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    I've had some time today to reflect on my religion ( I'm a Roman Catholic ) and the problems of today. I don't know a lot about Islam but I do know that both the Christian and Islamic faith are born from the Jewish religion. It is time for a true Islamic cleric and Jewish Rabbih ( sorry for spelling ) to come forth like the Pope to condem all this violence and hatred in the name of God. We are all worshiping the sam supreme being we just believe in different messengers. If God came back today those political Islamic clerics would be scurrying for the caves of Torra Bora. I guess I'm just a dreamer.
     
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    I'm all for world peace. I'm also for me winning the lottery.

    The confusion arises thusly: it's not religion. It's race. Jews, Christians and Muslims are representatives of different racial groups. That's intractable. Nothin' you can do. But recognize this reality and deal with it.
     
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    :wtf: :cuckoo:

    Is all I can say
     
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    Actually, not true.

    The islamic faith originates from a pagan moon-god worshipping cult. It makes its claims using a lineage REFERENCING Biblical persons, but so do other cults.

    The Christian faith is not Jewish in origin either. The Old Testament may have been held by Jews, but Gentiles are holding a faith created by God from the creation of Adam. Gentiles would believe in a relationship with Christ being our salvation. This was in effect since Adam was first created. Complete Jewish faith came about later by way of tradition. In fact, some Jews focus ONLY on traditional ritualistic practices and forget the faith altogether. Some gentile cults do this too- like catholics who pray to the dead and ritualistically involve rosaries.

    You could call Christianity as encompassing Jewish faith but only when Jewish faith includes the relationship since some that don't encompass mysticism.

    I agree. He is called the antichrist. Ever heard of him? Revelation shows him to be a rather important figure.

    -Which proves you have no belief in catholocism as you claim. Catholics do not believe this. Muslims do not believe this. Christians do not believe this. Which cult are you a part of?

    Actually it is the Jews that will be scurrying into another batch of caves. You really SHOULD read revelation. It gives you the blueprint for your hopes.
     
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    >First of all who are you to tell me that I'm not a Catholic. I'm a church going Catholic that actually taught religion for a year. Trust me I'm Catholic. BTW I'm Cuban and Irish, its not like I had a choice in the matter. <:D

    Catholics believe in the Holy Trinity. We believed that Jesus was the manifestation of God on Earth. He was the father, son and holy ghost.

    >The islamic faith originates from a pagan moon-god worshipping cult. It makes its claims using a lineage REFERENCING Biblical persons, but so do other cults.<

    Like I stated my knowledge of Islam is limited and I do know they were worshiping the Ka'ba long before muhammad. But Gabriel the exact angel mentioned in the bible visited Muhammad and they reconginize that Jesus was a prohphet.

    >The Christian faith is not Jewish in origin either. The Old Testament may have been held by Jews, but Gentiles are holding a faith created by God from the creation of Adam. Gentiles would believe in a relationship with Christ being our salvation. This was in effect since Adam was first created. Complete Jewish faith came about later by way of tradition. In fact, some Jews focus ONLY on traditional ritualistic practices and forget the faith altogether. Some gentile cults do this too- like catholics who pray to the dead and ritualistically involve rosaries.<

    How can you say the Christian faith didn't come from the Jewish faith? Jesus was a Jew. I will reframe from getting into a finger pointing Jihad here but please remember that the Catholic church was the first Christian church. So all these Christian churches are based on what you have called a cult.
     
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    I think most people are o.k. with the other religeons,except for the radical Muslims. Most people don't feel the need to blow people up because they don't believe in the same religeous ideals. Granted,there are radicals in every religeons,but most don't take it as far as these radicals and start WW3.
     
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    Obviously, I am someone who knows your own faith better than you. Catholocism does not teach that there is any god other than Christ as you just admitted, yet you claim that all religions believe in the SAME god. This is contradictory. If catholocism is taught to you, you are taught that IT -THROUGH THE CHURCH- is the only real way to salvation and the ONLY god is the God of the Bible.

    -If you were Catholic, you would know that. Teaching religion for a year, especially.

    Ummmmm. Yeah. -Again you prove my point. If you believe this, you cannot believe the other faiths are valid as scripture would dictate.

    They CLAIM Jesus was a prohet and reference Gabriel, but that does not make the koran scripture. I can claim that God talks to me, but if I muder thousands, and claim God told me to do it, does that make it so? It needs to be tried against scripture as scripture demands. The koran does not line up with or even simulate any form of Biblical teachings. There isn't even any prophecy in it to prove devine origin.

    As a teacher of religion and being a catholic, you should know what your own Bible says on how to treat other false gods.

    How can Isay that? I read the Bible which apparently you don't. Interesting you default to the catholic church being the first church. If that were true, then Christ's followers would not have existed, as THEY were the first church. We could get into catholocisms false teachings and so forth, but you are really using this as a diversionary tactic to avoid the point I made. If you think all faiths came from Jewish faith, and the catholic church was the first church, then you do not believe catholic teachings that Jews are not saved.

    By your cliam, catholocism is either valid and sprang up by its self or the Jews are catholics and had church before your claim of catholics first forming a church. Either way you don't have any sense of what you believe and catholocism disagrees withyou so you cannot possibly be catholic.
     
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    >Obviously, I am someone who knows your own faith better than you. Catholocism does not teach that there is any god other than Christ as you just admitted, yet you claim that all religions believe in the SAME god. This is contradictory. If catholocism is taught to you, you are taught that IT -THROUGH THE CHURCH- is the only real way to salvation and the ONLY god is the God of the Bible.

    -If you were Catholic, you would know that. Teaching religion for a year, especially.<

    I'm a Catholic and I'm sorry to tell you you are wrong. Catholics believe that Jesus was the manifestation of God on Earth. It is part of the "Holy Trinity" that is the core of Catholic faith. When we take the host during mass it is suppose to be the actual body of Christ.


    >Ummmmm. Yeah. -Again you prove my point. If you believe this, you cannot believe the other faiths are valid as scripture would dictate.<

    Your problem is you keep refering to the Bible which is a big difference between protestant and Catholic faith. Catholics rely much more on tradition then the Bible. In theory and this isn't taught in the Church but the Jews, Musilums and Christains are worshiping the same God. I asked my priest this question when I was teaching CCD because kids often asked if a good Hindu or Buddist would make it to heavan. The priest told me that they would enter the gates of heavan.




    >They CLAIM Jesus was a prohet and reference Gabriel, but that does not make the koran scripture. I can claim that God talks to me, but if I muder thousands, and claim God told me to do it, does that make it so? It needs to be tried against scripture as scripture demands. The koran does not line up with or even simulate any form of Biblical teachings. There isn't even any prophecy in it to prove devine origin.

    As a teacher of religion and being a catholic, you should know what your own Bible says on how to treat other false gods.<

    Like I said my knowledge of Islam is limited but if you pickup any world history textbook you will see they attribute the Jewish faith the beginnings of Christanity and later Islam. A prohet is simply a messanger of God. Thus Islam acknowledges Jesus as a messenger but the messiah. As far as worshiping false gods if Muhommad, Jesus and Mosses were prohets of God then we are not worshiping false gods but the same God.


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    How can you say the Christian faith didn't come from the Jewish faith? Jesus was a Jew. I will reframe from getting into a finger pointing Jihad here but please remember that the Catholic church was the first Christian church. So all these Christian churches are based on what you have called a cult.
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    >How can Isay that? I read the Bible which apparently you don't. Interesting you default to the catholic church being the first church. If that were true, then Christ's followers would not have existed, as THEY were the first church. We could get into catholocisms false teachings and so forth, but you are really using this as a diversionary tactic to avoid the point I made. If you think all faiths came from Jewish faith, and the catholic church was the first church, then you do not believe catholic teachings that Jews are not saved.<

    Okay now we are getting into a religious war. I really don't care what you believe that is your right. You have some basic misunderstandings of the Catholic Church and its traditions. I'm not saying your beliefs are wrong nor am I trying to convert you. If you are a good Christain, Muslium, Buddist, Hindu etc. then you are a good person and that's good enough for me.

    >By your cliam, catholocism is either valid and sprang up by its self or the Jews are catholics and had church before your claim of catholics first forming a church. Either way you don't have any sense of what you believe and catholocism disagrees withyou so you cannot possibly be catholic.<

    Okay I can't let that go without a response. Fact one, Jesus was a Jew. Fact two, the apostles of Jesus start the first first christan church the Catholic Church. Fact three, the Catholic Church splits over the issue of idols into the Orthodox and Roman Catholic church. Fact four, the Roman Catholic church splits during the Protestant Reformation led by Martin Luther. That is the start of the Protestant churches. Pickup a World History textbook and you will see that chronological order of the Christain faith. Again if you don't believe this that is fine with me. This is my beliefs. I don't like being called a liar. I'm a Catholic.:confused:
     
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    Now you are lost in your own original point. You tell me I am wrong on your statement and then prove my point for me. Do you even remember the point?

    Which is going against scripture in the first place.
    Ok. So it isn't taught, and isn't in the Bible. That makes it your own created fiction and proves my entire point once again.

    We could stop right here.
    By that account, the church and all of its cultic rituals of pennance and so forth need not exist. I guess you have no need for Mary anymore.

    That is your problem. You give the works of man more weight than the works of God. That is the only way to prove your self-created fiction.

    No, actually they SPEAK the WORD of God as well.. -hence the word "prophecy".
    You just said you didn't know much about the Islam. You now make up evidence to prove your point that isn't even IN the koran. You ought to read it before making up evidence to prove your point. At least it would be SEMI-believable.

    Yeah. If I wrote a story about these prophets,and made up my own dialog, that makes MY book the word of God spoken by those three also right? Gimme a break!

    No, you are just finally entering something for which you have some semblance of evidence for supporting your point.

    Ummm. I can bring your own catholic written documentation to the table. Can you?

    Again, in complete defiance of Biblical text, the word of God, and the pope. -(As if he even mattered).

    Yep.
    If you want to define church that way, then yes. However, followers of christ and faith and salvation existed prior, hence the undermining of the claimed necessity of catholocism.
    Making the authority of the church invalid.
    Define faith and define church. By your definition of church, and anyones definition of faith, they are not the same. Christian faith existed when God created Adam. By your admission, the catholic church existed after Jesus appeared. Make up your mind. -Which way do you want it?
    Then don't lie.
     
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    Vaya con dios. I have no use to get into a religious flame with you. Believe what you want.
     

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