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My own personal defintion of conservative differs from yours. I find my self more "conservative" in nature but do not identify with the "conservative" definition of the republican party, considering it is not "conservative" by it's nature.
I think our definitions of "conservative" and "liberal" have evolved into what we view politically rather than by what the actual words mean.
I guess it's possible that I'm not quite sure what the actual words mean. In my own mind, a liberal should also want less government involvement in their lives, considering one of the defintions of liberal is to not be bound by authoritarianism...(not saying our government is authoritarian, however, too much government involvement eventually leads to this).
You are allowing and accepting conservative's definition of liberalism. Liberals don't want government intrusion into people's lives, but they believe our founders created government to prevent other entities from intruding into our lives. The most likely attempts to steal your nest egg, your money or your home come in your mailbox or on your TV every day, these entities are not our government.
Possibly so, personally, I'm neither a fan of republicans nor democrats. They're both power hungry parties who are not a reflection of, nor "represent", the marjority of our society.
Why is their so much hate between conservatives and liberals?
Petulant children squabbling about things they don't really understand.
Most people become partisans because they're too fearful to become anything other than team players.
Yeah the hate is confusing to me seeing as how both sides essentially vote for all the same principles.
Both parties aren't going to do anything significant to welfare or social security.
Both parties were in favor of the War in Iraq, both were then in favor of getting out and both were in favor of escalating the War in Afghanistan.
Both are in favor of big spending bills whether it be TAARP or the stimulus.
Both aren't overly concerned about big spending or the national debt.
Both don't want marijuana legalized or gays to get married in terms of social issues.
My question is:
Why is their so much hate between conservatives and liberals?
Aside from the jackass idea that all conseratives are republicans and all liberals are democrats, why is there so much hate between the two on these threads?
I see numerous posts where people are attacking people simply by the assumption that they are conservative or liberals...(myself included.) I am guilty of similar accusations, however, I try not to attack someone strictly because they are either one. Sometimes a poster may make a retarded post, and then someone will post something about them just being a "stupid liberal", or a "consevative wingnut."
I understand that these two ideas (cons. and lib.) are conflicting by nature, however, why can we not just just accept that the two things are not only a cultural difference, but a personal preference...a right given to all of us by our constitution. I see too much in this country where one side wants to strip the other side of all their rights. I have no problem with debating issues rationally, but there's also this little thing called "classical conditioning." Most of us grew up believing certain things, and most of us still believe what we've believed for a long time. There are exceptions and small things that may change, but most of us believe what we belive not only because it may be the law, or true, but also because it's our personal preference. It's what makes us feel more comfortable. I meet people all the time who have different views, but we cant talk abou them rationally without hating each other.
Maybe I'm just venting here, but it seems like you can hardly post anything on these threads without having someone call you a conservative wingnut or a liberal wingnut. The generalizations are not only ignorant, but immature. I'm not intending this post to be an olive branch, but rather a discussion about WHY there is so much hate between the two views. Anyway, this will probably be a bust thread, but I thought it would be nice to get everyone's thoughts on this.
Why is their so much hate between conservatives and liberals?
Petulant children squabbling about things they don't really understand.
Most people become partisans because they're too fearful to become anything other than team players.
I think that is backwards, most people become Independents because they are too fearful to take a positon in which they will be critisized.
independent: a (1) : not subject to control by others : self-governing (2) : not affiliated with a larger controlling unit
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My question is:
Why is their so much hate between conservatives and liberals?
Aside from the jackass idea that all conseratives are republicans and all liberals are democrats, why is there so much hate between the two on these threads?
I see numerous posts where people are attacking people simply by the assumption that they are conservative or liberals...(myself included.) I am guilty of similar accusations, however, I try not to attack someone strictly because they are either one. Sometimes a poster may make a retarded post, and then someone will post something about them just being a "stupid liberal", or a "consevative wingnut."
I understand that these two ideas (cons. and lib.) are conflicting by nature, however, why can we not just just accept that the two things are not only a cultural difference, but a personal preference...a right given to all of us by our constitution. I see too much in this country where one side wants to strip the other side of all their rights. I have no problem with debating issues rationally, but there's also this little thing called "classical conditioning." Most of us grew up believing certain things, and most of us still believe what we've believed for a long time. There are exceptions and small things that may change, but most of us believe what we belive not only because it may be the law, or true, but also because it's our personal preference. It's what makes us feel more comfortable. I meet people all the time who have different views, but we cant talk abou them rationally without hating each other.
Maybe I'm just venting here, but it seems like you can hardly post anything on these threads without having someone call you a conservative wingnut or a liberal wingnut. The generalizations are not only ignorant, but immature. I'm not intending this post to be an olive branch, but rather a discussion about WHY there is so much hate between the two views. Anyway, this will probably be a bust thread, but I thought it would be nice to get everyone's thoughts on this.
There's nothing complicated about finding someone to blame for your woes.
Yeah the hate is confusing to me seeing as how both sides essentially vote for all the same principles.
Both parties aren't going to do anything significant to welfare or social security.
Both parties were in favor of the War in Iraq, both were then in favor of getting out and both were in favor of escalating the War in Afghanistan.
Both are in favor of big spending bills whether it be TAARP or the stimulus.
Both aren't overly concerned about big spending or the national debt.
Both don't want marijuana legalized or gays to get married in terms of social issues.MORE Absolutes.
These are supposed to make you sound like you KNOW what you're talkin'-about, right?
Yeah the hate is confusing to me seeing as how both sides essentially vote for all the same principles.
Both parties aren't going to do anything significant to welfare or social security.
Both parties were in favor of the War in Iraq, both were then in favor of getting out and both were in favor of escalating the War in Afghanistan.
Both are in favor of big spending bills whether it be TAARP or the stimulus.
Both aren't overly concerned about big spending or the national debt.
Both don't want marijuana legalized or gays to get married in terms of social issues.MORE Absolutes.
These are supposed to make you sound like you KNOW what you're talkin'-about, right?
I'm not claiming to be smarter than thou or anything, but those are facts according to numbers and budgets, it's not opinion.
There's been a lot of p-r work done to create an image for these parties. The Republican party tries to paint themselves as the more religious, patriotic, pro-soldier group. The Democratic party tries to paint themselves as the smarter, high brow, more open armed to different races and people of different sexual orientation. The reason why these p-r campaigns have so much effort put into them is because the facts prove this is all b-s, hence the need for the p-r.
My own personal defintion of conservative differs from yours. I find my self more "conservative" in nature but do not identify with the "conservative" definition of the republican party, considering it is not "conservative" by it's nature.
I think our definitions of "conservative" and "liberal" have evolved into what we view politically rather than by what the actual words mean.
I guess it's possible that I'm not quite sure what the actual words mean. In my own mind, a liberal should also want less government involvement in their lives, considering one of the defintions of liberal is to not be bound by authoritarianism...(not saying our government is authoritarian, however, too much government involvement eventually leads to this).
You are allowing and accepting conservative's definition of liberalism. Liberals don't want government intrusion into people's lives, but they believe our founders created government to prevent other entities from intruding into our lives. The most likely attempts to steal your nest egg, your money or your home come in your mailbox or on your TV every day, these entities are not our government.
Possibly so, personally, I'm neither a fan of republicans nor democrats. They're both power hungry parties who are not a reflection of, nor "represent", the marjority of our society. It seems to me that more liberals (associated with the Democratic party) start more government programs than the other. I'm not saying that either party is better or worse, however, it seems the democratic party does not represent "liberal" when it starts more programs to regulate what you do. I.E. Gun rights, social security, etc...
You are allowing and accepting conservative's definition of liberalism. Liberals don't want government intrusion into people's lives, but they believe our founders created government to prevent other entities from intruding into our lives. The most likely attempts to steal your nest egg, your money or your home come in your mailbox or on your TV every day, these entities are not our government.
Possibly so, personally, I'm neither a fan of republicans nor democrats. They're both power hungry parties who are not a reflection of, nor "represent", the marjority of our society. It seems to me that more liberals (associated with the Democratic party) start more government programs than the other. I'm not saying that either party is better or worse, however, it seems the democratic party does not represent "liberal" when it starts more programs to regulate what you do. I.E. Gun rights, social security, etc...
Both parties are responsible for the use of government, the difference is how and why. Democrats have been the authors and supporters of every major piece of legislation that has given freedom or security to some group of Americans...civil rights, Social Security, Medicare, even the latest GI Bill.
I've been around since Harry Truman was in the White House. I've lived through the liberal era that started with the New Deal and ended with the Great Society and the conservative era that started with Nixon & Reagan through today.
Democrats are accused of creating a 'Nanny State'...but Republicans HAVE built a 'Nanny State' that Stalin would be proud of.
The "mother" of all hate campaigns wasn't between LIBERALS and CONSERVATIVES, but within the GOP itself - during the 2000 REPUBLICAN PRIMARY in SOUTH CAROLINA.South CarolinaThe battle between Bush and McCain for South Carolina has entered American political lore as one of the nastiest, dirtiest, and most brutal ever. On the one hand, Bush switched his label for himself from "compassionate conservative" to "reformer with results", as part of trying to co-opt McCain's popular message of reform. On the other hand, a variety of business and interest groups that McCain had challenged in the past now pounded him with negative ads.
The day that a new poll showed McCain five points ahead in the state, Bush allied himself on stage with a marginal and controversial veterans activist named J. Thomas Burch, who accused McCain of having "abandoned the veterans" on POW/MIA and Agent Orange issues: "He came home from Vietnam and forgot us." Incensed, McCain ran ads accusing Bush of lying and comparing the governor to Bill Clinton, which Bush complained was "about as low a blow as you can give in a Republican primary."
An unidentified party began a semi-underground smear campaign against McCain, delivered by push polls, faxes, e-mails, flyers, audience plants, and the like. These claimed most famously that he had fathered a black child out of wedlock (the McCains' dark-skinned daughter Bridget was adopted from Bangladesh; this misrepresentation was thought to be an especially effective slur in a Deep South state where race was still central), but also that his wife Cindy was a drug addict, that he was a homosexual, and that he was a "Manchurian Candidate" traitor or mentally unstable from his North Vietnam POW days.
The Bush campaign strongly denied any involvement with these attacks; Bush said he would fire anyone who ran defamatory push polls. During a break in a debate, Bush put his hand on McCain's arm and reiterated that he had no involvement in the attacks; McCain replied, "Don't give me that shit. And take your hands off me."
Bush mobilized the state's evangelical voters, and leading conservative broadcaster Rush Limbaugh entered the fray supporting Bush and going on at length about how McCain was a favorite of liberal Democrats.
Polls swung in Bush's favor; by not accepting federal matching funds for his campaign, Bush was not limited in how much money he could spend on advertisements, while McCain was near his limit .....
McCain lost South Carolina on February 19, with 42 percent of the vote against Bush's 53 percent, allowing Bush to regain the momentum .....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain_presidential_campaign,_2000
Possibly so, personally, I'm neither a fan of republicans nor democrats. They're both power hungry parties who are not a reflection of, nor "represent", the marjority of our society. It seems to me that more liberals (associated with the Democratic party) start more government programs than the other. I'm not saying that either party is better or worse, however, it seems the democratic party does not represent "liberal" when it starts more programs to regulate what you do. I.E. Gun rights, social security, etc...
Both parties are responsible for the use of government, the difference is how and why. Democrats have been the authors and supporters of every major piece of legislation that has given freedom or security to some group of Americans...civil rights, Social Security, Medicare, even the latest GI Bill.
I've been around since Harry Truman was in the White House. I've lived through the liberal era that started with the New Deal and ended with the Great Society and the conservative era that started with Nixon & Reagan through today.
Democrats are accused of creating a 'Nanny State'...but Republicans HAVE built a 'Nanny State' that Stalin would be proud of.
So you're disgusted by the War on Drugs, yet hold zero accountability to the Democrats who have held office in the last 40 years since it's began and been increased annually?
Such is politics in America