Happy Hiroshima Day!

[Polishprince]

The point was to defeat the enemy and end the war with minimal casualties to ourselves. It succeeded.

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On the contrary, had fdr not ignored overtures for surrender long before, many thousands of American servicemen might not have been killed.

FDR died in April 1945, long before Okinawa, long before Hiroshima.

 

[Dick Foster]

Many saw it as necessary

Only those who haven’t bothered to study the event.

Studied it-still believe Truman was right.

No. He was terribly wrong. He is a war criminal who should have been hung.

Go hit the beach at IWO Jima and then talk-those guys did and they said drop the bomb!

Silly...it wasn’t necessary to take Iwo. Total waste of men and material, but Americans want to believe the fairytales.

You're as full of shit as a Christmas turkey. Iwo was necessary to procecute the air war againt Japan. A war they asked for, started , got and an end they richly deserved. Iwo was an emergency strip for damaged B29 bombers returning from Japan and an operational strip for P51 escort fighters to escort our bombers during their missions over Japan. Iwo helped end the war the way it needed to end.

 

[Unkotare]

The point was to defeat the enemy and end the war with minimal casualties to ourselves. It succeeded.

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On the contrary, had fdr not ignored overtures for surrender long before, many thousands of American servicemen might not have been killed.

FDR died in April 1945, long before Okinawa, long before Hiroshima.

That's right, but the son of a bitch was alive during the Yalta Conference. Just prior to that meeting, he received a 40-page report from MacArthur informing him of overtures to surrender on behalf of Japan that MacArthur had learned of. The scumbag fdr dismissed the very notion as not serving his political ends (and potentially robbing him of a chance to try out his new toy by killing hundreds of thousands of civilians in a manner opposed by many of the leading US military leaders of the day).

 

[gipper]

Only those who haven’t bothered to study the event.

Studied it-still believe Truman was right.

No. He was terribly wrong. He is a war criminal who should have been hung.

Go hit the beach at IWO Jima and then talk-those guys did and they said drop the bomb!

Silly...it wasn’t necessary to take Iwo. Total waste of men and material, but Americans want to believe the fairytales.

The airfields at Iwo Jima were needed for the scheduled invasion of Japan in 1946, that's why they defended Iwo Jima so tenuously.

Let me recommend the tremendous documentary "Sands of Iwo Jima" to bring you up to speed on this.

Japan certainly had a strange way of "wanting" to surrender, torpedoing the Indianapolis in shark filled waters just a week before Hiroshima.

LOL. Why did we need to invade, conquer,and occupy? No need at all, unless you are an imperialist. Iwo was a total waste. Entirely unnecessary, but it’s no use.

 

[Third Party]

Only those who haven’t bothered to study the event.

Studied it-still believe Truman was right.

No. He was terribly wrong. He is a war criminal who should have been hung.

Go hit the beach at IWO Jima and then talk-those guys did and they said drop the bomb!

Silly...it wasn’t necessary to take Iwo. Total waste of men and material, but Americans want to believe the fairytales.

You're as full of shit as a Christmas turkey. Iwo was necessary to procecute the air war againt Japan. A war they asked for, started , got and an end they richly deserved. Iwo was an emergency strip for damaged B29 bombers returning from Japan and an operational strip for P51 escort fighters to escort our bombers during their missions over Japan. Iwo helped end the war the way it needed to end.

I heard that airmen will still buy drinks for a marine because their sacrifices on Iwo Jima saved so many flyers with plane trouble.

 

[Third Party]

Studied it-still believe Truman was right.

No. He was terribly wrong. He is a war criminal who should have been hung.

Go hit the beach at IWO Jima and then talk-those guys did and they said drop the bomb!

Silly...it wasn’t necessary to take Iwo. Total waste of men and material, but Americans want to believe the fairytales.

The airfields at Iwo Jima were needed for the scheduled invasion of Japan in 1946, that's why they defended Iwo Jima so tenuously.

Let me recommend the tremendous documentary "Sands of Iwo Jima" to bring you up to speed on this.

Japan certainly had a strange way of "wanting" to surrender, torpedoing the Indianapolis in shark filled waters just a week before Hiroshima.

LOL. Why did we need to invade, conquer,and occupy? No need at all, unless you are an imperialist. Iwo was a total waste. Entirely unnecessary, but it’s no use.

Was the Dresden fire bombing needed? Killed more than Hiroshima. War is Hell-don't start it.

 

[gipper]

Only those who haven’t bothered to study the event.

Studied it-still believe Truman was right.

No. He was terribly wrong. He is a war criminal who should have been hung.

Go hit the beach at IWO Jima and then talk-those guys did and they said drop the bomb!

Silly...it wasn’t necessary to take Iwo. Total waste of men and material, but Americans want to believe the fairytales.

You're as full of shit as a Christmas turkey. Iwo was necessary to procecute the air war againt Japan. A war they asked for, started , got and an end they richly deserved. Iwo was an emergency strip for damaged B29 bombers returning from Japan and an operational strip for P51 escort fighters to escort our bombers during their missions over Japan. Iwo helped end the war the way it needed to end.

Of course you believe that.

Iwo was seldom used by US air forces. A couple crippled bombers landed there. Thousands of men died and were wounded for a couple bombers. Good job.

Japan’s air forces were nonexistent by mid 1944, other than a few kamikaze pilots. Our bombing crews often bombed the mainland entirely unmolested by Japanese fighters. They even went to daylight bombing, since there was no resistance.

 

[gipper]

No. He was terribly wrong. He is a war criminal who should have been hung.

Go hit the beach at IWO Jima and then talk-those guys did and they said drop the bomb!

Silly...it wasn’t necessary to take Iwo. Total waste of men and material, but Americans want to believe the fairytales.

The airfields at Iwo Jima were needed for the scheduled invasion of Japan in 1946, that's why they defended Iwo Jima so tenuously.

Let me recommend the tremendous documentary "Sands of Iwo Jima" to bring you up to speed on this.

Japan certainly had a strange way of "wanting" to surrender, torpedoing the Indianapolis in shark filled waters just a week before Hiroshima.

LOL. Why did we need to invade, conquer,and occupy? No need at all, unless you are an imperialist. Iwo was a total waste. Entirely unnecessary, but it’s no use.

Was the Dresden fire bombing needed? Killed more than Hiroshima. War is Hell-don't start it.

It was also a war crime. Yeah you start a war and we Americans will happily mass murder your women and children. CRAZY.

 

[Third Party]

Go hit the beach at IWO Jima and then talk-those guys did and they said drop the bomb!

Silly...it wasn’t necessary to take Iwo. Total waste of men and material, but Americans want to believe the fairytales.

The airfields at Iwo Jima were needed for the scheduled invasion of Japan in 1946, that's why they defended Iwo Jima so tenuously.

Let me recommend the tremendous documentary "Sands of Iwo Jima" to bring you up to speed on this.

Japan certainly had a strange way of "wanting" to surrender, torpedoing the Indianapolis in shark filled waters just a week before Hiroshima.

LOL. Why did we need to invade, conquer,and occupy? No need at all, unless you are an imperialist. Iwo was a total waste. Entirely unnecessary, but it’s no use.

Was the Dresden fire bombing needed? Killed more than Hiroshima. War is Hell-don't start it.

It was also a war crime. Yeah you start a war and we Americans will happily mass murder your women and children. CRAZY.

Wish it were different, but WE weren't there.

 

[Polishprince]

Studied it-still believe Truman was right.

No. He was terribly wrong. He is a war criminal who should have been hung.

Go hit the beach at IWO Jima and then talk-those guys did and they said drop the bomb!

Silly...it wasn’t necessary to take Iwo. Total waste of men and material, but Americans want to believe the fairytales.

You're as full of shit as a Christmas turkey. Iwo was necessary to procecute the air war againt Japan. A war they asked for, started , got and an end they richly deserved. Iwo was an emergency strip for damaged B29 bombers returning from Japan and an operational strip for P51 escort fighters to escort our bombers during their missions over Japan. Iwo helped end the war the way it needed to end.

Of course you believe that.

Iwo was seldom used by US air forces. A couple crippled bombers landed there. Thousands of men died and were wounded for a couple bombers. Good job.

Japan’s air forces were nonexistent by mid 1944, other than a few kamikaze pilots. Our bombing crews often bombed the mainland entirely unmolested by Japanese fighters. They even went to daylight bombing, since there was no resistance.

If Iwo Jima was so insignificant, why did the Japanese put up such resistance there?

Might as well have just evacuated the island against such an overwhelming invasion force which included Marine Sgt. John Stryker as portrayed by John Wayne.

 

[gipper]

Silly...it wasn’t necessary to take Iwo. Total waste of men and material, but Americans want to believe the fairytales.

The airfields at Iwo Jima were needed for the scheduled invasion of Japan in 1946, that's why they defended Iwo Jima so tenuously.

Let me recommend the tremendous documentary "Sands of Iwo Jima" to bring you up to speed on this.

Japan certainly had a strange way of "wanting" to surrender, torpedoing the Indianapolis in shark filled waters just a week before Hiroshima.

LOL. Why did we need to invade, conquer,and occupy? No need at all, unless you are an imperialist. Iwo was a total waste. Entirely unnecessary, but it’s no use.

Was the Dresden fire bombing needed? Killed more than Hiroshima. War is Hell-don't start it.

It was also a war crime. Yeah you start a war and we Americans will happily mass murder your women and children. CRAZY.

Wish it were different, but WE weren't there.

That’s right, but that in no way excuses Truman for mass murdering defenseless women and children. It was a war crime then and since. Numerous officials in the government and military said the A bombings were unnecessary, somehow that never got into the public school textbooks.

 

[gipper]

No. He was terribly wrong. He is a war criminal who should have been hung.

Go hit the beach at IWO Jima and then talk-those guys did and they said drop the bomb!

Silly...it wasn’t necessary to take Iwo. Total waste of men and material, but Americans want to believe the fairytales.

You're as full of shit as a Christmas turkey. Iwo was necessary to procecute the air war againt Japan. A war they asked for, started , got and an end they richly deserved. Iwo was an emergency strip for damaged B29 bombers returning from Japan and an operational strip for P51 escort fighters to escort our bombers during their missions over Japan. Iwo helped end the war the way it needed to end.

Of course you believe that.

Iwo was seldom used by US air forces. A couple crippled bombers landed there. Thousands of men died and were wounded for a couple bombers. Good job.

Japan’s air forces were nonexistent by mid 1944, other than a few kamikaze pilots. Our bombing crews often bombed the mainland entirely unmolested by Japanese fighters. They even went to daylight bombing, since there was no resistance.

If Iwo Jima was so insignificant, why did the Japanese put up such resistance there?

Might as well have just evacuated the island against such an overwhelming invasion force which included Marine Sgt. John Stryker as portrayed by John Wayne.

They were protecting their country. They thought. War is always dumb and useless.

 

[Third Party]

The airfields at Iwo Jima were needed for the scheduled invasion of Japan in 1946, that's why they defended Iwo Jima so tenuously.

Let me recommend the tremendous documentary "Sands of Iwo Jima" to bring you up to speed on this.

Japan certainly had a strange way of "wanting" to surrender, torpedoing the Indianapolis in shark filled waters just a week before Hiroshima.

LOL. Why did we need to invade, conquer,and occupy? No need at all, unless you are an imperialist. Iwo was a total waste. Entirely unnecessary, but it’s no use.

Was the Dresden fire bombing needed? Killed more than Hiroshima. War is Hell-don't start it.

It was also a war crime. Yeah you start a war and we Americans will happily mass murder your women and children. CRAZY.

Wish it were different, but WE weren't there.

That’s right, but that in no way excuses Truman for mass murdering defenseless women and children. It was a war crime then and since. Numerous officials in the government and military said the A bombings were unnecessary, somehow that never got into the public school textbooks.

Everybody has an opinion including you. The ones I heard from the military then were one million American casualties at least and even more Japanese dead. A bombs were needed. Saved lives on both sides.

 

[Polishprince]

LOL. Why did we need to invade, conquer,and occupy? No need at all, unless you are an imperialist. Iwo was a total waste. Entirely unnecessary, but it’s no use.

Was the Dresden fire bombing needed? Killed more than Hiroshima. War is Hell-don't start it.

It was also a war crime. Yeah you start a war and we Americans will happily mass murder your women and children. CRAZY.

Wish it were different, but WE weren't there.

That’s right, but that in no way excuses Truman for mass murdering defenseless women and children. It was a war crime then and since. Numerous officials in the government and military said the A bombings were unnecessary, somehow that never got into the public school textbooks.

Everybody has an opinion including you. The ones I heard from the military then were one million American casualties at least and even more Japanese dead. A bombs were needed. Saved lives on both sides.

Another factor is that the Soviet Union under Uncle Joe Stalin was looking to get involved in the war against Japan as well.

The possibility of a Soviet occupation of at least part of the Japanese archipelago could have cost millions of more lives too.

Concluding WWII and getting the Japanese signature on the surrender document saved a huge amount of grief for everyone.

 

[Unkotare]

LOL. Why did we need to invade, conquer,and occupy? No need at all, unless you are an imperialist. Iwo was a total waste. Entirely unnecessary, but it’s no use.

Was the Dresden fire bombing needed? Killed more than Hiroshima. War is Hell-don't start it.

It was also a war crime. Yeah you start a war and we Americans will happily mass murder your women and children. CRAZY.

Wish it were different, but WE weren't there.

That’s right, but that in no way excuses Truman for mass murdering defenseless women and children. It was a war crime then and since. Numerous officials in the government and military said the A bombings were unnecessary, somehow that never got into the public school textbooks.

Everybody has an opinion including you. The ones I heard from the military then were one million American casualties at least and even more Japanese dead. A bombs were needed. Saved lives on both sides.

Military leaders of that day came out in opposition to such barbarity. Our enemies at the time certainly acted in barbaric ways during the war, but America is better than that.

 

[Dan Stubbs]

A day that shall live in infamy.

Shame.

Mass murder of defenseless women and children, is nothing short of the most heinous thing a nation can do.

It was quick and no pain.

 

[gipper]

LOL. Why did we need to invade, conquer,and occupy? No need at all, unless you are an imperialist. Iwo was a total waste. Entirely unnecessary, but it’s no use.

Was the Dresden fire bombing needed? Killed more than Hiroshima. War is Hell-don't start it.

It was also a war crime. Yeah you start a war and we Americans will happily mass murder your women and children. CRAZY.

Wish it were different, but WE weren't there.

That’s right, but that in no way excuses Truman for mass murdering defenseless women and children. It was a war crime then and since. Numerous officials in the government and military said the A bombings were unnecessary, somehow that never got into the public school textbooks.

Everybody has an opinion including you. The ones I heard from the military then were one million American casualties at least and even more Japanese dead. A bombs were needed. Saved lives on both sides.

That was Truman’s big lie that he used after he committed his war crime, in an effort to justify it. If this is news to you, please realize you haven’t studied the event.

Here is what we didn’t learn in grade school.
Harry Truman and the Atomic Bomb | Ralph Raico

Thus, the rationale for the atomic bombings has come to rest on a single colossal fabrication, which has gained surprising currency — that they were necessary in order to save a half-million or more American lives. These, supposedly, are the lives that would have been lost in the planned invasion of Kyushu in December, then in the all-out invasion of Honshu the next year, if that had been needed. But the worst-case scenario for a full-scale invasion of the Japanese home islands was forty-six thousand American lives lost.7 The ridiculously inflated figure of a half-million for the potential death toll — nearly twice the total of US dead in all theaters in the Second World War — is now routinely repeated in high-school and college textbooks and bandied about by ignorant commentators. Unsurprisingly the prize for sheer fatuousness on this score goes to President George H.W. Bush, who claimed in 1991 that dropping the bomb "spared millions of American lives."8

"The rationale for the atomic bombings has come to rest on a single colossal fabrication — that they were necessary in order to save a half-million or more American lives."

Still, Truman's multiple deceptions and self-deceptions are understandable, considering the horror he unleashed. It is equally understandable that the US occupation authorities censored reports from the shattered cities and did not permit films and photographs of the thousands of corpses and the frightfully mutilated survivors to reach the public.9 Otherwise, Americans — and the rest of the world — might have drawn disturbing comparisons to scenes then coming to light from the Nazi concentration camps.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Anyone who doesn't celebrate is a commie and a homophobic bigot

Enola was gay ...DERRRR

 

[gipper]

Anyone who doesn't celebrate is a commie and a homophobic bigot

Enola was gay ...DERRRR

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Best not to face the truth of the terrible immorality of mass murdering civilians.

It is said those who live by the sword perish by the sword.


Don’t Whitewash the Hiroshima Bombing
American foreign policy thus proceeded under a grim calculus that parses acts of violence to conclude some are morally justified simply based on who holds the knife, with much of the history of the next 70 some years a series of immoral acts allegedly servicing, albeit destructively and imperfectly, the moral imperative of saving lives by killing. America’s decisions on war, torture, rendition, and indefinite detention could be explained in character as the distasteful but necessary actions of fundamentally good people against fundamentally evil ones. Hiroshima set in motion a sweeping, national generalization that if we do it, it is right.

And with that, boom! The steps away from August 6 and the shock-and-awe horrors inside the rubble of Mosul are merely a matter of degree. The drone deaths of children at a wedding party are unfortunate collateral damage in service to the goal of defeating global terrorism. Same as the 3,100 civilians killed from the air since the U.S. launched its coalition war against the Islamic State, along with 3,674civilians destroyed by drone strikes in other parts of the world.

We are, in fact, able to think we are practically doing the people of Afghanistan (Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Libya, Somalia…) a favor by killing some of them, as we believe we did for tens of thousands of Japanese that might have been lost in a land invasion of their home islands had Hiroshima not be killed for their prospective sins. There is little discussion because debate is largely unnecessary; the myth of Hiroshima says expediency wipes away concerns over morality. And with that neatly tucked away in our conscience, all that is left is pondering where to righteously strike next.

America’s deliberate targeting of civilians, and its post-facto justifications, are clearly not unique, either in World War II, or in the wars before or since. Other nations, including Japan itself, added their own horror to the books, mostly without remorse. But history’s only use of nuclear weapons holds a significant place in infamy, especially on this August 6. America’s lack of introspection over one of the single most destructive days in the history of human warfare continues, with 21st-century consequences.
Don’t Whitewash the Hiroshima Bombing

 

[mikegriffith1]

The nuking of Hiroshima is one of the biggest and most shameful stains on our history. We did not need to nuke Hiroshima. Truman knew at least two weeks before he ordered the atomic bomb dropped on the city that the Japanese wanted to surrender and that their only real condition was that the emperor not be deposed.

https://miketgriffith.com/files/immoraluse.pdf