He doesn't even wanna negotiate the debt ceiling.

The majority of what this president has racked up happened when the left controlled the senate and the house. The GOP couldn't do shit about it, not that they would have anyways. Bottom line is, these people are going to sink this country, and some people on here are all too willing to let that happen, keep voting them in, and when it's all said and done you wont have shit to your name.

The debt ceiling needs to be raised because of the spending of the most recent congress, not some past congress from two or three or four years ago.

Do you not understand how our government works?
 
Again...what is there to negotiate? The bills will either be paid or they won't.


Are you claiming, chump, that because something is budgeted for, the money is spent?

No, it may not be spent yet, but the President is LEGALLY REQUIRED TO SPEND IT if Congress passes it. He does not have a line-item veto nor the Constitutional power to refuse to spend it. His job is to execute the laws passed by Congress. That's why it's called the Executive Branch.

Do you know anything at all about how our government works? This is government 101 stuff.

Right. And the Congress can legally decide not to spend part of it in new legislation, which will be part and parcel of the debt ceiling legislation the POTUS will need sign.
 
Sorry Mr. President, congress controls the purse strings you fascist dictator. This is a man who goes on TV yelling that the GOP are the ones doing nothing, and here he is basically flaunting that he will not negotiate. Maybe those on the left on here will see this for what it is, the democrats in the senate and the president has been the ones doing absolutely nothing.
Obama demands debt ceiling hike, rejects negotiating cuts with GOP | Fox News


What is there to negotiate? The debt ceiling WILL be raised because it's required by law that the obligations CONGRESS PASSED MUST BE PAID.

This isn't about new spending. It's about paying the bills for spending already authorized.

We ALREADY HAVE THE $$ TO PAY THOSE DEBTS...

Enough comes in every month to cover those debts.
 
Sorry Mr. President, congress controls the purse strings you fascist dictator. This is a man who goes on TV yelling that the GOP are the ones doing nothing, and here he is basically flaunting that he will not negotiate. Maybe those on the left on here will see this for what it is, the democrats in the senate and the president has been the ones doing absolutely nothing.
Obama demands debt ceiling hike, rejects negotiating cuts with GOP | Fox News


What is there to negotiate? The debt ceiling WILL be raised because it's required by law that the obligations CONGRESS PASSED MUST BE PAID.

This isn't about new spending. It's about paying the bills for spending already authorized.

We ALREADY HAVE THE $$ TO PAY THOSE DEBTS...

Enough comes in every month to cover those debts.

Intellectually dishonest Leftist fucks want to pretend that because spending is planned, then the bills are already incurred.
 
Are you claiming, chump, that because something is budgeted for, the money is spent?

No, it may not be spent yet, but the President is LEGALLY REQUIRED TO SPEND IT if Congress passes it. He does not have a line-item veto nor the Constitutional power to refuse to spend it. His job is to execute the laws passed by Congress. That's why it's called the Executive Branch.

Do you know anything at all about how our government works? This is government 101 stuff.

Right. And the Congress can legally decide not to spend part of it in new legislation, which will be part and parcel of the debt ceiling legislation the POTUS will need sign.

The debts will be paid.
Obama knows this and is working the low info voters like an abusive pimp.
 
Are you claiming, chump, that because something is budgeted for, the money is spent?

No, it may not be spent yet, but the President is LEGALLY REQUIRED TO SPEND IT if Congress passes it. He does not have a line-item veto nor the Constitutional power to refuse to spend it. His job is to execute the laws passed by Congress. That's why it's called the Executive Branch.

Do you know anything at all about how our government works? This is government 101 stuff.

Right. And the Congress can legally decide not to spend part of it in new legislation, which will be part and parcel of the debt ceiling legislation the POTUS will need sign.

I suppose that would be technically true, but how stupid would it be for Congress to authorize spending, then UN-authorize it before the money is even spent? That would be worse than the so-called continuing resolutions which have passed for budget measures over the past 14 years, wouldn't it? Heck, I'm an old man and I've never heard of Congress wanting to do that. It would be like them saying, "Oops. We made a mistake. Let's take it back."

Now...ask yourself WHY the GOP wants to do that NOW and never have before? (Hint: It's got something to do with playing politics with our economic future and the fact that Obama's name can somehow be linked to the whole mess.)
 
Are you claiming, chump, that because something is budgeted for, the money is spent?

No, it may not be spent yet, but the President is LEGALLY REQUIRED TO SPEND IT if Congress passes it. He does not have a line-item veto nor the Constitutional power to refuse to spend it. His job is to execute the laws passed by Congress. That's why it's called the Executive Branch.

Do you know anything at all about how our government works? This is government 101 stuff.

Right. And the Congress can legally decide not to spend part of it in new legislation, which will be part and parcel of the debt ceiling legislation the POTUS will need sign.

You really have no idea what is going on.

Congress has appropriated the money, the debt ceiling is going to have to be raised, and everyone but you rubes for which this theater is being put on knows it.

The debt ceiling show is about FUTURE spending. Basically, the Republicans are saying they won't allow the debt ceiling to be raised to accommodate their past spending unless Obama agrees to future spending cuts.

Obama is not playing. He refuses to go along with the theater for the rubes like yourself who don't know how government really works. He's calling their bluff.

He is exposing their bogus poker chip and is forcing them to get real.
 
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What is there to negotiate? The debt ceiling WILL be raised because it's required by law that the obligations CONGRESS PASSED MUST BE PAID.

This isn't about new spending. It's about paying the bills for spending already authorized.

We ALREADY HAVE THE $$ TO PAY THOSE DEBTS...

Enough comes in every month to cover those debts.

Intellectually dishonest Leftist fucks want to pretend that because spending is planned, then the bills are already incurred.

Yep, but the idiots are blind worshipers.
 
No, it may not be spent yet, but the President is LEGALLY REQUIRED TO SPEND IT if Congress passes it. He does not have a line-item veto nor the Constitutional power to refuse to spend it. His job is to execute the laws passed by Congress. That's why it's called the Executive Branch.

Do you know anything at all about how our government works? This is government 101 stuff.

Right. And the Congress can legally decide not to spend part of it in new legislation, which will be part and parcel of the debt ceiling legislation the POTUS will need sign.

The debts will be paid.
Obama knows this and is working the low info voters like an abusive pimp.

Right, but 'Old Guy' is spewing the Obama goo that our'debts' included future planned spending, not just the real debt we actually have which is EASILY covered each month by our cash flow.
 
No, it may not be spent yet, but the President is LEGALLY REQUIRED TO SPEND IT if Congress passes it. He does not have a line-item veto nor the Constitutional power to refuse to spend it. His job is to execute the laws passed by Congress. That's why it's called the Executive Branch.

Do you know anything at all about how our government works? This is government 101 stuff.

Right. And the Congress can legally decide not to spend part of it in new legislation, which will be part and parcel of the debt ceiling legislation the POTUS will need sign.

I suppose that would be technically true, but how stupid would it be for Congress to authorize spending, then UN-authorize it before the money is even spent? That would be worse than the so-called continuing resolutions which have passed for budget measures over the past 14 years, wouldn't it? Heck, I'm an old man and I've never heard of Congress wanting to do that. It would be like them saying, "Oops. We made a mistake. Let's take it back."

Now...ask yourself WHY the GOP wants to do that NOW and never have before? (Hint: It's got something to do with playing politics with our economic future and the fact that Obama's name can somehow be linked to the whole mess.)

Well, it is of course extremely stupid, but this is what happens when the Senate leader works with the POTUS to intentionally destroy the budget process in America.
 
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Right. And the Congress can legally decide not to spend part of it in new legislation, which will be part and parcel of the debt ceiling legislation the POTUS will need sign.

The debts will be paid.
Obama knows this and is working the low info voters like an abusive pimp.

Right, but 'Old Guy' is spewing the Obama goo that our'debts' included future planned spending, not just the real debt we actually have which is EASILY covered each month by our cash flow.

It's interesting you say that. I bet you don't even know what our real debts are.

Not one penny of it is defense spending.

So, yeah. We could cover non-discretionary spending, just barely, with our revenues. No problem. Social Security, interest on the national debt, Medicaid, Medicare. All covered.

But everything else the government does would have to be shut down. National defense, postal service, federal courts, road building, highway maintenance, food inspection, warrantless wiretaps, Homeland Security, SEC, all the nooks and crannies. Shut down.

Go right ahead.
 
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Screwing up the economy because of blind ideology- holding the economy hostage over the debt ceiling has never happened before- when Reagan tripled the debt of W doubled it it was never a problem- and this is the W Great Recession. The gall and hypocisy of the GOP is amazing, like the gullibilityof the dupes.
Obama calling Bush unpatriotic for spending 4 trillion in 8 years and then turning around and spending over 6 trillion in four years is what's really amazing, add you guys turning a blind eye to your own presidents hypocrisy is icing on the cake.

W doubled the debt IN GOOD TIMES! Of course it was a fraud and a bubble that burst. 80% PLUS of Obama's debt are due to W's irresposible tax rates, stupid wars, and helping the victims of the Pub economic meltdown. Change the channel- you're getting Pure Pubcrappe, for dupes only.

Negotiate spending cuts with the Dems, separate from paying the bills and fecking up the recovery with BS. The Dems are ready for real negotiations and compromise..

In the past, you know, politicians passed pills on merit, not demanding cuts at the same time to grandstand for the ignorant, brainwashed dupes your big lie propaganda has produced...
 
Good grief. This is like trying to talk nuclear physics with 3 year olds. If this is representative of what Obama is getting from the Republican's, no WONDER he won't talk to them!

I'm outa this one. The amount of ignorance and misinformation in this thread is astounding and I don't have either the time nor the inclination to teach y'all how and why our government operates.
 
Good grief. This is like trying to talk nuclear physics with 3 year olds. If this is representative of what Obama is getting from the Republican's, no WONDER he won't talk to them!

I'm outa this one. The amount of ignorance and misinformation in this thread is astounding and I don't have either the time nor the inclination to teach y'all how and why our government operates.

Punt. pussy.


LOL
 
And of course there is every reason to believe that the rethugs will screw up any negotiation they enter into. If the fiscal cliff deal is any indication, the rethugs haven't got a chance of doing what they want.

WORST negotiaters EVER. Wait till the last possible moment, with no leverage, and think they are gonna get a good deal. How stupid are todays rethugs? Very stupid. Now they are gonna prove it again.
 
Sorry Mr. President, congress controls the purse strings you fascist dictator. This is a man who goes on TV yelling that the GOP are the ones doing nothing, and here he is basically flaunting that he will not negotiate. Maybe those on the left on here will see this for what it is, the democrats in the senate and the president has been the ones doing absolutely nothing.
Obama demands debt ceiling hike, rejects negotiating cuts with GOP | Fox News

Congress has already appropriated spending that requires the debt ceiling be raised.
If they fail to raise it they are simultaneously telling the executive branch they may - and may not - spend money. That is an ambiguous law. In the case of an ambiguous law, the person on whom the law applies may choose which of the two ambiguous clauses to follow.
 
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And of course there is every reason to believe that the rethugs will screw up any negotiation they enter into. If the fiscal cliff deal is any indication, the rethugs haven't got a chance of doing what they want.

WORST negotiaters EVER. Wait till the last possible moment, with no leverage, and think they are gonna get a good deal. How stupid are todays rethugs? Very stupid. Now they are gonna prove it again.

Thanks. we were wonder what the Section 8'ers thought about it.


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Since Congress controls the purse strings, maybe they should stop spending so much. It is their spending which exceeds revenues which causes the debt ceiling to rise.

The majority of what this president has racked up happened when the left controlled the senate and the house. The GOP couldn't do shit about it, not that they would have anyways. Bottom line is, these people are going to sink this country, and some people on here are all too willing to let that happen, keep voting them in, and when it's all said and done you wont have shit to your name.

Now that the House has been controlled by the GOP since January 2011, they have balanced the budget, right?

Not so much.........


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"Whatta we do, NOW??!!!
Dick Armey NEVER TOLD US, THAT!!!!!"
 
Sorry Mr. President, congress controls the purse strings you fascist dictator. This is a man who goes on TV yelling that the GOP are the ones doing nothing, and here he is basically flaunting that he will not negotiate. Maybe those on the left on here will see this for what it is, the democrats in the senate and the president has been the ones doing absolutely nothing.
Obama demands debt ceiling hike, rejects negotiating cuts with GOP | Fox News

Congress has already appropriated spending that requires the debt ceiling be raised.

Some of the spending will be unappropriated in the actual debt ceiling authorization bill which Obama will sign.

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Press hard. Third copy is his.


LOL
 
Military spending stats

In 1945, at the end of WWII, we spent $962.7 billion (in 1996 dollars).

I defy anyone to say our "War on Terror" even approaches the level of commitment we had in WWII.

By 1948, we had cut defense spending to $94.7 billion in 1996 dollars, which is about $135 billion in today's dollars.

The most we spent in any one year during the entire Cold War was $388 billion (1996 dollars) at the peak of the Vietnam war. Hell, during the Reagan build-up we didn't even spend near that much.


And yet, the 2011 budget request for Defense was $712 billion, which is $500 billion in 1996 dollars.


There simply is no justification for this. None.
 
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