Hell YES! Unions!

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(WSJ) — Detroit was once America’s fourth largest city, though today large sections of its inner core are abandoned to the elements, and monuments like Michigan Central Station are returning to dust. Another emblem of civic decline is a plan to desert nearly half of Detroit’s public schools so that it can afford to fulfill its teachers union contract.
The school district is facing a $327 million deficit and has already closed 59 schools over the last two years to avoid paying maintenance, utility and operating costs. Under a worst-case scenario released this week by Robert Bobb, an emergency financial manager appointed by the state to resolve the Detroit education fisc, the district will close another 70 of its remaining 142 schools to save $31.3 million through 2013.
“Additional savings of approximately $12.4 million can be achieved from school closures if the District simply abandons the closed buildings,” the proposal explains, purging costs like boarding up buildings, storage and security patrols.
Steven Wasko, a spokesman for Mr. Bobb, said that urban property sales have been difficult, in part because until recently the state board of education banned transactions with “competing educational institutions” like charter schools. Once buildings are deserted, even if the doors and windows are welded shut with protective metal covers, scavengers break in and dismantle them for copper wire, pipes and so on.
Under the emergency plan, consolidated high-school class sizes would increase to 62 by 2014, “consistent with what students would expect in large university settings.” Yet under the terms of the Detroit Federation of Teachers contract, the district must pay bonuses for class enrollment over 35, thus imposing some $11.1 million in new costs through 2014.
Note that this dispensation carries about the same price tag as the school abandonment windfall: In other words, Detroit may end up destroying serviceable capital assets so it can pay its public workers more over the short term.
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OMG, I was telling someone the other day people who work for Grocery Stores and Fast Food need to organize. Auto workers did it and those auto companies had to pay profit sharing, fair wages, healthcare and even pensions. Now I'm not asking McD to give pensions or even 401K matching but they could pay better or give profit sharing when they make a profit. Sick days, vacation days, maternaty leave. It would be great if MCD and Walmart jobs turned out to be good paying jobs for blue collar workers. That would be a dream.

But, this is another example of why us voters are fucking idiots for voting Republican. We allowed Bush and Trump to pack the courts with right wing nut jobs.

The Trump Labor Board Is Making It Harder For Fast-Food Workers To Unionize | HuffPost

And what have we seen over the past few decades? We've seen a court that favors corporations over We the People every time.

The National Labor Relations Board is releasing a long-awaited rule that will make it harder for workers in fast food and other industries to bargain collectively, delivering another win for employers and a setback to worker groups.

The regulation will limit the scenarios under which corporations are considered “joint employers” alongside other companies they have a relationship with. For example, McDonald’s would likely not qualify as a joint employer with its franchisees, making it tougher for workers at different franchised restaurants to join together as employees of McDonald’s.

The new rule reverses a determination made five years ago, when the board had a majority of Democrats and tended to rule in favor of workers.

The previous, looser definition of joint employment had infuriated the fast-food industry because it put companies like McDonald’s and Burger King potentially on the hook for labor violations in franchised restaurants. It also opened the door to workers across entire brands coming together to improve their working conditions and possibly unionize.


See folks, Republicans are anti worker. This is just one way they've held wages down. And they've been attacking unions hard since 2000. Just watch all the anti union Republicans that will chime in next.

For example, McDonald’s would likely not qualify as a joint employer with its franchisees, making it tougher for workers at different franchised restaurants to join together as employees of McDonald’s.

Wow!
A common sense rule.

It's not common sense. It's bullshit. McD workers should be able to organize collectively against McD. HQ and Franchise owners. This just hurt workers. But of course you love that. You don't really want workers making more. We remember you hated Big 3 auto workers for how much they were being paid.

You, and the Supreme Court, will always side with corporations over workers. You love it that the corporations own the Supremes and that means labor is fucked.

No coincidence as union numbers went from 35% of the American workforce down to 10%,

In 2013 there were 14.5 million members in the U.S., compared with 17.7 million in 1983. In 2013, the percentage of workers belonging to a union was 11.3%, compared to 20.1% in 1983. The rate for the private sector was 6.4%

Today only 10% of American workers are in unions. And ever since this attack on unions, wag es have gone down. The middle class is not as well off today as they were when unions were strong. So don't blame Democrats for the struggling middle class when Republicans are anti labor and when corporations own Republicans.

I know nothing about McDonalds. But, I owned a Midas franchise for 13 years. I ran my business 100%. Midas had nothing to do with it.

Mark

Well if Midas wasn't paying it's employees well and they were making a huge profit I would like to see the workers organize and force you to pay them better. But I get the feeling people who work at Midas don't require much pay and those franchises probably don't make very much.

According to Business Insider, the average McDonald's restaurant takes in around $2.7 million a year in sales. ... Some McDonald's franchise owners are naturally going to make more than others, but most franchise owners still pull in an estimated yearly profit of roughly $150,000

mcd franchises make yearly - Google Search

Ok, so after seeing this, I don't think McD workers should organize. If the owner is only making $150,000 a year they shouldn't be making more than $10 hr.


What about Walmart?

With fiscal year 2019 revenue of $514.4 billion, Walmart employs over 2.2 million associates worldwide.

Walmart had a total of 11,766 stores throughout the world as of 2019.

What I like about Walmart and McD employees organizing is that these companies can't send the jobs overseas like car companies did. That's how they broke the UAW. If they were allowed to ship jobs overseas without being tariffed. If only Trump was president back in the 2000's when Bush was letting 750,000 jobs a month go overseas and not a peep out of him. They loved it because those were high paying union jobs.

What about Walmart?

With fiscal year 2019 revenue of $514.4 billion, Walmart employs over 2.2 million associates worldwide.

Why does their revenue matter?

What I like about Walmart and McD employees organizing is that these companies can't send the jobs overseas like car companies did.

Right. If you raise their costs too much, they'll just go out of business.

 

[sealybobo]

OMG, I was telling someone the other day people who work for Grocery Stores and Fast Food need to organize. Auto workers did it and those auto companies had to pay profit sharing, fair wages, healthcare and even pensions. Now I'm not asking McD to give pensions or even 401K matching but they could pay better or give profit sharing when they make a profit. Sick days, vacation days, maternaty leave. It would be great if MCD and Walmart jobs turned out to be good paying jobs for blue collar workers. That would be a dream.

But, this is another example of why us voters are fucking idiots for voting Republican. We allowed Bush and Trump to pack the courts with right wing nut jobs.

The Trump Labor Board Is Making It Harder For Fast-Food Workers To Unionize | HuffPost

And what have we seen over the past few decades? We've seen a court that favors corporations over We the People every time.

The National Labor Relations Board is releasing a long-awaited rule that will make it harder for workers in fast food and other industries to bargain collectively, delivering another win for employers and a setback to worker groups.

The regulation will limit the scenarios under which corporations are considered “joint employers” alongside other companies they have a relationship with. For example, McDonald’s would likely not qualify as a joint employer with its franchisees, making it tougher for workers at different franchised restaurants to join together as employees of McDonald’s.

The new rule reverses a determination made five years ago, when the board had a majority of Democrats and tended to rule in favor of workers.

The previous, looser definition of joint employment had infuriated the fast-food industry because it put companies like McDonald’s and Burger King potentially on the hook for labor violations in franchised restaurants. It also opened the door to workers across entire brands coming together to improve their working conditions and possibly unionize.


See folks, Republicans are anti worker. This is just one way they've held wages down. And they've been attacking unions hard since 2000. Just watch all the anti union Republicans that will chime in next.

For example, McDonald’s would likely not qualify as a joint employer with its franchisees, making it tougher for workers at different franchised restaurants to join together as employees of McDonald’s.

Wow!
A common sense rule.

It's not common sense. It's bullshit. McD workers should be able to organize collectively against McD. HQ and Franchise owners. This just hurt workers. But of course you love that. You don't really want workers making more. We remember you hated Big 3 auto workers for how much they were being paid.

You, and the Supreme Court, will always side with corporations over workers. You love it that the corporations own the Supremes and that means labor is fucked.

No coincidence as union numbers went from 35% of the American workforce down to 10%,

In 2013 there were 14.5 million members in the U.S., compared with 17.7 million in 1983. In 2013, the percentage of workers belonging to a union was 11.3%, compared to 20.1% in 1983. The rate for the private sector was 6.4%

Today only 10% of American workers are in unions. And ever since this attack on unions, wages have gone down. The middle class is not as well off today as they were when unions were strong. So don't blame Democrats for the struggling middle class when Republicans are anti labor and when corporations own Republicans.

They should be so pissed they go out and get a real job!!!

If they could then those companies would be forced to pay better. But the truth is probably that those are the best jobs available. Back when I was growing up you could go get a good paying union job with a high school degree. Those jobs are gone. MAGA? We were great when a guy like my dad (high school drop out foreigner) could go to Ford, get paid great, great benefits, pension, a union to protect him from being fired. Unions built the biggest and best middle class the world has ever seen. You trickle down Republicans have never created a middle class like we did. Also add in the GI Bill, social security and medicare. WE created the time when America was great for the masses. America was great before the new deal but the middle class and poor struggled. After the New Deal and unions the middle class boomed. Of course the top 1% didn't like it and they took back all those gains starting in the late 60's.

Are Wages Rising or Flat?

To hear politicians tell it, wages are rising at the fastest rate in a decade, are the same as they were 45 years ago and are at a 60-year low. And all three claims could be correct, depending on what measure is used to justify it.

“There’s not necessarily one way [to look at wages] and that’s why you can get all the conflicting claims

The bottom line, as shown in the graph below from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, is that real wages over the long-term peaked in the early 1970s, before generally falling over the next few decades and then beginning to climb back up starting in the mid-1990s.

President Donald Trump said that “wages are rising at the fastest rate in a decade.”

During Obama’s last four years in office the average weekly earnings for production and nonsupervisory workers went up 4.9%. Over Obama’s entire two-term tenure, wages were up 4.2%.

Over President George W. Bush’s eight years in office, wages also increased by 4.2%, and under President Bill Clinton, they went up by 6.4%. Those figures are up 2.3% under Trump, 3.9% under Obama’s second term and 4% over his eight years in office.) HE WAS DEALING WITH THE GREAT RECESSION!!!

Now, let’s turn to Trump’s second claim: “Wages are rising at the fastest rate in many decades.” That’s not correct, but it’s close — it’s the fastest rate in about one decade, when looking at nominal hourly wages year-to-year.

Last fall, newspaper headlines touted this news. At the time the 12-month percentage change in nominal average hourly earnings for all workers and the rank-and-file topped 3% in August 2018 and has remained above 3% since, according to BLS. That’s the highest rate since it topped 3% in late 2008 and early 2009.

But this 3% nominal growth was significant. In recent years, as the economy recovered from the 2007-2009 Great Recession, economists have been bemoaning slower wage growth than would be expected as other measures, such as employment, improved. “Wage growth is definitively accelerating. Employers are now struggling to fill open positions and have no choice but to raise wages quickly.”

But 3% isn’t the fastest nominal rate “in many decades,” as Trump said. In fact, the 12-month growth topped 4% for most of 2007, 2001 and 1998. The current growth, Shambaugh said, is “still a little below … what you think a roaring economy might get you.” The growth is “good,” he said, but “not unprecedented, not historically great.”

There’s also support for the president’s claim that wages are “rising the fastest for the lowest income Americans.”

The EPI report, however, noted the sizable percentage gains at the upper percentiles over a longer period of time, such as since the Great Recession, and it found greater 2017-2018 gains among low-wage workers in states that had increased the minimum wage.

workers are getting a smaller share of the economic pie than they used to.”

If we want to know if wages are higher or lower than they used to be or how they’ve grown, we’d look at the inflation-adjusted figures, as we did above. It’s a reminder to voters that these talking points about wages can be more complicated than they appear, and they don’t always tell the whole story.

Yeah....unions were so great they drove the companies out of the northeastern US.

Knew a guy in Missouri making $189,000 a year with OT on the Ford assembly line.
Thats BULLSHIT!!!! And people wonder why car prices are so fucking high.

Of course they did you stupid fuck. They insisted the employees pay well.

And they didn't drive them out of the northeast you fucking idiots! If those jobs went to Kentucky instead of Mexico and China I would agree with you. But do you notice even those fucking rednecks in red states wanted too much? Notice the corporations didn't ship jobs to Arkansas? They bypassed the ignorant south and went to Mexico and China. And I remember in the 2000's you stupid fucks defended it. You said you liked the cheap prices. It took Trump to say what we were saying for you to wake up. OMG.

Why are Toyota's and Honda's so expensive? They're made in the south. I don't see much price difference do you?

Toyota Camry $25K
Fusion $24K

 

[sealybobo]

OMG, I was telling someone the other day people who work for Grocery Stores and Fast Food need to organize. Auto workers did it and those auto companies had to pay profit sharing, fair wages, healthcare and even pensions. Now I'm not asking McD to give pensions or even 401K matching but they could pay better or give profit sharing when they make a profit. Sick days, vacation days, maternaty leave. It would be great if MCD and Walmart jobs turned out to be good paying jobs for blue collar workers. That would be a dream.

But, this is another example of why us voters are fucking idiots for voting Republican. We allowed Bush and Trump to pack the courts with right wing nut jobs.

The Trump Labor Board Is Making It Harder For Fast-Food Workers To Unionize | HuffPost

And what have we seen over the past few decades? We've seen a court that favors corporations over We the People every time.

The National Labor Relations Board is releasing a long-awaited rule that will make it harder for workers in fast food and other industries to bargain collectively, delivering another win for employers and a setback to worker groups.

The regulation will limit the scenarios under which corporations are considered “joint employers” alongside other companies they have a relationship with. For example, McDonald’s would likely not qualify as a joint employer with its franchisees, making it tougher for workers at different franchised restaurants to join together as employees of McDonald’s.

The new rule reverses a determination made five years ago, when the board had a majority of Democrats and tended to rule in favor of workers.

The previous, looser definition of joint employment had infuriated the fast-food industry because it put companies like McDonald’s and Burger King potentially on the hook for labor violations in franchised restaurants. It also opened the door to workers across entire brands coming together to improve their working conditions and possibly unionize.


See folks, Republicans are anti worker. This is just one way they've held wages down. And they've been attacking unions hard since 2000. Just watch all the anti union Republicans that will chime in next.

For example, McDonald’s would likely not qualify as a joint employer with its franchisees, making it tougher for workers at different franchised restaurants to join together as employees of McDonald’s.

Wow!
A common sense rule.

It's not common sense. It's bullshit. McD workers should be able to organize collectively against McD. HQ and Franchise owners. This just hurt workers. But of course you love that. You don't really want workers making more. We remember you hated Big 3 auto workers for how much they were being paid.

You, and the Supreme Court, will always side with corporations over workers. You love it that the corporations own the Supremes and that means labor is fucked.

No coincidence as union numbers went from 35% of the American workforce down to 10%,

In 2013 there were 14.5 million members in the U.S., compared with 17.7 million in 1983. In 2013, the percentage of workers belonging to a union was 11.3%, compared to 20.1% in 1983. The rate for the private sector was 6.4%

Today only 10% of American workers are in unions. And ever since this attack on unions, wag es have gone down. The middle class is not as well off today as they were when unions were strong. So don't blame Democrats for the struggling middle class when Republicans are anti labor and when corporations own Republicans.

I know nothing about McDonalds. But, I owned a Midas franchise for 13 years. I ran my business 100%. Midas had nothing to do with it.

Mark

Well if Midas wasn't paying it's employees well and they were making a huge profit I would like to see the workers organize and force you to pay them better. But I get the feeling people who work at Midas don't require much pay and those franchises probably don't make very much.

According to Business Insider, the average McDonald's restaurant takes in around $2.7 million a year in sales. ... Some McDonald's franchise owners are naturally going to make more than others, but most franchise owners still pull in an estimated yearly profit of roughly $150,000

mcd franchises make yearly - Google Search

Ok, so after seeing this, I don't think McD workers should organize. If the owner is only making $150,000 a year they shouldn't be making more than $10 hr.


What about Walmart?

With fiscal year 2019 revenue of $514.4 billion, Walmart employs over 2.2 million associates worldwide.

Walmart had a total of 11,766 stores throughout the world as of 2019.

What I like about Walmart and McD employees organizing is that these companies can't send the jobs overseas like car companies did. That's how they broke the UAW. If they were allowed to ship jobs overseas without being tariffed. If only Trump was president back in the 2000's when Bush was letting 750,000 jobs a month go overseas and not a peep out of him. They loved it because those were high paying union jobs.

What about Walmart?

With fiscal year 2019 revenue of $514.4 billion, Walmart employs over 2.2 million associates worldwide.

Why does their revenue matter?

What I like about Walmart and McD employees organizing is that these companies can't send the jobs overseas like car companies did.

Right. If you raise their costs too much, they'll just go out of business.

No one said raise their costs TOO MUCH. What's TOO MUCH? Define that.

They're very profitable. They should share those profits with employees. Instead, a lot of Walmart employees are on foodstamps. Where do you think those employees spend their food stamps dollars? At Walmart. It's a brilliant business model if we allow it.

 

[Brain357]

For example, McDonald’s would likely not qualify as a joint employer with its franchisees, making it tougher for workers at different franchised restaurants to join together as employees of McDonald’s.

Wow!
A common sense rule.

It's not common sense. It's bullshit. McD workers should be able to organize collectively against McD. HQ and Franchise owners. This just hurt workers. But of course you love that. You don't really want workers making more. We remember you hated Big 3 auto workers for how much they were being paid.

You, and the Supreme Court, will always side with corporations over workers. You love it that the corporations own the Supremes and that means labor is fucked.

No coincidence as union numbers went from 35% of the American workforce down to 10%,

In 2013 there were 14.5 million members in the U.S., compared with 17.7 million in 1983. In 2013, the percentage of workers belonging to a union was 11.3%, compared to 20.1% in 1983. The rate for the private sector was 6.4%

Today only 10% of American workers are in unions. And ever since this attack on unions, wag es have gone down. The middle class is not as well off today as they were when unions were strong. So don't blame Democrats for the struggling middle class when Republicans are anti labor and when corporations own Republicans.

I know nothing about McDonalds. But, I owned a Midas franchise for 13 years. I ran my business 100%. Midas had nothing to do with it.

Mark

Well if Midas wasn't paying it's employees well and they were making a huge profit I would like to see the workers organize and force you to pay them better. But I get the feeling people who work at Midas don't require much pay and those franchises probably don't make very much.

According to Business Insider, the average McDonald's restaurant takes in around $2.7 million a year in sales. ... Some McDonald's franchise owners are naturally going to make more than others, but most franchise owners still pull in an estimated yearly profit of roughly $150,000

mcd franchises make yearly - Google Search

Ok, so after seeing this, I don't think McD workers should organize. If the owner is only making $150,000 a year they shouldn't be making more than $10 hr.


What about Walmart?

With fiscal year 2019 revenue of $514.4 billion, Walmart employs over 2.2 million associates worldwide.

Walmart had a total of 11,766 stores throughout the world as of 2019.

What I like about Walmart and McD employees organizing is that these companies can't send the jobs overseas like car companies did. That's how they broke the UAW. If they were allowed to ship jobs overseas without being tariffed. If only Trump was president back in the 2000's when Bush was letting 750,000 jobs a month go overseas and not a peep out of him. They loved it because those were high paying union jobs.

What about Walmart?

With fiscal year 2019 revenue of $514.4 billion, Walmart employs over 2.2 million associates worldwide.

Why does their revenue matter?

What I like about Walmart and McD employees organizing is that these companies can't send the jobs overseas like car companies did.

Right. If you raise their costs too much, they'll just go out of business.

No one said raise their costs TOO MUCH. What's TOO MUCH? Define that.

They're very profitable. They should share those profits with employees. Instead, a lot of Walmart employees are on foodstamps. Where do you think those employees spend their food stamps dollars? At Walmart. It's a brilliant business model if we allow it.

Repubs love corporate socialism.

 

[sealybobo]

It's not common sense. It's bullshit. McD workers should be able to organize collectively against McD. HQ and Franchise owners. This just hurt workers. But of course you love that. You don't really want workers making more. We remember you hated Big 3 auto workers for how much they were being paid.

You, and the Supreme Court, will always side with corporations over workers. You love it that the corporations own the Supremes and that means labor is fucked.

No coincidence as union numbers went from 35% of the American workforce down to 10%,

In 2013 there were 14.5 million members in the U.S., compared with 17.7 million in 1983. In 2013, the percentage of workers belonging to a union was 11.3%, compared to 20.1% in 1983. The rate for the private sector was 6.4%

Today only 10% of American workers are in unions. And ever since this attack on unions, wag es have gone down. The middle class is not as well off today as they were when unions were strong. So don't blame Democrats for the struggling middle class when Republicans are anti labor and when corporations own Republicans.

I know nothing about McDonalds. But, I owned a Midas franchise for 13 years. I ran my business 100%. Midas had nothing to do with it.

Mark

Well if Midas wasn't paying it's employees well and they were making a huge profit I would like to see the workers organize and force you to pay them better. But I get the feeling people who work at Midas don't require much pay and those franchises probably don't make very much.

According to Business Insider, the average McDonald's restaurant takes in around $2.7 million a year in sales. ... Some McDonald's franchise owners are naturally going to make more than others, but most franchise owners still pull in an estimated yearly profit of roughly $150,000

mcd franchises make yearly - Google Search

Ok, so after seeing this, I don't think McD workers should organize. If the owner is only making $150,000 a year they shouldn't be making more than $10 hr.


What about Walmart?

With fiscal year 2019 revenue of $514.4 billion, Walmart employs over 2.2 million associates worldwide.

Walmart had a total of 11,766 stores throughout the world as of 2019.

What I like about Walmart and McD employees organizing is that these companies can't send the jobs overseas like car companies did. That's how they broke the UAW. If they were allowed to ship jobs overseas without being tariffed. If only Trump was president back in the 2000's when Bush was letting 750,000 jobs a month go overseas and not a peep out of him. They loved it because those were high paying union jobs.

What about Walmart?

With fiscal year 2019 revenue of $514.4 billion, Walmart employs over 2.2 million associates worldwide.

Why does their revenue matter?

What I like about Walmart and McD employees organizing is that these companies can't send the jobs overseas like car companies did.

Right. If you raise their costs too much, they'll just go out of business.

No one said raise their costs TOO MUCH. What's TOO MUCH? Define that.

They're very profitable. They should share those profits with employees. Instead, a lot of Walmart employees are on foodstamps. Where do you think those employees spend their food stamps dollars? At Walmart. It's a brilliant business model if we allow it.

Repubs love corporate socialism.

If Trump told them Walmart was wrong for doing this, they'd understand but it would have to come from him. They only listen to him or whoever the Republican in charge is.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

For example, McDonald’s would likely not qualify as a joint employer with its franchisees, making it tougher for workers at different franchised restaurants to join together as employees of McDonald’s.

Wow!
A common sense rule.

It's not common sense. It's bullshit. McD workers should be able to organize collectively against McD. HQ and Franchise owners. This just hurt workers. But of course you love that. You don't really want workers making more. We remember you hated Big 3 auto workers for how much they were being paid.

You, and the Supreme Court, will always side with corporations over workers. You love it that the corporations own the Supremes and that means labor is fucked.

No coincidence as union numbers went from 35% of the American workforce down to 10%,

In 2013 there were 14.5 million members in the U.S., compared with 17.7 million in 1983. In 2013, the percentage of workers belonging to a union was 11.3%, compared to 20.1% in 1983. The rate for the private sector was 6.4%

Today only 10% of American workers are in unions. And ever since this attack on unions, wages have gone down. The middle class is not as well off today as they were when unions were strong. So don't blame Democrats for the struggling middle class when Republicans are anti labor and when corporations own Republicans.

They should be so pissed they go out and get a real job!!!

If they could then those companies would be forced to pay better. But the truth is probably that those are the best jobs available. Back when I was growing up you could go get a good paying union job with a high school degree. Those jobs are gone. MAGA? We were great when a guy like my dad (high school drop out foreigner) could go to Ford, get paid great, great benefits, pension, a union to protect him from being fired. Unions built the biggest and best middle class the world has ever seen. You trickle down Republicans have never created a middle class like we did. Also add in the GI Bill, social security and medicare. WE created the time when America was great for the masses. America was great before the new deal but the middle class and poor struggled. After the New Deal and unions the middle class boomed. Of course the top 1% didn't like it and they took back all those gains starting in the late 60's.

Are Wages Rising or Flat?

To hear politicians tell it, wages are rising at the fastest rate in a decade, are the same as they were 45 years ago and are at a 60-year low. And all three claims could be correct, depending on what measure is used to justify it.

“There’s not necessarily one way [to look at wages] and that’s why you can get all the conflicting claims

The bottom line, as shown in the graph below from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, is that real wages over the long-term peaked in the early 1970s, before generally falling over the next few decades and then beginning to climb back up starting in the mid-1990s.

President Donald Trump said that “wages are rising at the fastest rate in a decade.”

During Obama’s last four years in office the average weekly earnings for production and nonsupervisory workers went up 4.9%. Over Obama’s entire two-term tenure, wages were up 4.2%.

Over President George W. Bush’s eight years in office, wages also increased by 4.2%, and under President Bill Clinton, they went up by 6.4%. Those figures are up 2.3% under Trump, 3.9% under Obama’s second term and 4% over his eight years in office.) HE WAS DEALING WITH THE GREAT RECESSION!!!

Now, let’s turn to Trump’s second claim: “Wages are rising at the fastest rate in many decades.” That’s not correct, but it’s close — it’s the fastest rate in about one decade, when looking at nominal hourly wages year-to-year.

Last fall, newspaper headlines touted this news. At the time the 12-month percentage change in nominal average hourly earnings for all workers and the rank-and-file topped 3% in August 2018 and has remained above 3% since, according to BLS. That’s the highest rate since it topped 3% in late 2008 and early 2009.

But this 3% nominal growth was significant. In recent years, as the economy recovered from the 2007-2009 Great Recession, economists have been bemoaning slower wage growth than would be expected as other measures, such as employment, improved. “Wage growth is definitively accelerating. Employers are now struggling to fill open positions and have no choice but to raise wages quickly.”

But 3% isn’t the fastest nominal rate “in many decades,” as Trump said. In fact, the 12-month growth topped 4% for most of 2007, 2001 and 1998. The current growth, Shambaugh said, is “still a little below … what you think a roaring economy might get you.” The growth is “good,” he said, but “not unprecedented, not historically great.”

There’s also support for the president’s claim that wages are “rising the fastest for the lowest income Americans.”

The EPI report, however, noted the sizable percentage gains at the upper percentiles over a longer period of time, such as since the Great Recession, and it found greater 2017-2018 gains among low-wage workers in states that had increased the minimum wage.

workers are getting a smaller share of the economic pie than they used to.”

If we want to know if wages are higher or lower than they used to be or how they’ve grown, we’d look at the inflation-adjusted figures, as we did above. It’s a reminder to voters that these talking points about wages can be more complicated than they appear, and they don’t always tell the whole story.

Yeah....unions were so great they drove the companies out of the northeastern US.

Knew a guy in Missouri making $189,000 a year with OT on the Ford assembly line.
Thats BULLSHIT!!!! And people wonder why car prices are so fucking high.

Of course they did you stupid fuck. They insisted the employees pay well.

And they didn't drive them out of the northeast you fucking idiots! If those jobs went to Kentucky instead of Mexico and China I would agree with you. But do you notice even those fucking rednecks in red states wanted too much? Notice the corporations didn't ship jobs to Arkansas? They bypassed the ignorant south and went to Mexico and China. And I remember in the 2000's you stupid fucks defended it. You said you liked the cheap prices. It took Trump to say what we were saying for you to wake up. OMG.

Why are Toyota's and Honda's so expensive? They're made in the south. I don't see much price difference do you?

Toyota Camry $25K
Fusion $24K

LOL....There were no car or truck manufacturers in the South,now there are a bunch of em. Wonder why........

You said hondas and Toyotas were so expensive yet there's only a thousand dollar difference between the Ford and the Toyota.

You keep contradicting yourself.
First you tell us car manufacturers didnt move south and then you talk about cars made in the south. So which is it?

What the fuck does this even mean?

"Of course they did you stupid fuck. They insisted the employees pay well."

 

[Brain357]

I know nothing about McDonalds. But, I owned a Midas franchise for 13 years. I ran my business 100%. Midas had nothing to do with it.

Mark

Well if Midas wasn't paying it's employees well and they were making a huge profit I would like to see the workers organize and force you to pay them better. But I get the feeling people who work at Midas don't require much pay and those franchises probably don't make very much.

According to Business Insider, the average McDonald's restaurant takes in around $2.7 million a year in sales. ... Some McDonald's franchise owners are naturally going to make more than others, but most franchise owners still pull in an estimated yearly profit of roughly $150,000

mcd franchises make yearly - Google Search

Ok, so after seeing this, I don't think McD workers should organize. If the owner is only making $150,000 a year they shouldn't be making more than $10 hr.


What about Walmart?

With fiscal year 2019 revenue of $514.4 billion, Walmart employs over 2.2 million associates worldwide.

Walmart had a total of 11,766 stores throughout the world as of 2019.

What I like about Walmart and McD employees organizing is that these companies can't send the jobs overseas like car companies did. That's how they broke the UAW. If they were allowed to ship jobs overseas without being tariffed. If only Trump was president back in the 2000's when Bush was letting 750,000 jobs a month go overseas and not a peep out of him. They loved it because those were high paying union jobs.

What about Walmart?

With fiscal year 2019 revenue of $514.4 billion, Walmart employs over 2.2 million associates worldwide.

Why does their revenue matter?

What I like about Walmart and McD employees organizing is that these companies can't send the jobs overseas like car companies did.

Right. If you raise their costs too much, they'll just go out of business.

No one said raise their costs TOO MUCH. What's TOO MUCH? Define that.

They're very profitable. They should share those profits with employees. Instead, a lot of Walmart employees are on foodstamps. Where do you think those employees spend their food stamps dollars? At Walmart. It's a brilliant business model if we allow it.

Repubs love corporate socialism.

If Trump told them Walmart was wrong for doing this, they'd understand but it would have to come from him. They only listen to him or whoever the Republican in charge is.

And trump is the king of hypocrites. Remember when not hitting 3% was the worst economy?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

For example, McDonald’s would likely not qualify as a joint employer with its franchisees, making it tougher for workers at different franchised restaurants to join together as employees of McDonald’s.

Wow!
A common sense rule.

It's not common sense. It's bullshit. McD workers should be able to organize collectively against McD. HQ and Franchise owners. This just hurt workers. But of course you love that. You don't really want workers making more. We remember you hated Big 3 auto workers for how much they were being paid.

You, and the Supreme Court, will always side with corporations over workers. You love it that the corporations own the Supremes and that means labor is fucked.

No coincidence as union numbers went from 35% of the American workforce down to 10%,

In 2013 there were 14.5 million members in the U.S., compared with 17.7 million in 1983. In 2013, the percentage of workers belonging to a union was 11.3%, compared to 20.1% in 1983. The rate for the private sector was 6.4%

Today only 10% of American workers are in unions. And ever since this attack on unions, wag es have gone down. The middle class is not as well off today as they were when unions were strong. So don't blame Democrats for the struggling middle class when Republicans are anti labor and when corporations own Republicans.

I know nothing about McDonalds. But, I owned a Midas franchise for 13 years. I ran my business 100%. Midas had nothing to do with it.

Mark

Well if Midas wasn't paying it's employees well and they were making a huge profit I would like to see the workers organize and force you to pay them better. But I get the feeling people who work at Midas don't require much pay and those franchises probably don't make very much.

According to Business Insider, the average McDonald's restaurant takes in around $2.7 million a year in sales. ... Some McDonald's franchise owners are naturally going to make more than others, but most franchise owners still pull in an estimated yearly profit of roughly $150,000

mcd franchises make yearly - Google Search

Ok, so after seeing this, I don't think McD workers should organize. If the owner is only making $150,000 a year they shouldn't be making more than $10 hr.


What about Walmart?

With fiscal year 2019 revenue of $514.4 billion, Walmart employs over 2.2 million associates worldwide.

Walmart had a total of 11,766 stores throughout the world as of 2019.

What I like about Walmart and McD employees organizing is that these companies can't send the jobs overseas like car companies did. That's how they broke the UAW. If they were allowed to ship jobs overseas without being tariffed. If only Trump was president back in the 2000's when Bush was letting 750,000 jobs a month go overseas and not a peep out of him. They loved it because those were high paying union jobs.

What about Walmart?

With fiscal year 2019 revenue of $514.4 billion, Walmart employs over 2.2 million associates worldwide.

Why does their revenue matter?

What I like about Walmart and McD employees organizing is that these companies can't send the jobs overseas like car companies did.

Right. If you raise their costs too much, they'll just go out of business.

No one said raise their costs TOO MUCH. What's TOO MUCH? Define that.

They're very profitable. They should share those profits with employees. Instead, a lot of Walmart employees are on foodstamps. Where do you think those employees spend their food stamps dollars? At Walmart. It's a brilliant business model if we allow it.

No one said raise their costs TOO MUCH. What's TOO MUCH?

$15 an hour to put a fry basket into the oil is too much.

They're very profitable. They should share those profits with employees.

Is that why you mentioned revenues instead of profits?

Instead, a lot of Walmart employees are on foodstamps.

If they weren't working at WalMart, would they get more foodstamps/welfare or less?

 

[Brain357]

It's not common sense. It's bullshit. McD workers should be able to organize collectively against McD. HQ and Franchise owners. This just hurt workers. But of course you love that. You don't really want workers making more. We remember you hated Big 3 auto workers for how much they were being paid.

You, and the Supreme Court, will always side with corporations over workers. You love it that the corporations own the Supremes and that means labor is fucked.

No coincidence as union numbers went from 35% of the American workforce down to 10%,

In 2013 there were 14.5 million members in the U.S., compared with 17.7 million in 1983. In 2013, the percentage of workers belonging to a union was 11.3%, compared to 20.1% in 1983. The rate for the private sector was 6.4%

Today only 10% of American workers are in unions. And ever since this attack on unions, wag es have gone down. The middle class is not as well off today as they were when unions were strong. So don't blame Democrats for the struggling middle class when Republicans are anti labor and when corporations own Republicans.

I know nothing about McDonalds. But, I owned a Midas franchise for 13 years. I ran my business 100%. Midas had nothing to do with it.

Mark

Well if Midas wasn't paying it's employees well and they were making a huge profit I would like to see the workers organize and force you to pay them better. But I get the feeling people who work at Midas don't require much pay and those franchises probably don't make very much.

According to Business Insider, the average McDonald's restaurant takes in around $2.7 million a year in sales. ... Some McDonald's franchise owners are naturally going to make more than others, but most franchise owners still pull in an estimated yearly profit of roughly $150,000

mcd franchises make yearly - Google Search

Ok, so after seeing this, I don't think McD workers should organize. If the owner is only making $150,000 a year they shouldn't be making more than $10 hr.


What about Walmart?

With fiscal year 2019 revenue of $514.4 billion, Walmart employs over 2.2 million associates worldwide.

Walmart had a total of 11,766 stores throughout the world as of 2019.

What I like about Walmart and McD employees organizing is that these companies can't send the jobs overseas like car companies did. That's how they broke the UAW. If they were allowed to ship jobs overseas without being tariffed. If only Trump was president back in the 2000's when Bush was letting 750,000 jobs a month go overseas and not a peep out of him. They loved it because those were high paying union jobs.

What about Walmart?

With fiscal year 2019 revenue of $514.4 billion, Walmart employs over 2.2 million associates worldwide.

Why does their revenue matter?

What I like about Walmart and McD employees organizing is that these companies can't send the jobs overseas like car companies did.

Right. If you raise their costs too much, they'll just go out of business.

No one said raise their costs TOO MUCH. What's TOO MUCH? Define that.

They're very profitable. They should share those profits with employees. Instead, a lot of Walmart employees are on foodstamps. Where do you think those employees spend their food stamps dollars? At Walmart. It's a brilliant business model if we allow it.

No one said raise their costs TOO MUCH. What's TOO MUCH?

$15 an hour to put a fry basket into the oil is too much.

They're very profitable. They should share those profits with employees.

Is that why you mentioned revenues instead of profits?

Instead, a lot of Walmart employees are on foodstamps.

If they weren't working at WalMart, would they get more foodstamps/welfare or less?

How much do the waltons make with no employees?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I know nothing about McDonalds. But, I owned a Midas franchise for 13 years. I ran my business 100%. Midas had nothing to do with it.

Mark

Well if Midas wasn't paying it's employees well and they were making a huge profit I would like to see the workers organize and force you to pay them better. But I get the feeling people who work at Midas don't require much pay and those franchises probably don't make very much.

According to Business Insider, the average McDonald's restaurant takes in around $2.7 million a year in sales. ... Some McDonald's franchise owners are naturally going to make more than others, but most franchise owners still pull in an estimated yearly profit of roughly $150,000

mcd franchises make yearly - Google Search

Ok, so after seeing this, I don't think McD workers should organize. If the owner is only making $150,000 a year they shouldn't be making more than $10 hr.


What about Walmart?

With fiscal year 2019 revenue of $514.4 billion, Walmart employs over 2.2 million associates worldwide.

Walmart had a total of 11,766 stores throughout the world as of 2019.

What I like about Walmart and McD employees organizing is that these companies can't send the jobs overseas like car companies did. That's how they broke the UAW. If they were allowed to ship jobs overseas without being tariffed. If only Trump was president back in the 2000's when Bush was letting 750,000 jobs a month go overseas and not a peep out of him. They loved it because those were high paying union jobs.

What about Walmart?

With fiscal year 2019 revenue of $514.4 billion, Walmart employs over 2.2 million associates worldwide.

Why does their revenue matter?

What I like about Walmart and McD employees organizing is that these companies can't send the jobs overseas like car companies did.

Right. If you raise their costs too much, they'll just go out of business.

No one said raise their costs TOO MUCH. What's TOO MUCH? Define that.

They're very profitable. They should share those profits with employees. Instead, a lot of Walmart employees are on foodstamps. Where do you think those employees spend their food stamps dollars? At Walmart. It's a brilliant business model if we allow it.

No one said raise their costs TOO MUCH. What's TOO MUCH?

$15 an hour to put a fry basket into the oil is too much.

They're very profitable. They should share those profits with employees.

Is that why you mentioned revenues instead of profits?

Instead, a lot of Walmart employees are on foodstamps.

If they weren't working at WalMart, would they get more foodstamps/welfare or less?

How much do the waltons make with no employees?

You should buy the company and raise salaries.

 

[Brain357]

Well if Midas wasn't paying it's employees well and they were making a huge profit I would like to see the workers organize and force you to pay them better. But I get the feeling people who work at Midas don't require much pay and those franchises probably don't make very much.

According to Business Insider, the average McDonald's restaurant takes in around $2.7 million a year in sales. ... Some McDonald's franchise owners are naturally going to make more than others, but most franchise owners still pull in an estimated yearly profit of roughly $150,000

mcd franchises make yearly - Google Search

Ok, so after seeing this, I don't think McD workers should organize. If the owner is only making $150,000 a year they shouldn't be making more than $10 hr.


What about Walmart?

With fiscal year 2019 revenue of $514.4 billion, Walmart employs over 2.2 million associates worldwide.

Walmart had a total of 11,766 stores throughout the world as of 2019.

What I like about Walmart and McD employees organizing is that these companies can't send the jobs overseas like car companies did. That's how they broke the UAW. If they were allowed to ship jobs overseas without being tariffed. If only Trump was president back in the 2000's when Bush was letting 750,000 jobs a month go overseas and not a peep out of him. They loved it because those were high paying union jobs.

What about Walmart?

With fiscal year 2019 revenue of $514.4 billion, Walmart employs over 2.2 million associates worldwide.

Why does their revenue matter?

What I like about Walmart and McD employees organizing is that these companies can't send the jobs overseas like car companies did.

Right. If you raise their costs too much, they'll just go out of business.

No one said raise their costs TOO MUCH. What's TOO MUCH? Define that.

They're very profitable. They should share those profits with employees. Instead, a lot of Walmart employees are on foodstamps. Where do you think those employees spend their food stamps dollars? At Walmart. It's a brilliant business model if we allow it.

No one said raise their costs TOO MUCH. What's TOO MUCH?

$15 an hour to put a fry basket into the oil is too much.

They're very profitable. They should share those profits with employees.

Is that why you mentioned revenues instead of profits?

Instead, a lot of Walmart employees are on foodstamps.

If they weren't working at WalMart, would they get more foodstamps/welfare or less?

How much do the waltons make with no employees?

You should buy the company and raise salaries.

You dodged the question. Why do you love big government so much?

 

[sealybobo]

It's not common sense. It's bullshit. McD workers should be able to organize collectively against McD. HQ and Franchise owners. This just hurt workers. But of course you love that. You don't really want workers making more. We remember you hated Big 3 auto workers for how much they were being paid.

You, and the Supreme Court, will always side with corporations over workers. You love it that the corporations own the Supremes and that means labor is fucked.

No coincidence as union numbers went from 35% of the American workforce down to 10%,

In 2013 there were 14.5 million members in the U.S., compared with 17.7 million in 1983. In 2013, the percentage of workers belonging to a union was 11.3%, compared to 20.1% in 1983. The rate for the private sector was 6.4%

Today only 10% of American workers are in unions. And ever since this attack on unions, wages have gone down. The middle class is not as well off today as they were when unions were strong. So don't blame Democrats for the struggling middle class when Republicans are anti labor and when corporations own Republicans.

They should be so pissed they go out and get a real job!!!

If they could then those companies would be forced to pay better. But the truth is probably that those are the best jobs available. Back when I was growing up you could go get a good paying union job with a high school degree. Those jobs are gone. MAGA? We were great when a guy like my dad (high school drop out foreigner) could go to Ford, get paid great, great benefits, pension, a union to protect him from being fired. Unions built the biggest and best middle class the world has ever seen. You trickle down Republicans have never created a middle class like we did. Also add in the GI Bill, social security and medicare. WE created the time when America was great for the masses. America was great before the new deal but the middle class and poor struggled. After the New Deal and unions the middle class boomed. Of course the top 1% didn't like it and they took back all those gains starting in the late 60's.

Are Wages Rising or Flat?

To hear politicians tell it, wages are rising at the fastest rate in a decade, are the same as they were 45 years ago and are at a 60-year low. And all three claims could be correct, depending on what measure is used to justify it.

“There’s not necessarily one way [to look at wages] and that’s why you can get all the conflicting claims

The bottom line, as shown in the graph below from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, is that real wages over the long-term peaked in the early 1970s, before generally falling over the next few decades and then beginning to climb back up starting in the mid-1990s.

President Donald Trump said that “wages are rising at the fastest rate in a decade.”

During Obama’s last four years in office the average weekly earnings for production and nonsupervisory workers went up 4.9%. Over Obama’s entire two-term tenure, wages were up 4.2%.

Over President George W. Bush’s eight years in office, wages also increased by 4.2%, and under President Bill Clinton, they went up by 6.4%. Those figures are up 2.3% under Trump, 3.9% under Obama’s second term and 4% over his eight years in office.) HE WAS DEALING WITH THE GREAT RECESSION!!!

Now, let’s turn to Trump’s second claim: “Wages are rising at the fastest rate in many decades.” That’s not correct, but it’s close — it’s the fastest rate in about one decade, when looking at nominal hourly wages year-to-year.

Last fall, newspaper headlines touted this news. At the time the 12-month percentage change in nominal average hourly earnings for all workers and the rank-and-file topped 3% in August 2018 and has remained above 3% since, according to BLS. That’s the highest rate since it topped 3% in late 2008 and early 2009.

But this 3% nominal growth was significant. In recent years, as the economy recovered from the 2007-2009 Great Recession, economists have been bemoaning slower wage growth than would be expected as other measures, such as employment, improved. “Wage growth is definitively accelerating. Employers are now struggling to fill open positions and have no choice but to raise wages quickly.”

But 3% isn’t the fastest nominal rate “in many decades,” as Trump said. In fact, the 12-month growth topped 4% for most of 2007, 2001 and 1998. The current growth, Shambaugh said, is “still a little below … what you think a roaring economy might get you.” The growth is “good,” he said, but “not unprecedented, not historically great.”

There’s also support for the president’s claim that wages are “rising the fastest for the lowest income Americans.”

The EPI report, however, noted the sizable percentage gains at the upper percentiles over a longer period of time, such as since the Great Recession, and it found greater 2017-2018 gains among low-wage workers in states that had increased the minimum wage.

workers are getting a smaller share of the economic pie than they used to.”

If we want to know if wages are higher or lower than they used to be or how they’ve grown, we’d look at the inflation-adjusted figures, as we did above. It’s a reminder to voters that these talking points about wages can be more complicated than they appear, and they don’t always tell the whole story.

Yeah....unions were so great they drove the companies out of the northeastern US.

Knew a guy in Missouri making $189,000 a year with OT on the Ford assembly line.
Thats BULLSHIT!!!! And people wonder why car prices are so fucking high.

Of course they did you stupid fuck. They insisted the employees pay well.

And they didn't drive them out of the northeast you fucking idiots! If those jobs went to Kentucky instead of Mexico and China I would agree with you. But do you notice even those fucking rednecks in red states wanted too much? Notice the corporations didn't ship jobs to Arkansas? They bypassed the ignorant south and went to Mexico and China. And I remember in the 2000's you stupid fucks defended it. You said you liked the cheap prices. It took Trump to say what we were saying for you to wake up. OMG.

Why are Toyota's and Honda's so expensive? They're made in the south. I don't see much price difference do you?

Toyota Camry $25K
Fusion $24K

LOL....There were no car or truck manufacturers in the South,now there are a bunch of em. Wonder why........

You said hondas and Toyotas were so expensive yet there's only a thousand dollar difference between the Ford and the Toyota.

You keep contradicting yourself.
First you tell us car manufacturers didnt move south and then you talk about cars made in the south. So which is it?

What the fuck does this even mean?

"Of course they did you stupid fuck. They insisted the employees pay well."

Yes, they pay those southern workers a lot less. And there are a lot less Honda employees in the Honda plant than there are For

It's not common sense. It's bullshit. McD workers should be able to organize collectively against McD. HQ and Franchise owners. This just hurt workers. But of course you love that. You don't really want workers making more. We remember you hated Big 3 auto workers for how much they were being paid.

You, and the Supreme Court, will always side with corporations over workers. You love it that the corporations own the Supremes and that means labor is fucked.

No coincidence as union numbers went from 35% of the American workforce down to 10%,

In 2013 there were 14.5 million members in the U.S., compared with 17.7 million in 1983. In 2013, the percentage of workers belonging to a union was 11.3%, compared to 20.1% in 1983. The rate for the private sector was 6.4%

Today only 10% of American workers are in unions. And ever since this attack on unions, wag es have gone down. The middle class is not as well off today as they were when unions were strong. So don't blame Democrats for the struggling middle class when Republicans are anti labor and when corporations own Republicans.

I know nothing about McDonalds. But, I owned a Midas franchise for 13 years. I ran my business 100%. Midas had nothing to do with it.

Mark

Well if Midas wasn't paying it's employees well and they were making a huge profit I would like to see the workers organize and force you to pay them better. But I get the feeling people who work at Midas don't require much pay and those franchises probably don't make very much.

According to Business Insider, the average McDonald's restaurant takes in around $2.7 million a year in sales. ... Some McDonald's franchise owners are naturally going to make more than others, but most franchise owners still pull in an estimated yearly profit of roughly $150,000

mcd franchises make yearly - Google Search

Ok, so after seeing this, I don't think McD workers should organize. If the owner is only making $150,000 a year they shouldn't be making more than $10 hr.


What about Walmart?

With fiscal year 2019 revenue of $514.4 billion, Walmart employs over 2.2 million associates worldwide.

Walmart had a total of 11,766 stores throughout the world as of 2019.

What I like about Walmart and McD employees organizing is that these companies can't send the jobs overseas like car companies did. That's how they broke the UAW. If they were allowed to ship jobs overseas without being tariffed. If only Trump was president back in the 2000's when Bush was letting 750,000 jobs a month go overseas and not a peep out of him. They loved it because those were high paying union jobs.

What about Walmart?

With fiscal year 2019 revenue of $514.4 billion, Walmart employs over 2.2 million associates worldwide.

Why does their revenue matter?

What I like about Walmart and McD employees organizing is that these companies can't send the jobs overseas like car companies did.

Right. If you raise their costs too much, they'll just go out of business.

No one said raise their costs TOO MUCH. What's TOO MUCH? Define that.

They're very profitable. They should share those profits with employees. Instead, a lot of Walmart employees are on foodstamps. Where do you think those employees spend their food stamps dollars? At Walmart. It's a brilliant business model if we allow it.

No one said raise their costs TOO MUCH. What's TOO MUCH?

$15 an hour to put a fry basket into the oil is too much.

They're very profitable. They should share those profits with employees.

Is that why you mentioned revenues instead of profits?

Instead, a lot of Walmart employees are on foodstamps.

If they weren't working at WalMart, would they get more foodstamps/welfare or less?

Then you don't understand what made America great. My dad, and all those blue collar auto workers weren't "worth" what they were being paid if you asked YOU TRUMP a Corporation or any Republican. We know this. So stop with the MAGA bullshit. You have no idea what made America great or why it's not great today.

It was great because of social security and medicare. Never before did middle class and poor people have it so good. You want to take these things again you assholes.

Unions made Michigan the greatest state to be in for decades. Of course Bush 1 invented NAFTA with the goal of shipping all those good paying jobs down south.

And now you're crying about paying $15? Well I'm sorry but my dad and none of those auto workers were worth what they were paid. But CEO's today aren't worth what they are paid. But who's to say? Today, the CEO says what everyone is paid. And the BOD. When America was great labor had a seat at the fucking table.

If America was not great in 2015 I doubt it's great for you today. For me, America was great again once Obama got us out of Bush's recession. And the 2000's were a horrible decade for manufacturing and America. The Clinton 8 years were great too.

Trump took over an already great economy. Trump said it wasn't good enough because Obama didn't have over 3% growth. Guess what Trump had after that Tax break he gave the rich? You would think that tax break would have sparked a golden age of economic growth but guess the fuck what he got for it last year? 2.3% growth.

Fucking idiots. But we all know all you idiots care about really is god gays guns and racism. Southern white poor racists and ignorant whites racists up north don't care that they'll never get to retire. Or if they care they'll blame democrats for the cuts. Idiots I tell you! MAGA my ficking ass.

 

[sealybobo]

Well if Midas wasn't paying it's employees well and they were making a huge profit I would like to see the workers organize and force you to pay them better. But I get the feeling people who work at Midas don't require much pay and those franchises probably don't make very much.

According to Business Insider, the average McDonald's restaurant takes in around $2.7 million a year in sales. ... Some McDonald's franchise owners are naturally going to make more than others, but most franchise owners still pull in an estimated yearly profit of roughly $150,000

mcd franchises make yearly - Google Search

Ok, so after seeing this, I don't think McD workers should organize. If the owner is only making $150,000 a year they shouldn't be making more than $10 hr.


What about Walmart?

With fiscal year 2019 revenue of $514.4 billion, Walmart employs over 2.2 million associates worldwide.

Walmart had a total of 11,766 stores throughout the world as of 2019.

What I like about Walmart and McD employees organizing is that these companies can't send the jobs overseas like car companies did. That's how they broke the UAW. If they were allowed to ship jobs overseas without being tariffed. If only Trump was president back in the 2000's when Bush was letting 750,000 jobs a month go overseas and not a peep out of him. They loved it because those were high paying union jobs.

What about Walmart?

With fiscal year 2019 revenue of $514.4 billion, Walmart employs over 2.2 million associates worldwide.

Why does their revenue matter?

What I like about Walmart and McD employees organizing is that these companies can't send the jobs overseas like car companies did.

Right. If you raise their costs too much, they'll just go out of business.

No one said raise their costs TOO MUCH. What's TOO MUCH? Define that.

They're very profitable. They should share those profits with employees. Instead, a lot of Walmart employees are on foodstamps. Where do you think those employees spend their food stamps dollars? At Walmart. It's a brilliant business model if we allow it.

No one said raise their costs TOO MUCH. What's TOO MUCH?

$15 an hour to put a fry basket into the oil is too much.

They're very profitable. They should share those profits with employees.

Is that why you mentioned revenues instead of profits?

Instead, a lot of Walmart employees are on foodstamps.

If they weren't working at WalMart, would they get more foodstamps/welfare or less?

How much do the waltons make with no employees?

You should buy the company and raise salaries.

We are workers not business owners. What we should do is organize.

 

[sealybobo]

What about Walmart?

With fiscal year 2019 revenue of $514.4 billion, Walmart employs over 2.2 million associates worldwide.

Why does their revenue matter?

What I like about Walmart and McD employees organizing is that these companies can't send the jobs overseas like car companies did.

Right. If you raise their costs too much, they'll just go out of business.

No one said raise their costs TOO MUCH. What's TOO MUCH? Define that.

They're very profitable. They should share those profits with employees. Instead, a lot of Walmart employees are on foodstamps. Where do you think those employees spend their food stamps dollars? At Walmart. It's a brilliant business model if we allow it.

No one said raise their costs TOO MUCH. What's TOO MUCH?

$15 an hour to put a fry basket into the oil is too much.

They're very profitable. They should share those profits with employees.

Is that why you mentioned revenues instead of profits?

Instead, a lot of Walmart employees are on foodstamps.

If they weren't working at WalMart, would they get more foodstamps/welfare or less?

How much do the waltons make with no employees?

You should buy the company and raise salaries.

You dodged the question. Why do you love big government so much?

I only go to Walmart when I'm in a town that only has a Walmart. Locally I shop at Meijers and Krogers. Fuck Walmart.

 

[sealybobo]

It's not common sense. It's bullshit. McD workers should be able to organize collectively against McD. HQ and Franchise owners. This just hurt workers. But of course you love that. You don't really want workers making more. We remember you hated Big 3 auto workers for how much they were being paid.

You, and the Supreme Court, will always side with corporations over workers. You love it that the corporations own the Supremes and that means labor is fucked.

No coincidence as union numbers went from 35% of the American workforce down to 10%,

In 2013 there were 14.5 million members in the U.S., compared with 17.7 million in 1983. In 2013, the percentage of workers belonging to a union was 11.3%, compared to 20.1% in 1983. The rate for the private sector was 6.4%

Today only 10% of American workers are in unions. And ever since this attack on unions, wages have gone down. The middle class is not as well off today as they were when unions were strong. So don't blame Democrats for the struggling middle class when Republicans are anti labor and when corporations own Republicans.

They should be so pissed they go out and get a real job!!!

If they could then those companies would be forced to pay better. But the truth is probably that those are the best jobs available. Back when I was growing up you could go get a good paying union job with a high school degree. Those jobs are gone. MAGA? We were great when a guy like my dad (high school drop out foreigner) could go to Ford, get paid great, great benefits, pension, a union to protect him from being fired. Unions built the biggest and best middle class the world has ever seen. You trickle down Republicans have never created a middle class like we did. Also add in the GI Bill, social security and medicare. WE created the time when America was great for the masses. America was great before the new deal but the middle class and poor struggled. After the New Deal and unions the middle class boomed. Of course the top 1% didn't like it and they took back all those gains starting in the late 60's.

Are Wages Rising or Flat?

To hear politicians tell it, wages are rising at the fastest rate in a decade, are the same as they were 45 years ago and are at a 60-year low. And all three claims could be correct, depending on what measure is used to justify it.

“There’s not necessarily one way [to look at wages] and that’s why you can get all the conflicting claims

The bottom line, as shown in the graph below from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, is that real wages over the long-term peaked in the early 1970s, before generally falling over the next few decades and then beginning to climb back up starting in the mid-1990s.

President Donald Trump said that “wages are rising at the fastest rate in a decade.”

During Obama’s last four years in office the average weekly earnings for production and nonsupervisory workers went up 4.9%. Over Obama’s entire two-term tenure, wages were up 4.2%.

Over President George W. Bush’s eight years in office, wages also increased by 4.2%, and under President Bill Clinton, they went up by 6.4%. Those figures are up 2.3% under Trump, 3.9% under Obama’s second term and 4% over his eight years in office.) HE WAS DEALING WITH THE GREAT RECESSION!!!

Now, let’s turn to Trump’s second claim: “Wages are rising at the fastest rate in many decades.” That’s not correct, but it’s close — it’s the fastest rate in about one decade, when looking at nominal hourly wages year-to-year.

Last fall, newspaper headlines touted this news. At the time the 12-month percentage change in nominal average hourly earnings for all workers and the rank-and-file topped 3% in August 2018 and has remained above 3% since, according to BLS. That’s the highest rate since it topped 3% in late 2008 and early 2009.

But this 3% nominal growth was significant. In recent years, as the economy recovered from the 2007-2009 Great Recession, economists have been bemoaning slower wage growth than would be expected as other measures, such as employment, improved. “Wage growth is definitively accelerating. Employers are now struggling to fill open positions and have no choice but to raise wages quickly.”

But 3% isn’t the fastest nominal rate “in many decades,” as Trump said. In fact, the 12-month growth topped 4% for most of 2007, 2001 and 1998. The current growth, Shambaugh said, is “still a little below … what you think a roaring economy might get you.” The growth is “good,” he said, but “not unprecedented, not historically great.”

There’s also support for the president’s claim that wages are “rising the fastest for the lowest income Americans.”

The EPI report, however, noted the sizable percentage gains at the upper percentiles over a longer period of time, such as since the Great Recession, and it found greater 2017-2018 gains among low-wage workers in states that had increased the minimum wage.

workers are getting a smaller share of the economic pie than they used to.”

If we want to know if wages are higher or lower than they used to be or how they’ve grown, we’d look at the inflation-adjusted figures, as we did above. It’s a reminder to voters that these talking points about wages can be more complicated than they appear, and they don’t always tell the whole story.

Yeah....unions were so great they drove the companies out of the northeastern US.

Knew a guy in Missouri making $189,000 a year with OT on the Ford assembly line.
Thats BULLSHIT!!!! And people wonder why car prices are so fucking high.

Of course they did you stupid fuck. They insisted the employees pay well.

And they didn't drive them out of the northeast you fucking idiots! If those jobs went to Kentucky instead of Mexico and China I would agree with you. But do you notice even those fucking rednecks in red states wanted too much? Notice the corporations didn't ship jobs to Arkansas? They bypassed the ignorant south and went to Mexico and China. And I remember in the 2000's you stupid fucks defended it. You said you liked the cheap prices. It took Trump to say what we were saying for you to wake up. OMG.

Why are Toyota's and Honda's so expensive? They're made in the south. I don't see much price difference do you?

Toyota Camry $25K
Fusion $24K

LOL....There were no car or truck manufacturers in the South,now there are a bunch of em. Wonder why........

You said hondas and Toyotas were so expensive yet there's only a thousand dollar difference between the Ford and the Toyota.

You keep contradicting yourself.
First you tell us car manufacturers didnt move south and then you talk about cars made in the south. So which is it?

What the fuck does this even mean?

"Of course they did you stupid fuck. They insisted the employees pay well."

American Companies Keep Sending Thousands of Jobs Overseas

We wouldn't be so mad if corporations moved from union states to red states. That we could live with. But that's not the case

Even the funeral industry isn’t immune from pressure to cut costs and offshore. In November 2016, 200 workers at the Batesville Casket Company in Batesville, Mississippi, learned they’d be out of work when the company’s factory shut its doors for good. The wooden caskets previously made in the U.S. will now be assembled in Chihuahua, Mexico.

So people in Mississippi are asking for too much money? I guess union workers aren't the only greedy employees who don't know their worth. Maybe those employees should have accepted a pay cut after all a low paying job is better than no job right losers?



AT&T isn’t the only telecommunications company that’s battled its workers over offshoring. In 2016, 36,000 Verizon workers went on strike for six weeks. One of the sticking points in contract negotiations between the union members and the company was the issue of jobs moving abroad. The Communications Workers of America said the company was hiding the extent of its offshoring and that workers in call centers in the Philippines were making just $1.78 an hour and were sometimes forced to work overtime without extra pay.

Oregon is a red state right? In 2015, Microsoft opened a new factory in Wilsonville, Oregon, where it planned to make its giant, touchscreen Surface Hub computers. The facility was supposed to herald a new era in domestic tech manufacturing. But in July 2017, the company announced it was closing the plant. More than 100 workers and contractors will lose their jobs when production shifts to China.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

They should be so pissed they go out and get a real job!!!

If they could then those companies would be forced to pay better. But the truth is probably that those are the best jobs available. Back when I was growing up you could go get a good paying union job with a high school degree. Those jobs are gone. MAGA? We were great when a guy like my dad (high school drop out foreigner) could go to Ford, get paid great, great benefits, pension, a union to protect him from being fired. Unions built the biggest and best middle class the world has ever seen. You trickle down Republicans have never created a middle class like we did. Also add in the GI Bill, social security and medicare. WE created the time when America was great for the masses. America was great before the new deal but the middle class and poor struggled. After the New Deal and unions the middle class boomed. Of course the top 1% didn't like it and they took back all those gains starting in the late 60's.

Are Wages Rising or Flat?

To hear politicians tell it, wages are rising at the fastest rate in a decade, are the same as they were 45 years ago and are at a 60-year low. And all three claims could be correct, depending on what measure is used to justify it.

“There’s not necessarily one way [to look at wages] and that’s why you can get all the conflicting claims

The bottom line, as shown in the graph below from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, is that real wages over the long-term peaked in the early 1970s, before generally falling over the next few decades and then beginning to climb back up starting in the mid-1990s.

President Donald Trump said that “wages are rising at the fastest rate in a decade.”

During Obama’s last four years in office the average weekly earnings for production and nonsupervisory workers went up 4.9%. Over Obama’s entire two-term tenure, wages were up 4.2%.

Over President George W. Bush’s eight years in office, wages also increased by 4.2%, and under President Bill Clinton, they went up by 6.4%. Those figures are up 2.3% under Trump, 3.9% under Obama’s second term and 4% over his eight years in office.) HE WAS DEALING WITH THE GREAT RECESSION!!!

Now, let’s turn to Trump’s second claim: “Wages are rising at the fastest rate in many decades.” That’s not correct, but it’s close — it’s the fastest rate in about one decade, when looking at nominal hourly wages year-to-year.

Last fall, newspaper headlines touted this news. At the time the 12-month percentage change in nominal average hourly earnings for all workers and the rank-and-file topped 3% in August 2018 and has remained above 3% since, according to BLS. That’s the highest rate since it topped 3% in late 2008 and early 2009.

But this 3% nominal growth was significant. In recent years, as the economy recovered from the 2007-2009 Great Recession, economists have been bemoaning slower wage growth than would be expected as other measures, such as employment, improved. “Wage growth is definitively accelerating. Employers are now struggling to fill open positions and have no choice but to raise wages quickly.”

But 3% isn’t the fastest nominal rate “in many decades,” as Trump said. In fact, the 12-month growth topped 4% for most of 2007, 2001 and 1998. The current growth, Shambaugh said, is “still a little below … what you think a roaring economy might get you.” The growth is “good,” he said, but “not unprecedented, not historically great.”

There’s also support for the president’s claim that wages are “rising the fastest for the lowest income Americans.”

The EPI report, however, noted the sizable percentage gains at the upper percentiles over a longer period of time, such as since the Great Recession, and it found greater 2017-2018 gains among low-wage workers in states that had increased the minimum wage.

workers are getting a smaller share of the economic pie than they used to.”

If we want to know if wages are higher or lower than they used to be or how they’ve grown, we’d look at the inflation-adjusted figures, as we did above. It’s a reminder to voters that these talking points about wages can be more complicated than they appear, and they don’t always tell the whole story.

Yeah....unions were so great they drove the companies out of the northeastern US.

Knew a guy in Missouri making $189,000 a year with OT on the Ford assembly line.
Thats BULLSHIT!!!! And people wonder why car prices are so fucking high.

Of course they did you stupid fuck. They insisted the employees pay well.

And they didn't drive them out of the northeast you fucking idiots! If those jobs went to Kentucky instead of Mexico and China I would agree with you. But do you notice even those fucking rednecks in red states wanted too much? Notice the corporations didn't ship jobs to Arkansas? They bypassed the ignorant south and went to Mexico and China. And I remember in the 2000's you stupid fucks defended it. You said you liked the cheap prices. It took Trump to say what we were saying for you to wake up. OMG.

Why are Toyota's and Honda's so expensive? They're made in the south. I don't see much price difference do you?

Toyota Camry $25K
Fusion $24K

LOL....There were no car or truck manufacturers in the South,now there are a bunch of em. Wonder why........

You said hondas and Toyotas were so expensive yet there's only a thousand dollar difference between the Ford and the Toyota.

You keep contradicting yourself.
First you tell us car manufacturers didnt move south and then you talk about cars made in the south. So which is it?

What the fuck does this even mean?

"Of course they did you stupid fuck. They insisted the employees pay well."

American Companies Keep Sending Thousands of Jobs Overseas

We wouldn't be so mad if corporations moved from union states to red states. That we could live with. But that's not the case

Even the funeral industry isn’t immune from pressure to cut costs and offshore. In November 2016, 200 workers at the Batesville Casket Company in Batesville, Mississippi, learned they’d be out of work when the company’s factory shut its doors for good. The wooden caskets previously made in the U.S. will now be assembled in Chihuahua, Mexico.

So people in Mississippi are asking for too much money? I guess union workers aren't the only greedy employees who don't know their worth. Maybe those employees should have accepted a pay cut after all a low paying job is better than no job right losers?



AT&T isn’t the only telecommunications company that’s battled its workers over offshoring. In 2016, 36,000 Verizon workers went on strike for six weeks. One of the sticking points in contract negotiations between the union members and the company was the issue of jobs moving abroad. The Communications Workers of America said the company was hiding the extent of its offshoring and that workers in call centers in the Philippines were making just $1.78 an hour and were sometimes forced to work overtime without extra pay.

Oregon is a red state right? In 2015, Microsoft opened a new factory in Wilsonville, Oregon, where it planned to make its giant, touchscreen Surface Hub computers. The facility was supposed to herald a new era in domestic tech manufacturing. But in July 2017, the company announced it was closing the plant. More than 100 workers and contractors will lose their jobs when production shifts to China.

So your solution to companies sending jobs overseas for cheaper labor is to demand more money for the workers here in America?
You could teach a monkey to work an assembly line and yet you think they should be paid 40 bucks an hour.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What about Walmart?

With fiscal year 2019 revenue of $514.4 billion, Walmart employs over 2.2 million associates worldwide.

Why does their revenue matter?

What I like about Walmart and McD employees organizing is that these companies can't send the jobs overseas like car companies did.

Right. If you raise their costs too much, they'll just go out of business.

No one said raise their costs TOO MUCH. What's TOO MUCH? Define that.

They're very profitable. They should share those profits with employees. Instead, a lot of Walmart employees are on foodstamps. Where do you think those employees spend their food stamps dollars? At Walmart. It's a brilliant business model if we allow it.

No one said raise their costs TOO MUCH. What's TOO MUCH?

$15 an hour to put a fry basket into the oil is too much.

They're very profitable. They should share those profits with employees.

Is that why you mentioned revenues instead of profits?

Instead, a lot of Walmart employees are on foodstamps.

If they weren't working at WalMart, would they get more foodstamps/welfare or less?

How much do the waltons make with no employees?

You should buy the company and raise salaries.

You dodged the question. Why do you love big government so much?

If you're against giving food stamps to low wage workers, just say it.

 

[sealybobo]

If they could then those companies would be forced to pay better. But the truth is probably that those are the best jobs available. Back when I was growing up you could go get a good paying union job with a high school degree. Those jobs are gone. MAGA? We were great when a guy like my dad (high school drop out foreigner) could go to Ford, get paid great, great benefits, pension, a union to protect him from being fired. Unions built the biggest and best middle class the world has ever seen. You trickle down Republicans have never created a middle class like we did. Also add in the GI Bill, social security and medicare. WE created the time when America was great for the masses. America was great before the new deal but the middle class and poor struggled. After the New Deal and unions the middle class boomed. Of course the top 1% didn't like it and they took back all those gains starting in the late 60's.

Are Wages Rising or Flat?

To hear politicians tell it, wages are rising at the fastest rate in a decade, are the same as they were 45 years ago and are at a 60-year low. And all three claims could be correct, depending on what measure is used to justify it.

“There’s not necessarily one way [to look at wages] and that’s why you can get all the conflicting claims

The bottom line, as shown in the graph below from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, is that real wages over the long-term peaked in the early 1970s, before generally falling over the next few decades and then beginning to climb back up starting in the mid-1990s.

President Donald Trump said that “wages are rising at the fastest rate in a decade.”

During Obama’s last four years in office the average weekly earnings for production and nonsupervisory workers went up 4.9%. Over Obama’s entire two-term tenure, wages were up 4.2%.

Over President George W. Bush’s eight years in office, wages also increased by 4.2%, and under President Bill Clinton, they went up by 6.4%. Those figures are up 2.3% under Trump, 3.9% under Obama’s second term and 4% over his eight years in office.) HE WAS DEALING WITH THE GREAT RECESSION!!!

Now, let’s turn to Trump’s second claim: “Wages are rising at the fastest rate in many decades.” That’s not correct, but it’s close — it’s the fastest rate in about one decade, when looking at nominal hourly wages year-to-year.

Last fall, newspaper headlines touted this news. At the time the 12-month percentage change in nominal average hourly earnings for all workers and the rank-and-file topped 3% in August 2018 and has remained above 3% since, according to BLS. That’s the highest rate since it topped 3% in late 2008 and early 2009.

But this 3% nominal growth was significant. In recent years, as the economy recovered from the 2007-2009 Great Recession, economists have been bemoaning slower wage growth than would be expected as other measures, such as employment, improved. “Wage growth is definitively accelerating. Employers are now struggling to fill open positions and have no choice but to raise wages quickly.”

But 3% isn’t the fastest nominal rate “in many decades,” as Trump said. In fact, the 12-month growth topped 4% for most of 2007, 2001 and 1998. The current growth, Shambaugh said, is “still a little below … what you think a roaring economy might get you.” The growth is “good,” he said, but “not unprecedented, not historically great.”

There’s also support for the president’s claim that wages are “rising the fastest for the lowest income Americans.”

The EPI report, however, noted the sizable percentage gains at the upper percentiles over a longer period of time, such as since the Great Recession, and it found greater 2017-2018 gains among low-wage workers in states that had increased the minimum wage.

workers are getting a smaller share of the economic pie than they used to.”

If we want to know if wages are higher or lower than they used to be or how they’ve grown, we’d look at the inflation-adjusted figures, as we did above. It’s a reminder to voters that these talking points about wages can be more complicated than they appear, and they don’t always tell the whole story.

Yeah....unions were so great they drove the companies out of the northeastern US.

Knew a guy in Missouri making $189,000 a year with OT on the Ford assembly line.
Thats BULLSHIT!!!! And people wonder why car prices are so fucking high.

Of course they did you stupid fuck. They insisted the employees pay well.

And they didn't drive them out of the northeast you fucking idiots! If those jobs went to Kentucky instead of Mexico and China I would agree with you. But do you notice even those fucking rednecks in red states wanted too much? Notice the corporations didn't ship jobs to Arkansas? They bypassed the ignorant south and went to Mexico and China. And I remember in the 2000's you stupid fucks defended it. You said you liked the cheap prices. It took Trump to say what we were saying for you to wake up. OMG.

Why are Toyota's and Honda's so expensive? They're made in the south. I don't see much price difference do you?

Toyota Camry $25K
Fusion $24K

LOL....There were no car or truck manufacturers in the South,now there are a bunch of em. Wonder why........

You said hondas and Toyotas were so expensive yet there's only a thousand dollar difference between the Ford and the Toyota.

You keep contradicting yourself.
First you tell us car manufacturers didnt move south and then you talk about cars made in the south. So which is it?

What the fuck does this even mean?

"Of course they did you stupid fuck. They insisted the employees pay well."

American Companies Keep Sending Thousands of Jobs Overseas

We wouldn't be so mad if corporations moved from union states to red states. That we could live with. But that's not the case

Even the funeral industry isn’t immune from pressure to cut costs and offshore. In November 2016, 200 workers at the Batesville Casket Company in Batesville, Mississippi, learned they’d be out of work when the company’s factory shut its doors for good. The wooden caskets previously made in the U.S. will now be assembled in Chihuahua, Mexico.

So people in Mississippi are asking for too much money? I guess union workers aren't the only greedy employees who don't know their worth. Maybe those employees should have accepted a pay cut after all a low paying job is better than no job right losers?



AT&T isn’t the only telecommunications company that’s battled its workers over offshoring. In 2016, 36,000 Verizon workers went on strike for six weeks. One of the sticking points in contract negotiations between the union members and the company was the issue of jobs moving abroad. The Communications Workers of America said the company was hiding the extent of its offshoring and that workers in call centers in the Philippines were making just $1.78 an hour and were sometimes forced to work overtime without extra pay.

Oregon is a red state right? In 2015, Microsoft opened a new factory in Wilsonville, Oregon, where it planned to make its giant, touchscreen Surface Hub computers. The facility was supposed to herald a new era in domestic tech manufacturing. But in July 2017, the company announced it was closing the plant. More than 100 workers and contractors will lose their jobs when production shifts to China.

So your solution to companies sending jobs overseas for cheaper labor is to demand more money for the workers here in America?
You could teach a monkey to work an assembly line and yet you think they should be paid 40 bucks an hour.

That's right. And if they don't make it here, tariff they're fucking asses. You like it when Trump says this why not when I say it?

And I'm just pointing out that's what blue collar Americans made when we were in charge. And don't say the companies couldn't afford it. Take for example the year before Bush got into office and started sending all those great paying jobs overseas. Lets take a look back shall we?

FORD WORKERS GET RECORD PROFIT-SHARING CHECKS


Ford Motor Co. said Wednesday its salaried and hourly employees will receive a record $370 million in profit-sharing checks for 1986, or an average of about $2,100 each.

'99 Profit Sharing at Ford Averages $8,000

'99 Profit Sharing at Ford Averages $8,000

You stupid jealous mother fuckers. And now, somehow, you Republicans through Trump have conned these dumb ass blue collar workers into voting Republican. You're promising them you're going to bring back manufacturing jobs but you won't tell them that those jobs will no longer pay well.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

They should be so pissed they go out and get a real job!!!

If they could then those companies would be forced to pay better. But the truth is probably that those are the best jobs available. Back when I was growing up you could go get a good paying union job with a high school degree. Those jobs are gone. MAGA? We were great when a guy like my dad (high school drop out foreigner) could go to Ford, get paid great, great benefits, pension, a union to protect him from being fired. Unions built the biggest and best middle class the world has ever seen. You trickle down Republicans have never created a middle class like we did. Also add in the GI Bill, social security and medicare. WE created the time when America was great for the masses. America was great before the new deal but the middle class and poor struggled. After the New Deal and unions the middle class boomed. Of course the top 1% didn't like it and they took back all those gains starting in the late 60's.

Are Wages Rising or Flat?

To hear politicians tell it, wages are rising at the fastest rate in a decade, are the same as they were 45 years ago and are at a 60-year low. And all three claims could be correct, depending on what measure is used to justify it.

“There’s not necessarily one way [to look at wages] and that’s why you can get all the conflicting claims

The bottom line, as shown in the graph below from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, is that real wages over the long-term peaked in the early 1970s, before generally falling over the next few decades and then beginning to climb back up starting in the mid-1990s.

President Donald Trump said that “wages are rising at the fastest rate in a decade.”

During Obama’s last four years in office the average weekly earnings for production and nonsupervisory workers went up 4.9%. Over Obama’s entire two-term tenure, wages were up 4.2%.

Over President George W. Bush’s eight years in office, wages also increased by 4.2%, and under President Bill Clinton, they went up by 6.4%. Those figures are up 2.3% under Trump, 3.9% under Obama’s second term and 4% over his eight years in office.) HE WAS DEALING WITH THE GREAT RECESSION!!!

Now, let’s turn to Trump’s second claim: “Wages are rising at the fastest rate in many decades.” That’s not correct, but it’s close — it’s the fastest rate in about one decade, when looking at nominal hourly wages year-to-year.

Last fall, newspaper headlines touted this news. At the time the 12-month percentage change in nominal average hourly earnings for all workers and the rank-and-file topped 3% in August 2018 and has remained above 3% since, according to BLS. That’s the highest rate since it topped 3% in late 2008 and early 2009.

But this 3% nominal growth was significant. In recent years, as the economy recovered from the 2007-2009 Great Recession, economists have been bemoaning slower wage growth than would be expected as other measures, such as employment, improved. “Wage growth is definitively accelerating. Employers are now struggling to fill open positions and have no choice but to raise wages quickly.”

But 3% isn’t the fastest nominal rate “in many decades,” as Trump said. In fact, the 12-month growth topped 4% for most of 2007, 2001 and 1998. The current growth, Shambaugh said, is “still a little below … what you think a roaring economy might get you.” The growth is “good,” he said, but “not unprecedented, not historically great.”

There’s also support for the president’s claim that wages are “rising the fastest for the lowest income Americans.”

The EPI report, however, noted the sizable percentage gains at the upper percentiles over a longer period of time, such as since the Great Recession, and it found greater 2017-2018 gains among low-wage workers in states that had increased the minimum wage.

workers are getting a smaller share of the economic pie than they used to.”

If we want to know if wages are higher or lower than they used to be or how they’ve grown, we’d look at the inflation-adjusted figures, as we did above. It’s a reminder to voters that these talking points about wages can be more complicated than they appear, and they don’t always tell the whole story.

Yeah....unions were so great they drove the companies out of the northeastern US.

Knew a guy in Missouri making $189,000 a year with OT on the Ford assembly line.
Thats BULLSHIT!!!! And people wonder why car prices are so fucking high.

Of course they did you stupid fuck. They insisted the employees pay well.

And they didn't drive them out of the northeast you fucking idiots! If those jobs went to Kentucky instead of Mexico and China I would agree with you. But do you notice even those fucking rednecks in red states wanted too much? Notice the corporations didn't ship jobs to Arkansas? They bypassed the ignorant south and went to Mexico and China. And I remember in the 2000's you stupid fucks defended it. You said you liked the cheap prices. It took Trump to say what we were saying for you to wake up. OMG.

Why are Toyota's and Honda's so expensive? They're made in the south. I don't see much price difference do you?

Toyota Camry $25K
Fusion $24K

LOL....There were no car or truck manufacturers in the South,now there are a bunch of em. Wonder why........

You said hondas and Toyotas were so expensive yet there's only a thousand dollar difference between the Ford and the Toyota.

You keep contradicting yourself.
First you tell us car manufacturers didnt move south and then you talk about cars made in the south. So which is it?

What the fuck does this even mean?

"Of course they did you stupid fuck. They insisted the employees pay well."

Yes, they pay those southern workers a lot less. And there are a lot less Honda employees in the Honda plant than there are For

I know nothing about McDonalds. But, I owned a Midas franchise for 13 years. I ran my business 100%. Midas had nothing to do with it.

Mark

Well if Midas wasn't paying it's employees well and they were making a huge profit I would like to see the workers organize and force you to pay them better. But I get the feeling people who work at Midas don't require much pay and those franchises probably don't make very much.

According to Business Insider, the average McDonald's restaurant takes in around $2.7 million a year in sales. ... Some McDonald's franchise owners are naturally going to make more than others, but most franchise owners still pull in an estimated yearly profit of roughly $150,000

mcd franchises make yearly - Google Search

Ok, so after seeing this, I don't think McD workers should organize. If the owner is only making $150,000 a year they shouldn't be making more than $10 hr.


What about Walmart?

With fiscal year 2019 revenue of $514.4 billion, Walmart employs over 2.2 million associates worldwide.

Walmart had a total of 11,766 stores throughout the world as of 2019.

What I like about Walmart and McD employees organizing is that these companies can't send the jobs overseas like car companies did. That's how they broke the UAW. If they were allowed to ship jobs overseas without being tariffed. If only Trump was president back in the 2000's when Bush was letting 750,000 jobs a month go overseas and not a peep out of him. They loved it because those were high paying union jobs.

What about Walmart?

With fiscal year 2019 revenue of $514.4 billion, Walmart employs over 2.2 million associates worldwide.

Why does their revenue matter?

What I like about Walmart and McD employees organizing is that these companies can't send the jobs overseas like car companies did.

Right. If you raise their costs too much, they'll just go out of business.

No one said raise their costs TOO MUCH. What's TOO MUCH? Define that.

They're very profitable. They should share those profits with employees. Instead, a lot of Walmart employees are on foodstamps. Where do you think those employees spend their food stamps dollars? At Walmart. It's a brilliant business model if we allow it.

No one said raise their costs TOO MUCH. What's TOO MUCH?

$15 an hour to put a fry basket into the oil is too much.

They're very profitable. They should share those profits with employees.

Is that why you mentioned revenues instead of profits?

Instead, a lot of Walmart employees are on foodstamps.

If they weren't working at WalMart, would they get more foodstamps/welfare or less?

Then you don't understand what made America great. My dad, and all those blue collar auto workers weren't "worth" what they were being paid if you asked YOU TRUMP a Corporation or any Republican. We know this. So stop with the MAGA bullshit. You have no idea what made America great or why it's not great today.

It was great because of social security and medicare. Never before did middle class and poor people have it so good. You want to take these things again you assholes.

Unions made Michigan the greatest state to be in for decades. Of course Bush 1 invented NAFTA with the goal of shipping all those good paying jobs down south.

And now you're crying about paying $15? Well I'm sorry but my dad and none of those auto workers were worth what they were paid. But CEO's today aren't worth what they are paid. But who's to say? Today, the CEO says what everyone is paid. And the BOD. When America was great labor had a seat at the fucking table.

If America was not great in 2015 I doubt it's great for you today. For me, America was great again once Obama got us out of Bush's recession. And the 2000's were a horrible decade for manufacturing and America. The Clinton 8 years were great too.

Trump took over an already great economy. Trump said it wasn't good enough because Obama didn't have over 3% growth. Guess what Trump had after that Tax break he gave the rich? You would think that tax break would have sparked a golden age of economic growth but guess the fuck what he got for it last year? 2.3% growth.

Fucking idiots. But we all know all you idiots care about really is god gays guns and racism. Southern white poor racists and ignorant whites racists up north don't care that they'll never get to retire. Or if they care they'll blame democrats for the cuts. Idiots I tell you! MAGA my ficking ass.

Unions made Michigan the greatest state to be in for decades.

And then unions destroyed it.

And now you're crying about paying $15?

You're free to buy a McD's franchise and pay the low-skilled workers $15/hr and up.
Help them unionize.
And then post your fabulous profits.

Trump took over an already great economy.

1.6% GDP in 2016 was okay, not great.

 

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What about Walmart?

With fiscal year 2019 revenue of $514.4 billion, Walmart employs over 2.2 million associates worldwide.

Why does their revenue matter?

What I like about Walmart and McD employees organizing is that these companies can't send the jobs overseas like car companies did.

Right. If you raise their costs too much, they'll just go out of business.

No one said raise their costs TOO MUCH. What's TOO MUCH? Define that.

They're very profitable. They should share those profits with employees. Instead, a lot of Walmart employees are on foodstamps. Where do you think those employees spend their food stamps dollars? At Walmart. It's a brilliant business model if we allow it.

No one said raise their costs TOO MUCH. What's TOO MUCH?

$15 an hour to put a fry basket into the oil is too much.

They're very profitable. They should share those profits with employees.

Is that why you mentioned revenues instead of profits?

Instead, a lot of Walmart employees are on foodstamps.

If they weren't working at WalMart, would they get more foodstamps/welfare or less?

How much do the waltons make with no employees?

You should buy the company and raise salaries.

We are workers not business owners. What we should do is organize.

You never said if food stamp recipients would use more government benefits or less if they stopped working at WalMart.