travis County ballot here.

B. I would like to start this thread to propose a similar Referendum on how to revise the ACA mandates,
such as petitioning Congress or State Legislatures to rewrite an alternative that SEPARATES the mandates by PARTY in order to respect conflicting political beliefs and keep these from being imposed on the public.

Please no jokes such as Referendum 7: Kick everyone out of office who can't recognize a political belief and faith-based bias from their own behind. Enough of all that!

I want to write a serious BORING Referendum as above and shop it around to both parties to get an agreement going to separate the mandates by party (or reform the prison system to use those funds
for health care instead of charging more money to taxpayers, that's another possible Referendum?)

Please list any drafts or proposed Referendums you would add. Let's start from there.
Thanks!

Why don't they just vote to return to slavery ?

Dear Sun Devil 92 One of the arguments AGAINST the ACA mandates is that it CREATES INVOLUNTARY SERVITUDE.

The federal govt is using the mandates as another way to seize 1, 2 and now 2.5% of your income from labor or else dictate how you should spend your wages (on insurance not health care) in order to be exempted.

As pointed out, health care requires someone's labor or resources to provide; so when you start demanding that "health care is a right" you are demanding the labor and good created by other people be given to you for free or cheap enough for you to pay, where you expect the workers providing it to work at cost or for other people's money to pay for what you cannot afford. So that is still taking someone else's labor!

Now, Sun Devil 92 if this were VOLUNTARILY agreed to,
that is not slavery by VOLUNTEERING ie CHARITY.

Perfectly FINE for PEOPLE TO CHOOSE TO DONATE medical help to others, such as the medical professionals and donors who run Doctors Without Borders PURELY ON A VOLUNTARY BASIS. Nobody is forced by govt to either FUND that nonprofit or to participate in it.
It's all by FREE CHOICE and it works cost effectively as an award winning charity that has actually CREATED medical programs around the world.

But you are talking about the federal govt REQUIRING how we go about providing and paying for health care.

This used to be a FREE CHOICE to work out business or charity plans to serve the public health.

So taking that FREEDOM away and replacing it with REQUIRED membership in either hearth sharing or health insurance
IS A FORM A POLITICAL SLAVERY!

Thank you Sun Devil 92 the point you bring up goes BOTH WAYS.

We agree.